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Sham bam bamina! posted:That was already posted. Same as how every idea that will ever exist has already been imagined. Really, you've just proven the guy's point. Aw, spit. Serves me right for skipping a few pages.
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Fast Eddie of all loving people posted:Mods, you are being too delicate. What we need to make clear here is that we're not interested in seeing any more misogynist, chauvinist bullshit anywhere on the site. He's finally learning?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:He's finally learning? He's fairly consistent about that, actually. It's just that he barely ever gets involved in direct moderation, so vast amounts of precisely that tend to pass unnoticed beneath his nose.
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quote:Bouncing off the "no such thing as originality" claim, I'd like to point out that "Genre Fiction" (Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Horror, Westerns, Film Noir...) are just collections of tropes that are mixed, matched, arranged, and (sometimes) thrown out. Kinda like a cooking recipe. As someone who actually writes genre fiction, this is about as accurate as saying that cars are just collections of wheels. gently caress this guy, in other words.
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Feb 23, 2014 23:53
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have the official mascot for the troper furries group
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crowfeathers posted:have the official mascot for the troper furries group
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeyTheWonderDog Tropey The Wonder Dog! Howya doin' boy? Whoosagoodboy? That's right, you are! What's that, Tropey? We're here to talk about something? Oh, we're here to talk about tropes that use a metaphorical dog like yourself? And Timmy's fallen in the well? You want us to bury him with rocks? Sounds like a good idea to me! Good boy!
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I always enjoy watching Fast Eddie's sledgehammer approach to moderation on the site. If he doesn't like something, he hits it harder than Thor's Hammer.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I always enjoy watching Fast Eddie's sledgehammer approach to moderation on the site. If he doesn't like something, he hits it harder than Thor's Hammer. Not always. Remember that time Google threatened to pull ads because the site was full of pedophiles, and Fast Eddie's response was to set up a committee chaired by a furry to read as much pedoshit as they could find and perhaps in the fullness of time debate its artistic merit? He did put the fear of god in Lolita and the Grapes of Wrath, I guess.
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crowfeathers posted:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeyTheWonderDog Why would they use the famous picture of Laika? Now I'm all bummed out. 
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Little Blackfly posted:Why would they use the famous picture of Laika? Now I'm all bummed out. Don't watch Space Dandy then, they just did an episode on Laika, like, literally last night.
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There's a Doctor Who radio drama where Laika comes back super-intelligent and decides to KILL ALL HUMANS! It's pretty great.
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Little Blackfly posted:Why would they use the famous picture of Laika? Now I'm all bummed out. Genius Bonus  Genius Bonus posted:Eminem reeferences lots of popular culture, such as movies, celebrities, comic books etc. (the man did a video where he and Dr. Dre were Batman and Robin) Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Eminem and Dr. Dre dressed as Batman and Robin, two obscure nobodies only hardcore tropers have heard of.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Go on. I've...read some good fanfiction that started on the Spacebattles forums? Is there really anything else to say there?
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Say which fanfics these were and provide links plz.
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I wish TVtropes put out more fiction. 
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a terrible person posted:It's extremely common in the Homestuck fandom to write universes where SBURB/SGRUB never existed. This means that, in all those universes, the characters were not created by paradox-cloning of their ancestors but by natural reproduction. This also means that, in every universe where the game didn't happen but the troll characters exist normally, Sollux is the very likely the Child by Rape of the Psiioniic and the Condesce. Think about it — she's had him enslaved and immobile for thousands of years, she's demonstrated a romantic interest in him, and he had no known love interests with which to reproduce. And it's not like she'd be above that... In Hivefled, Sollux isn't, but he has a late half-sister who was. Also, Karkat's family line is the product of the Condesce and the Grand Highblood forcibly reproducing with the Sufferer as a way of torturing both him and Disciple (since she could never hand in a pail with him for fear of being caught), which has implications about Karkat's existence in other non-clone fics as well. Or, you know, he could be a mutant. Some kind of genetic throwback/freak occurrence. What I'm saying is gently caress Homestucks and gently caress their rape fantasies. Hnnnnnngh, one of my friends brought his troper girlfriend over a few days ago and she spent three hours literally lecturing me about how one of the characters wasn't really a rapist.
