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Promoted Pawn posted:I'd love to see Modern without fetches and shocks myself. I know you're not serious (are you?) but this would be terrible.
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Feb 22, 2014 21:46
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Errata out all mana-producing abilities on nonbasics, errata all basics to have Landcycling 2. 
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Feb 22, 2014 21:47
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Promoted Pawn posted:I'd love to see Modern without fetches and shocks myself. Go watch standard with mono color decks and two color decks with bad mana hacking away at each other. This is what you want modern to be like?
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Feb 22, 2014 21:53
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jassi007 posted:Go watch standard with mono color decks and two color decks with bad mana hacking away at each other. This is what you want modern to be like? You're right. Just ban fetches.
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Feb 22, 2014 22:00
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or just reprint fetches in every core set and never print non-basics with basic land types ever again.
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Feb 22, 2014 22:06
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I don't understand all the hate on modern mana bases...
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Feb 22, 2014 22:08
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Mortimer posted:or just reprint fetches in every core set and never print non-basics with basic land types ever again. One of those sounds awful and the other sounds like what's already happening.
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Feb 22, 2014 22:09
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Mortimer posted:or just reprint fetches in every core set and never print non-basics with basic land types ever again. i agree, all shocklands as well as the shadowmoor utility lands should be added to the reserved list 
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Feb 22, 2014 22:10
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Korak posted:Dish gurl dish. I've only played him once and he was a total jackass; he came into the store expecting to roll FNM, got paired against me round 1, made fun of everything about my deck (a Simic Delver build during Gatecrash), lost 2-0, dropped and told me I should be more embarrassed to be playing the deck than he was to lose to it. He also got DQed from an SCG Classic last summer for bribery and briefly had a six-month suspension (which would have kept him out of the PT), but he appealed the suspension and won.
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Feb 22, 2014 22:17
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Err correction for tomorrow: McLaren(WUr) v. Rivera(UWR Twin) Seibold(Robots) v. Dickmann(TarmoTwin) Lee(Blue Moon) v. Alkio(RU Twin or All-in Twin) Wilson(MeliraPod) v. Fennell(Storm) Storm made top eight... Ban Rituals! Also whats up with WotC employees calling Affinity by the lesser used name of Robots?
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Feb 22, 2014 23:04
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Korak posted:Also whats up with WotC employees calling Affinity by the lesser used name of Robots? There is no actual card in the modern deck with the affinity keyword. So calling it affinity is a bit silly.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:07
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Korak posted:Err correction for tomorrow: It's something they tried to make stick in their coverage style guide, presumably because the word 'affinity' has a negative connotation (and they make the argument that the modern Affinity deck doesn't always run any Affinity cards, as if Frogmite and Myr Enforcer were the linchpins of that deck). Modern Affinity usually does run Thoughtcast, though.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:08
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MrBling posted:There is no actual card in the modern deck with the affinity keyword. So calling it affinity is a bit silly. They don't even run Thoughtcast? I thought it was kind of essential, from what I know Affinity doesn't have almost any draw mechanism.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:11
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ScarletBrother posted:I don't understand all the hate on modern mana bases... They are expensive. That's a lot of people's dislike. Fetches also feed goyfs, were feeding drs, and other strategies that a good subset of people dislike. Some people also just like 1 and 2 color decks and want to play in an environment that rewards that instead of the greedier mana bases modern allows. I personally and fine with them, but a reprint is necessary to keep the format growing and healthy.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:14
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Expense aside (and that the cost must be significantly reduced is something that nobody aside from a few nutcases disagrees with on principle), I don't have much problem with greedy mana bases being a possibility that's out there to reach for if you want, but I also dislike there being no tension whatsoever about doing so. I feel like Modern as it is has swung a little bit too far towards the greedy land base always being the preferable option unless you're on a budget, so I'm happy to see Blood Moon being a thing. at whoever said two-color Standard mana bases are terrible, though.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:27
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MrBling posted:There is no actual card in the modern deck with the affinity keyword. So calling it affinity is a bit silly. Thoughtcast.
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Feb 22, 2014 23:58
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jassi007 posted:Go watch standard with mono color decks and two color decks with bad mana hacking away at each other. This is what you want modern to be like? Yeah, because there totally arent any ways to fix your mana in Modern aside from fetches and shocks... Not that I think banning both would be a good idea, but come on. There are fastlands, painlands, filterlands, checklands, trilands, vivids + reflecting pool, bouncelands, 5 color lands like city of brass, gemstone mine etc, the future sight cycle, and more. If people can't build 3-5 color decks with those, that's probably their own issue.
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Feb 23, 2014 00:17
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The thing is, all those lands have drawbacks that really do, in greater or smaller measure, affect the variance of your deck. Granted, the biggest thing is that lands coming in tapped is basically death for a lot of archetypes, and that's the easiest and most common drawback to mana-fixers. While you do occasionally see these other options, fetches and shocks are really the simplest and easiest way to go. Now, why Amulet decks don't make use of tri-lands is anyone's guess, but yeah.
