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 I'm pretty down with 'gently caress traitors' myself. Any change in our state religion, in addition to damning the entire Empire to the depths of hell, is also extremely imprudent, for reasons previously stated by my honorable colleague and friend Senator Ezo XLV. However, I shall not be joining the Old Romans, as I think that parading around in my skivvies with a bear skin on my head at a party is beneath the dignity of the Senate. I'm not naming names, but you know who you are.
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Ehhh, I think I like the New Romans day to day stuff the most. So sign me up! Though I gotta say the Old Roman way of dealing with TRAITORS is awfully appealing....
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Flesnolk posted:
Sir, have you not seen what has happened to Jerusalem? Disconnected from their territory, it now shifts hands as easy as I could throw a tomato at you. Which is quite easy.
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 The difference, tomato-thrower, is that Genoa lies on the opposite end of the Mediterranean from Jerusalem, while to us Venice is metaphorically right next door, with the Italian kingdoms apparently uninterested in laying claim to it. And Genoa seems to have held onto their conquest just fine, for the time being.
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I would've made an Icon for another cross-party faction, the Coalition Of Unifiers and New Thinking Senators, a co-operation striving towards rights for minorities and just about everyone who isn't a Greek Orthodox Nobleman comparable to those of said group. But I don't think we've come far enough into the Let's Play to have names this stupid yet, so I passed on the opportunity. Speaking of silly and/or stupid names, the T.R.A.I.T.O.R.S... considering what their prime agenda is, why not rename them the Catholi-Orthodox Unification Party? Or on a more serious note, the Reconciliation Party? While sure, the True Religions Advocates in Times of Revolts and Strife may be a fun joke I feel it is starting to get driven a bit far into the ground. But I dunno, it may be just me. Luhood fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Luhood posted:I would've made an Icon for another cross-party faction, the Coalition of Unifiers and New Thinking Senators, a co-operation striving towards rights for minorities and just about everyone who isn't a Greek Orthodox Nobleman comparable to those of said group. But I don't think we've come far enough into the Let's Play to have names this stupid yet, so I passed on the opportunity. Can we not name factions after slurs? Thanks.
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Luhood posted:Speaking of silly and/or stupid names, the T.R.A.I.T.O.R.S... considering what their prime agenda is, why not rename them the Catholi-Orthodox Unification Party? Or on a more serious note, the Reconciliation Party? While sure, the True Religions Advocates in Times of Revolts and Strife may be a fun joke I feel it is starting to get driven a bit far into the ground. But I dunno, it may be just me. Yeah, and it's a bit of a pain to type too. I'd honestly prefer Latins or Reconciliationists or something like that. Latins preferably because it's short and simple. forkis fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 07:01
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Sleep of Bronze posted:For we alone think that one who doesn't partake in public life isn't "just a private individual": he is, in fact, simply useless.  Someone is bitter over not getting invited to all the good parties. And congratulations to your philosophy tutor, he must be very proud you remembered all that. If you had payed attention when they spoke of divinity rather than when they echoed the old farts blabbering on about "fulfillment" and "duty", you might have learned this: The Emperor is the chosen of God and an agent of him. It is through him that the Empire will succeed. There is no element of hope, no element of faith. There is only the cold, hard certainty of victory, whether in my life or that of my children or childrens children, it matters not. If the Emperor wills we be muslims, so be it. If he heads north, south, west or east, we will advise and adapt. But it is only a matter of how and when we will win, not a matter of whether.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:
Well said, brother! With all the talk of the around here of political parties and such, people seem to think we have returned to the long past days of the Republic! We do not rule, for the Empress rules justly and wisely. We merely aid the Empress by suggesting possible courses of action. And, to be honest, far better that she make the decision than one such as I! I can't imagine the stress that the weighty responsibility of divine mandate would bring!
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Deceitful Penguin posted:
κάλα ἐνθυμήματα γνώμην παρέχει καὶ τὸ του ῥήτορος κρατός αὐξάνει· κάκα σᾶ ἐνθυμήματα ἀμαθίαν παρέχει καὶ τὸ σόν κρατός βλάπτει. One is not amazed that the party of those who will not think calls Thucydides' History a work of philosophy and feels that my remembering of a single line from a most famous speech is even remarkable. Indeed, every senator worthy of the name should know it. A fine argument shows knowledge and strengthens the speaker's cause; your feeble argument shows ignorance and weakens your cause.
