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The Navy has calibration technicians but it's a separate NEC for ATs (and whichever surface rates need it, idk). You won't be able to join for cal, but you can join to be an AT and hope you get it when you graduate A-school. Regardless, you could do a lot worse than being an AT in the Navy. edit: AT = Aviation Electronics Technician, NEC = Navy Enlisted Classification MancXVI fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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DoktorLoken posted:I know the Army Guard offers loan repayment, but I'm not sure if that would be available to someone commissioning through OCS like you would have to. You can get the choice of a bonus or student loan repayment program(SLRP) if it is in your contract. It was 2 years ago.
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Feb 17, 2014 05:35
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Godholio posted:The AF contracts that poo poo out. It's about a 50-50 split between contractors/civilians and active duty. We have 30+ active duty PMEL techs here, some of the bigger bases have upwards of 60.
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Feb 17, 2014 05:48
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Godholio posted:The AF contracts that poo poo out. Nah man there's active duty PMEL dudes in the AF and that poo poo is their entire life..
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Feb 17, 2014 06:03
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On small boys, calibration is a collateral as well. The GSE (gas turbine electrical techs) usually run the engineering cal program with ETs or FCs (electronic techs or firecontrolmen) running the rest. There are only so many gauges and switches that can be calibrated on ship by the crew. The other two types require either depot level calibration or contractors come on board to calibrate them.
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If you join the Navy as an AT, theres a small chance you might end up ar NAS Lemoore, in which xase you can contact me here on the forums and I can help you out if you need anything medical on the mental health side. For some people the pace of life in the Navy is difficult, and to help with the transition from one abusive household into an abusive organization comes the possibility of needing a place to vent. At almost every base Ive been to, whether stationed or just visiting a friend, they have a mental health clinic or a fleet and family support center. If you think you have any issues youre carrying from your abused life and want to drop it, it can be hit and miss depending on provider, but it can also be really helpful. Be good at your job and try to take care of yourself as in some cases no one else will.
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Hekk posted:Join the Navy and get into something that will give you job skills when you get out. Logistics is a good field to look into since the dudes on the civilian side loading ships and poo poo in the port can make a good chunk of change. Coast Guard is supposed to be good for that kind of poo poo too, from what I've been told.
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Feb 17, 2014 16:27
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Obama Africanus posted:Nah man there's active duty PMEL dudes in the AF and that poo poo is their entire life.. I thought it was all gone...my privatization rant is about a guy I knew in hs who got hired on after a trade school electronics class for PMEL at like GS-11 pay.
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Feb 17, 2014 18:00
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If you've got mental problems you'll fit right in with the Navy. My command alone has had an average of 1 suicide incident a week this year.
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Pandasmores posted:If you join the Navy as an AT, theres a small chance you might end up ar NAS Lemoore, in which xase you can contact me here on the forums and I can help you out if you need anything medical on the mental health side. For some people the pace of life in the Navy is difficult, and to help with the transition from one abusive household into an abusive organization comes the possibility of needing a place to vent. Haha you're at Lemoore sucker. I used to live in Hanford.
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Neo Duckberg posted:Haha you're at Lemoore sucker. I used to live in Hanford. Yeah, and its even gayer that I ended up here because I chose my orders by flipping quarters. Also, somewhat vouching for what Sir Lucius is saying, the Navy statistics for suicide attempts and completions are pretty much 2 per day when you factor it all in for worldwide.
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Feb 18, 2014 00:20
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Pandasmores posted:Yeah, and its even gayer that I ended up here because I chose my orders by flipping quarters. 2 suicides a day navy wide? That seems high. Like, really really high. Higher than you'd expect even with all the suicide problems of the military. Wow, that's insane. That means there are more suicides than admirals in the Navy. 