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Darth TNT posted:I wish TVtropes put out more fiction. They're too busy writing up trope pages for their work on its characters. Those come first, then the work itself. quote:Scaebious From the Villain Critiques thread. See, now that he did the hard work of imagining a guy in a black cloak with a sword with a name that sounds like a skin disease, he can write the story of how he wants to destroy the world for some reason.
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Is it weird that I'm having more fun working out how to make these characters and plots work, than anything? It's like trying to untangle Christmas tree lights.
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William Bear posted:They're too busy writing up trope pages for their work on its characters. Those come first, then the work itself. It's funny that you say it like that. While reading the write up I had the exact same thought. Why do so many of these characters sound like they would spend most of their story time on a chair somewhere cackling at their complete arsenal of one of a kind weapons. Anyway, this guy is a nice cluster of contradictions. He's cold and dangerous! He's omnicidal and not very strong/moderate enchanter! I do however think that enchanting your cloak so your face is always covered in shadow is awesome...if only because I also once used it for a character.  Kaboom Dragoon posted:Is it weird that I'm having more fun working out how to make these characters and plots work, than anything? It's like trying to untangle Christmas tree lights. 
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Ah yes, the physically weak adept swordsman, the most consistent of all villains. Other than that, a reasonably well made character. At least his motivation is better than "because reasons". Story design seems to acknowledge that protagonist has flaws, thus instantly making the story better than 95% of what TvTropes puts out. Now it just needs to be written.
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William Bear posted:They're too busy writing up trope pages for their work on its characters. Those come first, then the work itself. And this is the problem with building a story using tropes because then you run into the old bad writing cliché of "I will destroy the world for some reason" which is always compelling. At least this character has something behind him wanting to destroy the world but the character itself is just a random hodge-podge of tropes. He's a cold-blooded psychopath that will murder anyone that gets in his way but he's also quite empathetic. I mean seriously, that is so contradictory that it hurts. Hmm, this should be this threads troper fiction. Just collecting all of their villains/heroes and pointing out what specifically doesn't work. Testekill fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Testekill posted:And this is the problem with building a story using tropes because then you run into the old bad writing cliché of "I will destroy the world for some reason" which is always compelling. At least this character has something behind him wanting to destroy the world but the character itself is just a random hodge-podge of tropes. He's a cold-blooded psychopath that will murder anyone that gets in his way but he's also quite empathetic. I mean seriously, that is so contradictory that it hurts. "Religious maniac who wants to destroy the world because he feels personally slighted by God" works for me.
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ArchangeI posted:"Religious maniac who wants to destroy the world because he feels personally slighted by God"
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The Leper Colon V posted:I think I have my next D&D bad guy. At least telling the gods to go gently caress themselves works in D&D. Deities die all the time in D&D and a zealous psychopath works there. Here, we don't even know if the gods used to walk the earth or if they even exist. Now if it's all building up to a nihilistic climax where he discovers that the gods never existed then that could lead into his "scorch the earth" tactic and just murder everyone then that would be pretty interesting.
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ArchangeI posted:Ah yes, the physically weak adept swordsman, the most consistent of all villains. Other than that, a reasonably well made character. At least his motivation is better than "because reasons". Story design seems to acknowledge that protagonist has flaws, thus instantly making the story better than 95% of what TvTropes puts out.  There is a contradiction in your post.quote:Name: Lord Eclipse  He redacted the motivation, not me. Very unfortunate now we can't steal his Original character. Wait a minute, this guy has a story name. There must be more. Nothing but rambling on his troper page though.
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The Scaebious profile is not a bad start, and if he were working towards something besides destroying the world, I might be interested. But still, why would you name a fantasy villain Scaebious and not make him a sentient scab with crazy regeneration and really gross powers? Wasted opportunity.
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ArchangeI posted:Ah yes, the physically weak adept swordsman, the most consistent of all villains. He's like that one player every MMO guild has who won't let go of that totally worthless sword because, seriously have you seen the boost it gives to this one stat?! I bet he rolls Need on every loot drop too. Alpacalips Now posted:The Scaebious profile is not a bad start, and if he were working towards something besides destroying the world, I might be interested. But still, why would you name a fantasy villain Scaebious and not make him a sentient scab with crazy regeneration and really gross powers? Wasted opportunity. "My name is Scaebious. I am flesh personified. Become part of me and witness the Perfection of Growth." Imagine that being said in a creepy choir of halting voices, none of them getting the emphasis on the right words.
