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The finale of S1 is when it became clear how dumb the show was and that it was all going to be downhill from there. Well, that and the opening of Season 2. Maybe they can make something good if they just abandon all baggage. Also do not have time travel or power absorbing people. greatn fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 14:30
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greatn posted:The finale of S1 is when it became clear how dumb the show was and that it was all going to be downhill from there. Heroes was an awesome one-season show.  If they had left it like that I think it would hold up a lot better. As a self-contained arc it worked. I only watched maybe half of the second season but it was obvious that the rails were coming off even then. I can't imagine what later seasons must have been like.
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Feb 23, 2014 14:42
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greatn posted:The finale of S1 is when it became clear how dumb the show was and that it was all going to be downhill from there. Hiro was the only good part. Masi Oka should have been the new Dr. Who.
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Feb 23, 2014 14:48
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jscolon2.0 posted:Hiro was the only good part. Masi Oka should have been the new Dr. Who. NISSAN VERRRRSA
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Feb 23, 2014 14:51
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WarLocke posted:Heroes was an awesome one-season show. Yeah, it probably would've turned out better if they had stuck to the original plan of an anthology with a different cast for each season.
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Feb 23, 2014 14:54
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jscolon2.0 posted:Hiro was the only good part. Masi Oka should have been the new Dr. Who. Ahem, I believe you mean Hiro and Ando. Best superhero buddy duo this side of Luke Cage & Iron Fist/Rockslide & Anole.
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Feb 23, 2014 14:56
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404GoonNotFound posted:Ahem, I believe you mean Hiro and Ando. Best superhero buddy duo this side of Luke Cage & Iron Fist/Rockslide & Anole. Every good Doctor needs a good companion.
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Feb 23, 2014 15:03
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greatn posted:The finale of S1 is when it became clear how dumb the show was and that it was all going to be downhill from there. Company Man was so loving good though. It's one of my favorite episodes of any TV Show.
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Feb 23, 2014 15:03
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I stopped watching half way through season 1. Did they ever advance the plot?
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Feb 23, 2014 15:44
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SaintFu posted:I stopped watching half way through season 1. Did they ever advance the plot? If by "advance the plot" you mean "used a dartboard of bad Claremont-era comic plot devices", then yes. Mystery plague, "normal" team member takes a body morphing drug, multiple mutually exclusive dark futures, supervillain jailbreak.... hell, in the final season it got so bad they went full Stan Lee and introduced an evil circus troupe. It didn't even fall under "so bad it's good", it was just poo poo.
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Feb 23, 2014 15:50
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Waterhaul posted:Really? I love Fuller but dude couldn't save the last time it had gone completely down the drain. Best doctor in the world can't raise the dead. And there was still a marked improvement when he came back, it was just too deeply terrible at that point.
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Feb 23, 2014 15:52
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Waterhaul posted:Jesus wept I remember an interview from him after he finished his second run and he tried to put a good face on it, but said the writers pretty much split up into different camps on how the show should be and which characters should be featured and it was pretty much a mess. Also apparently people want Claire to return? No. No one should want that.
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Feb 23, 2014 17:37
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Well for better or for worse, Heroes Reborn is only 13 episodes and is being billed as a miniseries. So it is either going to be plotted decently and be watchable, or it is going to fail spectacularly. I wonder if they pitched the idea to be more like the original concept. Each "season" would be with different characters on their own arcs. Would be pretty easy to do if you kept the seasons really short.
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Feb 23, 2014 18:27
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Given the "success" of American Horror Story, I'd imagine higher ups are more open to the idea of Anthology series, new characters each season, etc. Than they were the first time this show aired. And I personally hope they don't bring back any past cast or characters.