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Feb 23, 2014 00:49
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Veyrall posted:The thing is, all those lands have drawbacks that really do, in greater or smaller measure, affect the variance of your deck. Granted, the biggest thing is that lands coming in tapped is basically death for a lot of archetypes, and that's the easiest and most common drawback to mana-fixers. While you do occasionally see these other options, fetches and shocks are really the simplest and easiest way to go. Because it's really a combo deck, and whilst the tri-lands interact favourably with Amulet, they don't let you go Amulet into T2 Summer Bloom, drop and bounce Karoo for 6 mana, play Prime Time. (Turn 1 if you have a Simian Spirit Guide)
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Feb 23, 2014 01:03
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I totally agree that fetch land prices are crazy and that they need a reprint, but a format without them would just have more variance and be less exciting.
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Feb 23, 2014 01:15
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I just started playing around with forge, got my deck added and played a few games vs. AI. Somehow I managed to disable all of my UI elements in the layout and have no idea how to get them back. Is there someone who is familiar with Forge that can help me figure out what I futzed up?
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Feb 23, 2014 01:27
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frameset posted:Thoughtcast. That's all well and good, but that's not a reason to have an inaccurate name. "Do you remember that deck with the Stoneforges and Squadron Hawks? It was really good!" "Oh, you mean Man-Lands?"
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Feb 23, 2014 01:52
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"Remember that deck with Past in Flames and Empty the Warrens?" "Oh, you mean Ad Nauseam Tendrils?"
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Feb 23, 2014 01:55
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Nemico posted:That's all well and good, but that's not a reason to have an inaccurate name. Yeah I know and why don't Standard Naya decks have any cards from Alara block in them Sometimes names are retained through multiple iterations of a deck, or arise by analogy to past decks.
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Feb 23, 2014 01:57
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That's a bit of a poor comparison for a few reasons, but the affinity-name thing is an odd sticking point that a few people have (not necessarily here)
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Feb 23, 2014 02:08
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The difference here is that Robots is an awesome name. Like what's cooler: "I have an affinity for things!" "I have loving robots that will murder you!"
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Feb 23, 2014 02:10
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MMD3 posted:I just started playing around with forge, got my deck added and played a few games vs. AI. Yeah that happened to me. Preferences > Reset Match layout Also Cephalid Breakfast doesn't run Cephalid anymore if you want examples of inaccurate deck names.
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Feb 23, 2014 02:23
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people still call GB Rock. No Rock, no & His Millions.
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Feb 23, 2014 02:29
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Mortimer posted:Yeah that happened to me. Preferences > Reset Match layout That's why it's called Breakfast Burrito now. Plus it's just a better name.
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Feb 23, 2014 02:29
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The difference here is that Robots is an awesome name. Like what's cooler: Even though that may be true, I'd rather use the name Androids instead of Robots for an Affinity deck. EDIT: Even Cyborgs would work if you use Master of Etherium instead of Etched Champion.
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Feb 23, 2014 02:56
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Let's compromise and call it Modular since that's an artifact ability that's still in the deck. Or, The Mod Squad.
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Feb 23, 2014 03:09
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Molybdenum posted:people still call GB Rock. No Rock, no & His Millions. Of all of the Ten Ravnica guilds, I fondly remember Rock the most.
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Feb 23, 2014 03:15
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JerryLee posted:Let's compromise and call it Modular since that's an artifact ability that's still in the deck. Let's go back in time and get the original Affinity deck renamed 'Why the gently caress did Wizards print Skullclamp, artifact lands, Cranial Plating, or Arcbound Ravager. What is wrong with you idiots no I am NOT ranting I named the deck this specifically for this deck tech yes including that last part and also this one'
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Feb 23, 2014 03:20
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It's come up before, but Modern Affinity evolved from Mirrodin-block (pre-bannings) Affinity and retained the name. Plus the "affinity-count", whilst not used as a keyword, is relevant to Cranial Plating. Edit: But Robots, Droids and Metalcraft are all fine. Or we could try borrowing a team name from Transformers. Terracons or Predacons or something. BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 03:24
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If a creature comes in to play can another creature that player owns cause that just played creature to tap. If I play a wizard can I immediately tap it using Azami, Lady of Scrolls?
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Feb 23, 2014 03:30
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OssiansFolly posted:If a creature comes in to play can another creature that player owns cause that just played creature to tap. Yeah, summoning sickness only affects activated abilities with the tap symbol on that card itself, it doesn't make them untappable. That's how the elf combo engine works - Heritage Druid lets you tap elves for mana the turn they come down.
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Feb 23, 2014 03:34
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I've never seen an Elvish Mystic slam for so much damage before. I don't even think I've dropped enough instants/sorceries for primeval bounty to do that.  Edit: No Kioras today. Good. Let them fall. I'll show you all
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Feb 23, 2014 04:00
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OssiansFolly posted:If a creature comes in to play can another creature that player owns cause that just played creature to tap. Because the cost on her ability uses the word "tap", then it doesn't care if the thing you are tapping is summoning sick. Costs that use the tap symbol do care. Note that this allows you to tap her to herself to draw a card the turn she comes down.
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Feb 23, 2014 04:43
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Veyrall posted:The thing is, all those lands have drawbacks that really do, in greater or smaller measure, affect the variance of your deck. Granted, the biggest thing is that lands coming in tapped is basically death for a lot of archetypes, and that's the easiest and most common drawback to mana-fixers. While you do occasionally see these other options, fetches and shocks are really the simplest and easiest way to go. Because you can't cast a T1 amulet off them.
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Chris Van Meter goes 9-0 after a 0-1-1 start to probably make top 8 at the SCG St Louis Open. Not bad.
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