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AJ_Impy posted:
  I think this is a coalition we can get behind (much like the Nova Marians), in fact I was wondering if the Expantionalists had looked at our ABC plan, its all about conquest and expansion, only with a small bit of focus, mainly being used as a stepping stone to greater eventual conquests. ABC Plan posted:Right now our main strategic are a of interest is concentrated around the Aegean, Black and Cilicia Seas, therefore it makes the most sense, for right now anyways (I know that many of you have designs and desires beyond those boundaries), to consolidate and concentrate in these areas. Specifically to build up enough and conquer enough to make sure we maintain complete and unquestioned dominance of this area. Under this ABC plan, we will should take the following actions: Arbitrary Coin posted:Man, what's the closest thing "gently caress Traitors" party out there? I identified with the Kommenians but then they started saying make all teh Doux one when the most important thing should be loyalty. A blood tie to the royal family from centuries ago is not enough. True they have that capability, but the Fraternalist stance has always been, at least with these assholes we get piles more gold from them to make better stuff for the empire. Blackunknown posted:
Friend, again you ideas and focuses fall pretty much directly in line with the Fraternalist ideals and our ABC proposal, perhaps we can work together to accomplish much.
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Ofaloaf posted:
I can throw my weight behind this proposal
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I too would like to see the event that ends the schism, so here we go. Long has Byzantium been the shield of Christendom, breaking the endless waves of the Muslim hordes against the edges of our blades and the tips of our spears. For generations, Byzantium has bled for our brothers in the west. And what have they done to repay us? Almost nothing. Instead, while Byzantium bleeds the rest of Christendom fight among themselves and slink ever farther into the dark recesses of ancient barbarism. The papist's heresy has split Christendom in twain, isolating us from our brothers, and fomenting petty rivalry and atavism where there should be unity and progress. Our brothers spill each other's blood, and Byzantium stands alone. This state of affairs can stand no longer. We must end the papist heresy, and bring unity and brotherhood to Europa: We must turn west and take Rome. Not for the ancient glory of a tarnished empire, but for the benefit of the modern Byzantium, and the ideals for which it stands. No longer can one lone man claim the primacy of God's will, and foment discontent among our brothers. No longer will the papists split Europe asunder for their personal gain. Italy and it's accompanying states are scattered and weak. Their backwards nations will stand no match against our modern army and progressive tactics. We must again turn west, and spill the blood of Christian men, so that in the future it will be spilled no longer. We will bring Rome into the fold, end the schism, and bring our progressive ideals to our backwards brothers. It is only united, modern Byzantine europe that can stand against the vast pagan hordes of the East!
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Frontspac posted:
Hear, hear! Let us end the Schism.
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Ratoslov posted:
 I am pleasantly surprised to see such wholehearted support of the central plank of the Milvian platform from the New Byzantines. Esteemed senators, I look forward to working with you to make this a reality!
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Ratoslov posted:
Have you gone γαμημένος insane!? The only thing stopping the Great Seljuk from taking Anatolia is the dozen other Seljuks waiting to stab him in the back! Look, The Komnenian party is very busy naming everything in the Empire after the good Alexios and re-enacting our favorite scenes from the Alexiad in period clothing (and editing out all those chapters about Turkish mercenaries and dashing, handsome Turkish Princes), so could you kindly do us a favor and back a less insane plan? You know, like building a tower to the moon or sailing the army off into the endless western ocean? Ghetto Prince fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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We of the Komnenian party sober enough to be here today call for an immediate cessation of all petty bickering, chest thumping, and general blowhardery until our headaches clear up and we get a chance to think for a moment. The people freaking out and joining fringe parties are worthless idiots who we can probably ignore, but the collapse of the New Byzantine coalition does raise interesting possibilities. I don't think anyone in my party particularly gives a poo poo about the religious debates, but I feel obligated to point out our people are Orthodox, our clergy are Orthodox, and our Empress is Orthodox, so if the Senate is truly to serve the interests of the Empire, we ought to treat the faith that built it with the proper respect. Anyway, quick and dirty Komnenian Party Platform. We support: expanding imperial control over the provinces, protecting our borders, giving our Empress a hug and telling her everything will be OK. We oppose: pointless religious squabbling, aggressive expansionism (unless it's the Empress's idea), speaking Latin. I don't know about this plan to appoint other Komnenoi to all the Douxies, seems to have some flaws. For starters there'd need to be some other Komnenoi and if you haven't noticed our royal line is looking a little... thin at the moment. We of the Komnenenian party will have to think long and hard on these issues, but for now I motion to adjourn so we can sleep it off.
