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Ratmtattat posted:Obviously, if we didn't have PP, kids would never have sex ever. Kids that the government can then deny foodstamps and a proper education to.
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Reminds me of this:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHcqcXo_NA No  or  allowed.
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MokBa posted:This is why Bush/Cheney was such an easy villain for so many. Bush got to be the stupid, incompetent leader while Cheney was the intelligent, sinister "man behind the curtain" pulling all the strings. You're seriously going to claim that wasn't the reality of the situation?
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HipGnosis posted:So we start with this; Bush and LL101 admitting Obama is incompetent. But then.... It's called splitting. This is why a lot of these LL101 types go on to compare Putin favorably to Obama, because when one thing is "all bad" in your mind, there necessarily has to be an "all good" counterpart. Lemma fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Lemma posted:It's called splitting. This is why a lot of these LL101 types go on to compare Putin favorably to Obama, because when one thing is "all bad: in your mind, there necessarily has to be an "all good" counterpart. What rubbish. Splitting is a symptom of serious mental illness and instability, you're arguing that literally every person who has ever lived under a racist or xenophobic government has had some form of personality disorder. There's absolutely nothing remotely similar between splitting and what's been described. The ability to perceive things as both all powerful and easily defeated at the same time is normal stupidity that comes from a lack of insight.
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Mo_Steel posted:Whoever the head person of LL101 is, if by some extremely low chance you're reading this, I will reimburse the cost to fly you to Canada or Mexico, whichever is cheaper, so you can renounce your citizenship, up to $2,000. Fly out there, give me proof of you renouncing your citizenship and the U.S. government considering your status as an alien, and the money is all yours. I know this is a comedy forum and all and you probably think I am joking. Let me assure you, I am not joking. I cannot emphasize enough how serious I am about this. Don't even have to go this far: just lose your IDs. Tear up your Social Security card, forget the number, lose your driver's license, forget the number, destroy your birth certificate, and then go on down to the McObamacare/Welfare office (there should be six in your half mile radius) and fill out all those forms! Hell, go to the DMV on Monday, fill out all the forms with just your name and, when they ask for the rest of the info, say "Oh no, I'm an illegal immigrant" and they'll take you into the secret back room with cake and free Obamaphones and Obamalicenses and Obamaguns and Obamadrugs and BOOM you're just like an illegal immigrant! But all these people, every single last one of them, when challenged to actually put their money where their mouth is, always responds with "I'm too NOBLE to cheat the system!!!" because either A: they have absolutely no idea how it works, or B: they do, but pretend otherwise, or C: some combination thereof *mumblemumbleTHOSEPEOPLEknowhowtogetaroundthesystemmumblemumble*
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One last time: the creator of LL101 doesn't actually believe the things he posts. Although he is a right-winger, LL101 is a means of advertising his other products to people on the right.
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They get gold platinum plus cards that can only buy rims and flat screen tvs, billed directly to Uncle Sam and paid for with our tax dollars. Oh, and they can get refrigerators too!
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Dr Christmas posted:What "welfare" do illegal immigrants receive, other than not being kicked out of the ER? In Nebraska, they're covered by Medicaid for pre-natal care and delivery, but that's about it. The state doesn't even allow them to get driver's licenses.
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Apparently Common Core now breaks the minds of innocent cancer survivors. Of course, no examples of the dubious math problems were provided, but Common Core must be repealed immediately! Article link
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duffmensch posted:Apparently Common Core now breaks the minds of innocent cancer survivors. Of course, no examples of the dubious math problems were provided, but Common Core must be repealed immediately! Now, this is fascinating. The organization appears to be set up to produce right-wing viral stories, but I'm hitting a total brick wall- I can't tell where their funding is coming from! Digging a bit more, this random blogpost has a putative funding source, but I can't find any confirmation. Here's their managing editor's page- I love the eupheimistic way he makes it sound like he has a PhD when he dropped out. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Spangly A posted:What rubbish. Splitting is a symptom of serious mental illness and instability, you're arguing that literally every person who has ever lived under a racist or xenophobic government has had some form of personality disorder. There's absolutely nothing remotely similar between splitting and what's been described. No, splitting is a defense mechanism; [a defense mechanism] is a totally normal process that everyone uses to cope with anxiety. It has nothing to do with mental illness. Defenses can be used healthily, but they can also be over relied on to an unhealthy degree. People *wanting* Obama to be a communist muslim nazi from Kenya and using it an an opportunity to yell at the tv screen is an example of the later. Lemma fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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duffmensch posted:Apparently Common Core now breaks the minds of innocent cancer survivors. Of course, no examples of the dubious math problems were provided, but Common Core must be repealed immediately! Look at this picture of a crying child, Thanks Obama!
