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TraderStav posted:My question to this is But to what end? What narrative purpose does breaking the fourth wall serve aside from 'oooh look I broke the fourth wall'? How would doing so serve to the underlying thesis of the show of being a True DetectiveUnironically interested in answers to that. Just paraphrasing, but the general idea is that it explains all the circular, cyclical references, that they are literally on a flat DVD that can be popped in a player at any time. They will repeat it endlessly, Reggie LeDoux will always be there ready to die because he knows it's just going to keep happening, their lives are a dream with monster at the end, etc. There are a few things that kind of jive with it like the weird green screen driving last episode, as if it's deteriorating into more obvious signs of being fake. I read it a few days ago and I can't remember where I was, like a Gawker type site I think. Otherwise I'd link to it. I dismissed it in my head but now I want to read it again so I was wondering if anyone else caught that.
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hepscat posted:Ugh, I read someone's theory in a comment on some other site and now I kind of wish I didn't because I don't want it to bear out and I'd rather not be thinking in those terms. It expands on the moment where Marty says something to the bartender, who is actually the writer on the show - I'll spoiler the rest for a moment so please skip unless that sounds like something you'd like to explore further - that was a moment of breaking the fourth wall and then he goes on to break down all of Rust's philosophical narrative as breaking the fourth wall as well; i.e., Rust Cohle is a fictional character realizing he is in a fictional story. Did anyone else see this theory and have any thoughts on it? How exactly would it be realized in the narrative? Cohle could look into the camera and fly away like in the Matrix (<====this would be loving sick btw). That ain't gonna happen. The breaking of the fourth wall is the show itself recognizing that Cohle is spouting bullshit, not that Cohle realizes he's in a TV show.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:The new murder was similar in ways that were not released to the press so any copycat killer would have to have inside information or be the original killer Well, poo poo. Here we go. I'm about to enter the abyss then.
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hepscat posted:Ugh, I read someone's theory in a comment on some other site and now I kind of wish I didn't because I don't want it to bear out and I'd rather not be thinking in those terms. It expands on the moment where Marty says something to the bartender, who is actually the writer on the show - I'll spoiler the rest for a moment so please skip unless that sounds like something you'd like to explore further - that was a moment of breaking the fourth wall and then he goes on to break down all of Rust's philosophical narrative as breaking the fourth wall as well; i.e., Rust Cohle is a fictional character realizing he is in a fictional story. Did anyone else see this theory and have any thoughts on it? The show is a commentary on pulp detective narratives, hence the title, which is the exact name of one of the first pulp detective magazines, True Detective (I linked to it up-thread). I see it in similar terms to Twin Peaks, which was a commentary on soap operas and serialized TV drama. In Twin Peaks there's a lot of winking at the camera, but most obviously with the show-within-a-show Invitation to Love, which often has scenes that directly parallel what's happening in the larger plot. I don't think that there's going to be a twist at the end where Rust taps on the screen, or the shot pulls back and shows that they're on a studio lot. At least if Pizzolato is to be believed, it's going to be a relatively straight story. However, due to the nature of the show, the writing has a lot of clever little tricks that play with the audience, like Pizzolato being the bartender who Marty talks to. That being said, I would be impressed if they did commit to totally breaking the 4th wall. I don't know if that would be satisfying, or a total cop-out, but it would be interesting to see. Also, is this the article you're talking about? http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/true-detective-precap-a-million-yellow-kings-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin/
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Art Alexakis posted:How exactly would it be realized in the narrative? Cohle could look into the camera and fly away like in the Matrix (<====this would be loving sick btw). That ain't gonna happen. The breaking of the fourth wall is the show itself recognizing that Cohle is spouting bullshit, not that Cohle realizes he's in a TV show. Okay, dumb as this is I'm going to spend tonight's whole episode waiting for Cohle to just look around, take a big long drag from a cigarette, chuckle softly to himself, and just spread his arms and float away. The last shot is just Cohle, floating up, up, over the refinery, up into the sky, over the whole world, which is a flat circle, and then it's a spiral, and Cohle's just flying himself away from all of that. 
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Feb 24, 2014 02:50
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Every movie/tv show ever is a prequel to the matrix.
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I found it, it was on io9.com http://io9.com/true-detective-takes-us-to-the-void-at-the-center-of-me-1524756707 and it's the comment by RawheddRexx. I really prefer this to be a straight narrative with nothing meta about it. sector_corrector posted:Also, is this the article you're talking about? hepscat fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Chantilly Say posted:Okay, dumb as this is I'm going to spend tonight's whole episode waiting for Cohle to just look around, take a big long drag from a cigarette, chuckle softly to himself, and just spread his arms and float away. The last shot is just Cohle, floating up, up, over the refinery, up into the sky, over the whole world, which is a flat circle, and then it's a spiral, and Cohle's just flying himself away from all of that. HAha,that kind of magic realism would be awesome, just (almost) out of nowhere. But yeah, I doubt this show is going to end with Stephen King popping in in the last ten minutes and going 'you see, it was about writing a tv show that I made, and the characters are me, Stephen! But now here I am, to tell you it's a show that I wrote and am now in! I was the killer all along ps I want to be Italo Calvino.'