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"Very good at empathy" is really loving funny. Empathy isn't a skillset you dweeb it's a character trait! Also, all the "age: unknown" and "motivation: [redacted]" stuff reads like character descriptions on the back of action figure packaging. So mysterious!
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Swan Oat posted:"Very good at empathy" is really loving funny. Empathy isn't a skillset you dweeb it's a character trait! Also, all the "age: unknown" and "motivation: [redacted]" stuff reads like character descriptions on the back of action figure packaging. So mysterious! Reminds me of that comic about Star Trek: TNG where it's all like, "Troi can understand how other people are feeling. This is her superpower."
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Alpacalips Now posted:The Scaebious profile is not a bad start, and if he were working towards something besides destroying the world, I might be interested. But still, why would you name a fantasy villain Scaebious and not make him a sentient scab with crazy regeneration and really gross powers? Wasted opportunity.  Swan Oat posted:Also, all the "age: unknown" and "motivation: [redacted]" stuff reads like character descriptions on the back of action figure packaging. So mysterious! 
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vaguely posted:No see, you can't give away all your character's secrets in the profile sheet because the other roleplayers might use it to metagame and then all your super awesome plans will be ruined Jesus gently caress, these villain profiles. I managed to fit the final boss of a two-year tabletop game on two cue cards. I could probably sum up his backstory and history in two sentences. What is with these people?
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GreenMetalSun posted:Jesus gently caress, these villain profiles. They need to know all the tropes involves in their villain because genre fiction is made entirely of tropes
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GreenMetalSun posted:Jesus gently caress, these villain profiles. Do you mean index cards? Because cue cards are pretty loving big.
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Patchwork Shaman posted:Do you mean index cards? Because cue cards are pretty loving big. Yeah...unless he's writing a purposely over-the-top villain for a Saturday Night Live sketch, but even I doubt that. I think they do mean index cards.
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Penny Paper posted:Yeah...unless he's writing a purposely over-the-top villain for a Saturday Night Live sketch, but even I doubt that. I think they do mean index cards. Cue Card 2: "I'll get you NEXT time!"
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:"My name is Scaebious. I am flesh personified. Become part of me and witness the Perfection of Growth." What gets me about a lot of the villains in that thread is they seem to have only one motivation, usually vengeance, pride, greed or the wonderfully  meta 'meh,' rather than the swath of motivations that most genre-fic villains actually need to put together their stupid plans.Think of Sauron, whose motivation really isn't just 'to get the ring back.' His motivation is to wipe out the humans and elves of Middle-Earth. It's also to get his ring back. It's also, specifically, to gently caress up Minas Tirith, because seriously gently caress that place. He's also got secondary motivations- to outdo Sarumon, to kill Gandalf, to punish the ring-stealing hobbits, and to punish Men for their insolence. And all of these motivations funnel down to his troops on the ground, who interpret them in various ways and often fight about their interpretations of those goals. He sends a massive army to Minas Tirith because he thinks that it'll give him everything- the ring-bearer, the death of the kings of men, the death of Gandalf, the destruction of Minas Tirith- and his focus there means that he very nearly misses the fact that the ring has been smuggled into his own lands by a DIFFERENT hobbit. His own motivations get in the way of his own motivations, is what I'm saying. That's how you do complex villains who are capable of making mistakes.
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Ah yes, Sauron. I think you will find he is the quintessential Omnicidal Maniac who has raised an Army of Darkness to Take Over The World and reclaim his Artifact of Doom from those Interfering Heroes. I don't think it's too bold to say he might even be a Trope Defining example of the Villain Archetype Contains example of: Bishonen - In deleted scenes from RotK, Sauron took the form of a tall, fair angel 
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Shadeoses posted:Ah yes, Sauron. I think you will find he is the quintessential Omnicidal Maniac who has raised an Army of Darkness to Take Over The World and reclaim his Artifact of Doom from those Interfering Heroes. I don't think it's too bold to say he might even be a Trope Defining example of the Villain Archetype That made me really angry for a moment there.
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