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Duckbag posted:
I was was the Komnenoi who suggested that we replace Doux's with Komnenian family members. Personally seems like a great idea if we could stop dropping family members like flies. Komnenian's are the greatest family since the Caesar's of Rome and it make sense to replace disloyal Doux's with them. But I otherwise agree with everything else you have said. I'm liking that the fanatical loyalists are becoming the most sound.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:One is not amazed that the party of those who will not think calls Thucydides' History a work of philosophy and feels that my remembering of a single line from a most famous speech is even remarkable. Indeed, every senator worthy of the name should know it. Duckbag posted:
And to this, might I add; the enlargement of the Imperial demesne and acquisition of reliable allies. Of the faith is preferable but as we have in our own halls men most immoral we must take what we can get.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Of the faith is preferable but as we have in our own halls men most immoral we must take what we can get. I am surprised that we haven't got a break away party trying to have us convert to the old Hellenic religion of our forefathers or to the Tengri of the steppes.
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It gladdens me more each and every day that literacy and fluency in greek is a requirement to get into the senate, otherwise knowing our luck, we'd be overrun with the latter.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:
 Steppes and Republics Our party would gladly join a coalition of other parties that expresses interests in expansion and mercantilism such as yours as long as our party would keep it's individual interests.
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Lord Windy posted:
The Old Romans will get there eventually, I'm sure.
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Blackunknown posted:
Sure, I mean the focus on the steppes is a tad. . .different, but considering we both want to see more mercantalistic republics in the Empire, I can see us working in coalition with each other to promote interests. I take it you're interested in the ABC proposal?
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New Byzantines Fellow Senators, Old Rome did not rise from the brink of destruction to reclaim its heritage - it is forward-thinking Byzantium that brought us the riches of Belgorod and Crimea. It is our commitment to industry and development that supported our efforts in Anatolia and the Steppe, and gave us the resources with which we crushed the Bulgar upstarts. Further expansion will require solid foundations, foundations that the New Byzantines are pouring every day from Constantinople to Cherson. I implore my fellow senators not to turn away from the ideals which served us so well.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:
Steppes and Republics Yes, your ABC Proposal holds much in common with our own proposal, especially conquering the gold mines of the Hashimid and complete trade hegemoney of the Black Sea.
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Mirdini posted:
The one thing that concerns me is the 'forward-thinking' party takes for its name the pre-Christian, barbarian and pagan city which predates our glorious Constantinopolis. It is a minor thing, but to have this one party decrying the 'backwardness' of the other political groups whilst clinging to a name that was old before ever the Roman Empire became Christian seems awry. If you wish to claim our current Polis as the starting point for a new and brighter future, can we not dredge up ancient history, pagan ties and backwards, pre-imperial modes of thought? Are we not Constantinopolitans, our very city itself founded as a new and better hub from which our empire could go from strength to strength when it was first founded? I petition that the name of your party be more in accordance with the views of your party rather than exhuming long-buried, fallen Byzantion.
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I really must ask, who even came up with the idea of calling yourselves Byzantines and why? It really does seem rather counterproductive.
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Let's be honest, New Constanipolitines just is hard to say, it doesn't rally the heart and is difficult to work into successful oratory. Byzantine has a certain sonic euphony that allows it to flow readily from the tongue, even in the mouths of those who do not speak Greek. And again, there are those who demand that we call ourselves Roman. This is just a silly concept, at least until the day that we hold Rome. That day is not today. We may inherit the glories of Rome, but we are not restricted by its failures, and yes, Rome had its failures. The Roman Empire was not a perfect place. There are those who will call me traitor for speaking such words, even in the company of those who wish for us to invade the territory of the papists or to renounce our faith altogether to join with the Turks. No, we are not Romans. We are, perhaps, not Byzantines. What we are, ultimately, is Greek. I do not know why this word is so poor regarded among our numbers. The Greeks of antiquity were perhaps too prone to internecine conflict, which is a familiar refrain is it not? But they were also wise and learned above their peers, and even the men of Rome traced their legacy back to the Greeks of Ilium. Greeks were civilized, and even those that conquered the Greeks became civilized in the process. We are inheritors not just of those original city-states but of those that came after. We are Greek and we are Macedonian and we are Roman. But now? Now we are something new. And until there is a better word for it, I say we be called Byzantines.