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Pandasmores posted:Yeah, and its even gayer that I ended up here because I chose my orders by flipping quarters. http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/suicide_prevention/Pages/Statistics.aspx Umm, no. There have been 4 this year. E: Completions anyway. Ideations I can't speak for since I can't read msg traffic right now. poopkitty fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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poopkitty posted:http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/suicide_prevention/Pages/Statistics.aspx Phew. Thank god. Because 2 a day would just be absolute insanity. There was a point where we had more suicides than KIA going on, and that might still be the case now-- not sure if they're really advertising that fact though.
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Feb 18, 2014 01:43
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I guess two a day includes attempts and such?
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gleep gloop posted:I guess two a day includes attempts and such? I wonder how many rapes/attempted rapes per day the AF has.
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Feb 18, 2014 02:29
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Godholio posted:I wonder how many rapes/attempted rapes per day the AF has. I read an article that said 3 SA's per hour military wide.
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Feb 18, 2014 02:37
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poopkitty posted:I read an article that said 3 SA's per hour military wide. I don't know whether to be glad about the failure rate or alarmed at the frequency.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:11
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Obama Africanus posted:There was a point where we had more suicides than KIA going on, and that might still be the case now-- not sure if they're really advertising that fact though. That's still the case. There were more suicides than KIA in CY12 (349 suicides vs 295 KIA in Afghanistan) and I believe the same thing happened in CY13 (suicide numbers dropped in 2013 but there were also way fewer KIA).
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poopkitty posted:http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/21st_Century_Sailor/suicide_prevention/Pages/Statistics.aspx No, that 2 per day thing was from numbers I had a year ago, and I think it was Dept of the Navy so it included the Marine Corps. I just looked it up and I had read the report itself wrong, doubling it for the MC and Navy so sorry dudes. Pandasmores fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 04:25
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An incident isn't necessarily a successful suicide. It includes attempts and threats.
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Hey all, I plan on enlisting in the Army as a 35 series, probably fox. I'm interested in current events and figured intel would be down my alley. I would love to make a career out of this type of work as a civilian. I'm going to have my Associates by the end of the year, and if I I join I'll earn my bachelors while I'm in so I don't have any debts. I understand there's a drawdown occurring in the military and defense industry because of Afghanistan, but is going the military route for experience and a clearance still a good way to break into intel work for a Three-letter Agency or as a contractor?
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SirCumference posted:Hey all, I plan on enlisting in the Army as a 35 series, probably fox. I'm interested in current events and figured intel would be down my alley. I would love to make a career out of this type of work as a civilian. I'm going to have my Associates by the end of the year, and if I I join I'll earn my bachelors while I'm in so I don't have any debts. I understand there's a drawdown occurring in the military and defense industry because of Afghanistan, but is going the military route for experience and a clearance still a good way to break into intel work for a Three-letter Agency or as a contractor? Nobody who's a civilian gives a gently caress about what you do in the military.
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anne frank fanfic posted:Nobody who's a civilian gives a gently caress about what you do in the military. Okay, but wouldn't having a clearance and having done some type of intel work look better than some schmuck who only has a bachelors?
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If you live in the DC area, yes, having a clearance will help you get a job. Will you gain valuable experience in the military? It depends, the army is notorious for misusing its resources, they like to think every soldier needs to be infantry. Also, here's how the military intel community works: people like you get in, get experienced, then get out for better jobs. The people who stay are the ones who become your boss. You may be assigned a mission that is mentally engaging, that gives you valuable experience, and that is overseen by a civilian. You may also be given a mission that involves moving furniture from one building to another. Is this your last outlet? Have you tried and failed to get a position at a three letter agency? Are you prepared to spend the next 4-6 years doing Army things? Sometimes it's faster to enlist than it is to wait 2-3 years sending out resumes and working temp jobs. Sometimes it's a waste of time being enlisted for 4 years and nothing to show for it. Also, I don't really know what 35Fs do. Don't just read a generic online description, see if you can find someone in the Army thread to talk to if you want the no bullshit version of the job.