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Weren't Hannibal and Under The Dome initially billed as miniseries? This will only end in tears and more undiscovered Pitrellis. e: Not calling Hannibal poo poo, just pointing out the precedent. 404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 18:40
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There is also True Detective being the hottest premium drama at the moment and it is an anthology series too. I wish Fuller will have some involvement in this, his "style murders substance" approach and general silliness works amazingly well in Hannibal. Doing another Lost rip-off in this day and age (even if Heroes was one of the mildly bearable ones) is idiotic. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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sleepingbuddha posted:Yeah, it probably would've turned out better if they had stuck to the original plan of an anthology with a different cast for each season. Yeah, that could have been pretty great. Part of what was good about Season 1 was Peter and Hiro learning to use their powers; once they had control they were too powerful to easily build interesting plots around, so they either had to have those characters behave like idiots or have random excuses for why they don't have their full powers/full control anymore. A new set of characters each season coming to terms with their powers, or just a set of characters with less overwhelming power sets, could have worked better long term.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Weren't Hannibal and Under The Dome initially billed as miniseries? This will only end in tears and more undiscovered Pitrellis. "Miniseries" is the official new code word for "we have no faith in this show and it will probably not get another season". I guess it looks better to shareholders who don't know anything about what they are investing in when they see a miniseries come and go in 10 episodes as opposed to something being billed a big development sinking in the same amount of time.
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Feb 23, 2014 19:13
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404GoonNotFound posted:Ahem, I believe you mean Hiro and Ando. Best superhero buddy duo this side of Luke Cage & Iron Fist/Rockslide & Anole. But this is completely true - I remember in season three (or possibly two) with the african man who paints the future, the scene was so much fun it could almost redeem the series. Hiro and Ando were amazing. I still feel betrayed we didn't get Hiro and his dinosaur hunting adventures they teased in season 1.
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Feb 23, 2014 22:54
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They also gave Ando superpowers which completely ruined his character.
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Feb 23, 2014 22:56
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Fishylungs posted:Also apparently people want Claire to return? No. No one should want that. I remember when Heroes was first airing (and especially those scenes where Claire would just jump off of that water tower repeatedly, or the one where she cut off a toe just because) thinking that it would be awesome to see a regenerating character treated as how hosed up it would actually be. I mean, she heals, but it still hurts right? So I was expecting something darker like her taking on dudes and just letting them shoot her up, then stand up once they're out of ammo, or even some sort of weird superhero self-cutting thing. But no, we got 'the guy who eats brains for new powers can't be allowed to get regeneration or he will literally be unkillable' how unique a plot. 
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Feb 23, 2014 23:15
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But then he doesn't actually eat brains because we don't want his legions of fangirls to hurt us.
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404GoonNotFound posted:But then he doesn't actually eat brains because we don't want his legions of fangirls to hurt us. And fanboys. As bad as Heroes was, it did give us Zachary Quinto, so I can't entirely hate it.
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Feb 23, 2014 23:25
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Make Sylar the main character and turn it into SuperDexter
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An annoying thing about the show was how they had multiple times where Sylar got redeemed but every single time they just turned him evil again.
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Feb 23, 2014 23:37
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TV in general, and superhero shows in particular, should be more willing to end stories and write off characters who's arc is done. Comics has that problem too, but it tends to get spread out over multiple series, not coming up year after year in the same series.
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Feb 24, 2014 00:15
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muscles like this? posted:They also gave Ando superpowers which completely ruined his character. Which gave us the Andocycle, which was great. Also, didn't he lose his sidekickesque powers pretty quickly?
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Feb 24, 2014 07:58
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muscles like this? posted:An annoying thing about the show was how they had multiple times where Sylar got redeemed but every single time they just turned him evil again. StumblyWumbly posted:TV in general, and superhero shows in particular, should be more willing to end stories and write off characters who's arc is done. Yeah basically the issue was they were treating him like a comic book character who had been around for two decades when in reality he was only around for 4 years.