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If we are so Greek, why do we continue to allow Pecheneg invaders and Crimeans to dominate trade? Why do we allow local, defeated, ex-infidel aristocrats to rule over vast provinces? Greeks were famous for another thing, Senator: colonization. Our ancestors spread across the Mediterranean, founding new, Greek, cities, and would change the very character of the surrounding lesser peoples. As I have said, our own imperial predecessors did the same in Gaul and Hispania. I therefore call for the appointment of Greeks alone to themes, for the destruction of the traitorous Pecheneg "despotate," and for the reorganization of the merchant republics under Greek patricians! We must remake conquered peoples in the image of Constantinople to ever be truly united!
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Meinberg posted:
How can we trust you to innovate our policies, innovate our strategy, innovate the disposition of our armies, innovate our territotial expansion or innovate our civic progress when you collectively can't even innovate your own name?
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
Steppes and Republics Good sir I must protest this course of action, we Pecheneg, Cuman, and Crimean Nobles and Merchenys are as loyal to the Roman crown as any Citizen of the Empire. We certainly do not revolt any more then the Greek themes, and we certainly do not send any less trade revenue to the Crown for Imperial use. Blackunknown fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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 You know, there is a way for us to get around all this petty and counter productive ethnic and cultural strife. A way for us to create unity and harmony regardless of kinship and meaningless tribal affiliation! We just have to join ummat al-Islamiyah! Tell you what, we can compromise. I would understand completely if Euphosyne chooses to remain Orthodox, but I would suggest that her heirs be raised Sunni. Then everyone will have time to get used to the idea! Also, you would all have more time to learn Arabic.
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I strongly suggest that instead of switching the empire wholesale to foreign ways in a move that will surely result in violent upheaval and likely disintegration, that when in Rome, you do as us Romans do.
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Talky posted:Tell you what, we can compromise. I would understand completely if Euphosyne chooses to remain Orthodox, but I would suggest that her heirs be raised Sunni. Then everyone will have time to get used to the idea! Also, you would all have more time to learn Arabic. I agree, let us compromise - the Empire remains Orthodox, as we have been for centuries going back to noble Constantine, and we crucify you Turk-lovers as traitors in true Roman fashion. If necessary I would compromise with "New Byzantine" ways and settle for beheading or blinding/castration. Gnooble fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Blackunknown posted:[SaRiconhere] You are right on trade revenue. The Komnenoi have given you steppe invaders a monopoly over the Empire, over Greeks! They have allowed you a vassal king, as if you were more worthy than the formerly Roman and Orthodox Vlachs you continue to oppress! Already these mistakes have cost Roman lives, Roman money, and Roman honor! Rebellions will continue to bankrolled by you foreigners until you are free of the Empire, which is why the entire area must be Romanized. You can have your steppes, but learn Greek. Participate in millennia of glory! Become our true brothers. Forget your pagan ways, forever.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
I just want to point out that the ABC proposal seeks to rectify the complete monopoly Crimea has by requesting that more republic be created so we're not wholey dependent on Crimea for our wealth. More Republics, more money, and more chances to install Greek rulers in those new republics. Just saying.
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Our problems can only be fixed at the roots. Crimea and Belgorod must both be dissolved and then reformed under Greek patricians, commanded by the Empress to begin Romanizing their subjects. The same goes for every theme under foreign control, along with that abominable "despotate."
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
Steppes and Republics I take no issue with learning the Greek language and most of the Roman controlled Steppes have converted to Orthodoxy, but I refuse to forgo our culture. It is us Civilized warriors of the Steppes that can keep the northern pagans out of the Empire's land. Further more we most certainly do not "bankroll rebellions" as you have put it. In fact I would like to propose that Horse Archers be put into any standing army created as to assist in putting down rebellions so as to strike fear into the hearts of any who would dare think of rebelling against our glorious empire. Blackunknown fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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