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SirCumference posted:Okay, but wouldn't having a clearance and having done some type of intel work look better than some schmuck who only has a bachelors? Right now it wouldn't be the best idea, though you're right to an extent. If you're lucky and get in and then get some unique experience for a few years and then get out right when the government gets money again, you may be able to get a good job. Otherwise the way it's looking now it probably wouldn't matter too much.
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35Fs are the laziest fucks in Intel. I have been at a strat unit and a MICO in a BCT and they had a bad rep at both. In this drawdown environment, your plan to enlist for experience is misguided. You think he's kidding when he says move furniture from one building to another? I have done that among many other details. Best hope is to get to a strat unit with an actual mission. But that is not up to you at all. Don't play Russian roulette.
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Moving furniture is also like, one of the better lovely details too. You ever spend 9-5 picking up pine cones in the middle of the goddamn forest?
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I've spent all day in the forest pretending to pick up pine cones, does that count?
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So I would just have to prey to the Gods that I'd be placed into a good unit doing actual intel stuff? I'm a 20 year old student about to earn an AA, and don't really want to move onto a university and rack up the debt to earn a bachelors. As far as breaking into the Intel field, it doesn't look like there's any other way for me. Not having a clearance makes it seem like all employers would trash my resume on first sight, so the military seems like the best bet. That said, I'm not trying to just use the service as some sort of stepping stone. Getting out of my area and being thrown into a whole new environment along with getting a bachelors for free just sounds very appealing. Sucks that this "peace" nonsense springs up when I'm finally able to jump in...
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If for some reason you are dead seat on joining you could always looks at 35P, or 35Q. At least with 35P you learn a language and get your clearance. And with 35Q you get in with all this cyber warfare bullshit that everyone seems to love right now. And your clearance. So failing all else at least with those you've got an appreciable skill to go along with it. Whether you spend the next 4 or 5 years hating your loving life counting the days until you get out (you probably will) is another story.
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For the record, I'm a CTN which is like a 35Q. There is cool stuff to do in the intel field, in no way am I bitter about my job. If I were in your shoes as a 20 year old kid I would actually join the military. I can say this because I did the entire AA -> BA college thing, and then spent a few years doing jobs I didn't like until I finally joined which I was thinking about doing when I was 19. But everyone is different, and that's just my hindsight. Still, joining up isn't a free pass into an awesome job when you get out.
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not caring here posted:Whether you spend the next 4 or 5 years hating your loving life counting the days until you get out (you probably will) is another story. He's looking at going into a garrison Army. There is no question of hating life. None. At all. If someone joins right now it will be an undeniable fact of life. People like SMA Chandler run the show now, and what a poo poo-show it is.
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SirCumference posted:So I would just have to prey to the Gods that I'd be placed into a good unit doing actual intel stuff? I'm a 20 year old student about to earn an AA, and don't really want to move onto a university and rack up the debt to earn a bachelors. As far as breaking into the Intel field, it doesn't look like there's any other way for me. Not having a clearance makes it seem like all employers would trash my resume on first sight, so the military seems like the best bet. That said, I'm not trying to just use the service as some sort of stepping stone. Getting out of my area and being thrown into a whole new environment along with getting a bachelors for free just sounds very appealing. Sucks that this "peace" nonsense springs up when I'm finally able to jump in... Join the Navy as a CTN like SirLucius (I hear CTI is a sweet gig too). Only reason to join the Army or Marines is to rack up some sick double taps on tangos 'Rah Yut. (Or you can join them and learn the misery of garrison life and countdown your days til you get out). Oorah 702 days.
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I'm a 35F. I enjoy my MOS but doing things over, I might look into 35P, 35G or 35Q first. 35F = hope you like maps and PowerPoint. It's the jack of all trades MI MOS, hence it being called "All-Source Analyst". Upsides: You almost always have heat and air conditioning in the field. Downsides: 35F is the most numerous MI MOS in the Army which means you can go just about anywhere. It can be a cool job if you wind up in a strategic unit or at least a BCT MICO, not so much if you're in a BN S2 shop. Generally the other MI MOSes are much more specialized so they're almost never found outside of a MI unit. Flying_Crab fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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There are a lot of miserable 35Fs in infantry battalions who do nothing but cut grass and process SF86s.