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WarLocke posted:I remember when Heroes was first airing (and especially those scenes where Claire would just jump off of that water tower repeatedly, or the one where she cut off a toe just because) thinking that it would be awesome to see a regenerating character treated as how hosed up it would actually be. I mean, she heals, but it still hurts right? So I was expecting something darker like her taking on dudes and just letting them shoot her up, then stand up once they're out of ammo, or even some sort of weird superhero self-cutting thing. But no, we got 'the guy who eats brains for new powers can't be allowed to get regeneration or he will literally be unkillable' how unique a plot. Even when he wasn't a problem, at one point she was all "run ahead and I'll stop them", the villain breaks in, "I'm Claire Bennet!" then she jumps out the loving window.
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muscles like this? posted:An annoying thing about the show was how they had multiple times where Sylar got redeemed but every single time they just turned him evil again. That was due to him being the breakout star of the show, and they refused to get rid of him. They should have killed him off since he is a serial killer.
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Feb 24, 2014 15:58
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bobkatt013 posted:That was due to him being the breakout star of the show, and they refused to get rid of him. They should have killed him off since he is a serial killer. There was that couple of episode stretch where he turned good because he and Peter were stuck together for like 20 subjective years and they talked it out.
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Yeah, the original Sylar redemption arc was good and made sense. I would have rather they kept him as an anti-hero. Kept his motivation intact - he kills to steal powers, but have him only going after villains. Heck, what they should have done was had Peter do the heel turn and become the big bad rather than having Sylar relapse. Would have even made sense - his empathy powers caused him to see things the way Sylar saw them.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:11
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Medullah posted:Yeah, the original Sylar redemption arc was good and made sense. I would have rather they kept him as an anti-hero. Kept his motivation intact - he kills to steal powers, but have him only going after villains. That was another huge problem with heroes, they were all overpowered as gently caress. If they kept powers sort of small with huge threats being overpowered and therefore they all had to team up to stop them. However, nope they make most of the main characters stupidly powerful. I mean Peter and Sylar were as powerful or more powerful as Silver Age Superman. poo poo now I wish Peter was able to shoot out tiny Peters of his hands to help him.
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bobkatt013 posted:That was another huge problem with heroes, they were all overpowered as gently caress. If they kept powers sort of small with huge threats being overpowered and therefore they all had to team up to stop them. However, nope they make most of the main characters stupidly powerful. I mean Peter and Sylar were as powerful or more powerful as Silver Age Superman. poo poo now I wish Peter was able to shoot out tiny Peters of his hands to help him. They were more powerful than the budget of the show would allow, which lead to that awesome showdown that went on entirely behind closed doors. Man, that loving show. I'd like to think that TV in general has progressed so much since it first aired, so they couldn't possibly bungle it again, but fuuuuuuck.
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bobkatt013 posted:That was another huge problem with heroes, they were all overpowered as gently caress. If they kept powers sort of small with huge threats being overpowered and therefore they all had to team up to stop them. However, nope they make most of the main characters stupidly powerful. I mean Peter and Sylar were as powerful or more powerful as Silver Age Superman. poo poo now I wish Peter was able to shoot out tiny Peters of his hands to help him. That was all a symptom of the fact that the characters weren't supposed to stick around and that they were going to change up the cast every season.
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muscles like this? posted:That was all a symptom of the fact that the characters weren't supposed to stick around and that they were going to change up the cast every season. Yeah, but midseason they should have known that it was not going to happen, and find a way to get the powers to a more managable level.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:46
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I think Season 1 was the best, and aside from missing that badass Peter vs Sylar fight we were all waiting for, it really was a nice self-contained story. Everything was downhill after that.
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Feb 24, 2014 17:12
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The only things I remember liking about the later seasons were Hiro & Ando antics (sneaking up on the African painter, George Takei's psychic video tapes) and John Glover being generally awesome in his 2 or so appearances. e: Oh, and that speedster who nearly all the fans loved... and who was almost immediately killed.
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muscles like this? posted:That was all a symptom of the fact that the characters weren't supposed to stick around and that they were going to change up the cast every season. Heroes went downhill when they didn't follow through and have Sylar kill Claire at the their first confrontation at the school.
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