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As luck would have it I finally stopped procrastinating and binged the previous episodes on demand finishing up just in time. Looking forward to catchin up on theories live   no tie
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Feb 24, 2014 03:01
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Aww. Cole has such a senstive tummy. Violence sickens him 
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Feb 24, 2014 03:08
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If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:23
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Matthew McConaughey has come a long way from that movie with Jennifer Lopez.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:28
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^^ Yeah I moved "Mud" up in my dvd queue. Poor girl could really benefit from EMDR.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:28
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muscles like this? posted:If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself. That is legitimately one of the coldest things I've ever heard someone say In a movie or tv show.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:31
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I cannot imagine a more effortlessly languid way to flip someone off.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:32
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Yellow tie = yellow king. Obviously.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:42
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Every major character in this show is incredibly hosed up. edit: True Detective S01 E07 "We're getting the band back together" Makarov_ fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 03:51
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Michelle Monaghan, making sweet lemonade out of some boring-rear end lemons.
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Feb 24, 2014 03:54
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Pretty neat trick making me sympathize with someone who spent the opening 5 minutes crippling kids for having sex with a consenting partner.
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Feb 24, 2014 04:05
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That episode loving sucked
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steakmancer posted:That episode loving sucked Yeah I kind of agree. I guess you can't hit all home runs.
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I feel like that was one of the slower episodes. It cleared up the Rust/Marty rift but not much else.
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I disagree on principle, but aside from that it's a set-up for the action in the final act.
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That was my partner's response, but I think it was just the beginning of the final act. They had to bring in Tuttle at some point, and I'm certain we'll see more of how he died and the like.
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Feb 24, 2014 04:08
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This felt like a bridge episode to the last two episodes. Next episode looks like it's gonna ramp up.
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Great episode. Loved the bunny ranch T-Mobile chick being a conduit to Marty's undoing. As well as Rust's, if you think about it.
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Not sure how the walking dead thread gets 250 posts and this one gets 5. steakmancer posted:That episode loving sucked I disagree, thought the episode was great. Built on the drama of the relationships and filled in some blank spots of the narrative.
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tomapot posted:Not sure how the walking dead thread gets 250 posts and this one gets 5. Usually has a lot more bitching.
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tomapot posted:Not sure how the walking dead thread gets 250 posts and this one gets 5. Too busy watching to post.
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I liked it. Maggie having revenge sex with Rust and telling him, "Thank you but sorry," made me laugh out loud.
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I started laughing hysterically when they had their schoolyard brawl complete with the circle of cops cheering them on. Also the lingering shot on the broken taillight was funny. I kind of want to know if Rust didn't get that thing fixed for ten years for sentimental reasons or because he just didn't give a gently caress. Also I guess it's been a running theme for a while but I liked how they hammered away at the fact that Marty is a really terrible person this episode.
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pixelbaron posted:This felt like a bridge episode to the last two episodes. Agreed. It was a little disappointing compared to the excellence of 4 and 5 but it felt like it was necessary to build for what comes. This episode almost felt like a detailing of exactly how poo poo the True Detective world is to its people. Almost like a test to see if Rust and Marty are capable of standing up against such unrelenting misery. This ending will be great.
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I guess it was a down payment after all.
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This episode was worth it for the "you should kill yourself" line. My loving lord.
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Certainly didn't feel slow to me. Actual detective work was done, old characters were brought back to tie threads or implicate other characters, we see the character's at their lowest, and we get a setup for the finale. There wasn't a scene I felt was out of place or killing time.The Puppy Bowl posted:Pretty neat trick making me sympathize with someone who spent the opening 5 minutes crippling kids for having sex with a consenting partner. State and Federal law disagree with you. Marty beat up legal adults for having sex with a child who couldn't legally consent. Still a douche move on Marty's end although I certainly don't sympathize with his rear end whooping. From Rust and Maggie.
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Even if it was a little slow the shows still worth it for the acting and the athmosphere.
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^^^ It was a good episode, just more inline with 1-3 then 4-5. al-azad posted:Certainly didn't feel slow to me. Actual detective work was done, old characters were brought back to tie threads or implicate other characters, we see the character's at their lowest, and we get a setup for the finale. There wasn't a scene I felt was out of place or killing time. I dunno man, a beating with some blackjack gloves isn't something you just walk off. I don't hate Marty he just seems sort of weak. Today characterized it perfectly with the way that age has eroded his resolve. He doesn't seem to attempt to be a good man like he once had, he just fucks the girl in the rear end and then slurps up some pasta, going with the carnal flow.
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tomapot posted:Built on the drama of the relationships and filled in some blank spots of the narrative. I guess maybe that is why it was so disappointing in that it didn't really introduce anything new and just filled in some gaps that we already knew existed. We already knew that Maggie and Marty got divorced, and that Marty and Rust have a big falling out, but both gaps were full of soap opera kind of stuff rather than anything relevant to the case. In fact, I don't really think there is much to analyze in this episode. The Tuttle stuff was probably the most substantive and there's still not a lot there except he got upset when Rust asked about the deacon who was tied to some nude pictures of children and that some of their files were conveniently flooded. Also I guess for those of you keeping track with the "Marty is one of the killers" theory, he was violent with 4 people this episode alone.
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I thought it was a great episode. We've learned exactly what Cohle is investigating, who he suspects, why he quit his job, and why he had the falling out with Marty. There's another reference to the man with the scars on his face. But all that notwithstanding, the episode was great because of one line: "The newspapers are gonna be tough on you. And prison is very... very hard on people who hurt kids. If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself." Cohled MisterFusion fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Also I guess for those of you keeping track with the "Marty is one of the killers" theory, he was violent with 4 people this episode alone. Okay, thanks for justifying this to yourself again. Is the promo for episode seven online yet?
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