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35T is really awesome if you actually want to 'work with computers' and not in the bullshit used-car-salesman way they usually slide past people where 'Oh he types in Excel and power point all day, that means working with computers right?' It is for-real intel systems maintenance. You might not end up working just on networks and PCs though, the MOS is a generic catch-all for "fixing and maintaining intel systems that run on electricity and nobody else knows how to fix", so I know some guys who ended up running satellite communications, others from my class worked on air planes, and the year I spent in Afghanistan was a combination of Help Desk stuff (which sucked balls because your "customer" can be a Lt. Colonel who doesn't give a gently caress about physics he wants XYZ done) and stuff you would find in a CCNA course or SQL server maintaining and production (which was cool because I am a nerd and enjoy it). edit: Of course all of this requires joining the military, so as cool as the job can possibly be you're a still dumb mother fucker like the rest of us if you join.
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I posted here about a year ago when I was considering enlisting in the Navy and I got some good advice from a few posters who I see are still around. I decided I'll give my one year update in the hopes that it will help someone else in a situation similar to mine a year ago. I shipped to boot last valentines day. I was 28 years old, and predictably I was one of the older people there. Boot camp is a silly mind game where you exercise and sit on the ground a lot. It would almost be fun at times if you didn't smell so bad. I'm a mass communications specialist. Our A school is in fort Meade Maryland, an army base. I spent the next six months there learning about photography and writing and video production. The A school experience was a blast. You meet lots of people, learn and generally live a good life. My experience isn't representative of everyone's, and I generally have a silver lining attitude about life. Some things sucked. You're still by and large treated like a child quite often and the curriculum is a bit of a joke at times, but it was definitely a positive experience. I graduated 2nd in class, and as with many rates the top 2 from a class get an early advancement to third class. I'll be picking that up in a couple weeks. From A school I got orders to the Stennis, which is currently in dry dock in Bremerton, WA. This is when I actually joined the navy in my opinion. Boot and A school are something different and altogether safer. I'm going to say this up front... I'm not complaining. I've got a great job. But getting to the fleet was a huge blow. If you aren't the type that can handle a steady stream of negativity and bullshit... Close this thread and go back to college. The first thing I noticed when I showed up is that everyone... Everyone is some level of unhappy. Pretty much every day. What holds people together is their shared misery. I found out right away that only half of my job would be what I had just spend 6 months learning. You spend a great deal of time doing things that seem pointless and unnecessary. For every hour spent doing something really cool you get about a weeks worth of unfulfilling bullshit. The other thing that really shocked me was this bizarre prison like black market of hookups. Often nobody outside of the people in your shop will do anything for you without reciprocation. Its not just menial things... Signatures needed for qualifications are a huge bargaining chip. As is food and tobacco. Prison... Its crazy. Again... This is just my experience. Everyone's is different. I'm still new, and like I said... My job is not as hard as many many others available. Has my time been worth it? So far I think so. I've still got five years to go. I'd be happy to answer any questions from anyone looking to join.
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The Navy is bad enough for all the reasons you listed, but as someone who grew up in Kitsap County, Bremerton is probably not helping your situation.
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krispykremessuck posted:The Navy is bad enough for all the reasons you listed, but as someone who grew up in Kitsap County, Bremerton is probably not helping your situation. Well I'll actually talk about that too... One thing that's been very rewarding about my experience is a the travel. I've been to Maryland and Washington and I've enjoy the hell out if both. On deployment I'll see a bunch of ports all over the middle east and Asia. Bremerton is a but lame, but the mountains are beautiful... Lots of great hiking, and Seattle is close enough to check out once a month or so. Maryland was very cool. A school keeps you on lock down but I still managed to see a good bit of the capitol and Baltimore.
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