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Lemma posted:No, splitting is a defense mechanism, which is a totally normal process that everyone uses to cope with anxiety. It has nothing to do with mental illness. Defenses can be used healthily, but they can also be over relied on to an unhealthy degree. People *wanting* Obama to be a communist muslim nazi from Kenya and using it an an opportunity to yell at the tv screen is an example of the later. Disassociation is also a defence mechanism, as is derealisation. No, they aren't all normal or healthy. Do you have any relevant background in psych at all? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I very seriously hope not. Primitive defence mechanisms like splitting or disassociation are an indicator of a serious underlying problem. Splitting doesn't refer to one side good, one side bad. You can call it a lot of things, tribalism, othering, xenophobia, racism. It's not splitting.
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Obama is making homework too hard and its making children cry! - The Party of Hard Work and Personal Responsibility
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Fulchrum posted:You're seriously going to claim that wasn't the reality of the situation? I never said it wasn't.
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I feel Cheney's intelligence and Bush's stupidity were both overstated. I feel this despite thinking both of them supported monstrous and self-destructive policies. The left liked depicting the Bush administration, and Cheney in particular, as moustache-twirling villains plotting to destroy america for a profit. I think it's much more likely that Cheney was, like Bush and many others in the factual bubble that was the Bush administration, subject to such massive conflicts of interest and epistemic closure that he was unable to understand how total a failure the invasions would be.
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quote:You can call it a lot of things, tribalism, othering, xenophobia, racism. It's not splitting. Various defense mechanisms (splitting included) may play a prominent role in the things you mentioned. What those behaviors are symptoms of is usually narcissism, ghost in the machine, whatever you want to call it; what they all have in common is that they rely on other people validating their identity based on purely external indicators. (e.g. "Owning a gun/loving a '10' makes you more of a man") Point is, other people have to be able to see whatever it is that makes you who you "are". There may be other factors in specific cases, but personality disorders aren't things you can diagnose. They are only descriptions of a behavior. Splitting is just one tool in our mental arsenal to get us out of having to do real mental work- see the common core article above. All of these "Obama is objectively evil for no reason!" articles give a certain kind of person an easy, if fictitious, target. It makes it so that Obama, and anyone who supports him, is stupid/evil/greedy/cowardly, and by comparison YOU are logical, well-read and beyond reproach. Sure, you don't actually have to do anything to be able to call yourself those things, but just by not being as bad as those baby-killing socialist muslims, you're good enough. The alternative is real introspection, and god forbid, actual work. How many of the people who (unironically) forward those LL101 macros actually take the time to call their congressman, or visit Washington D.C., or take any substantial steps to change these awful conditions they claim they really believe are plaguing our nation? See: every moral panic, ever. Put another way, you know how a lot of people seem to only vote "against" the candidate they hate, without much in the way of specific justification for the guy they claim to prefer? That's splitting. Or when a "nice guy" doesn't get to sleep with a girl in exchange for doing her favors- suddenly she and all women are manipulative bitches. Same process. Spangly A posted:Do you have any relevant background in psych at all? Does it matter? Lemma fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Speaking of Bush here's something topical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx49KA_IW-Y He admits he didn't know where Slovenia was in 2000, but I'm sure as time went on he began to understand the magnitude of his job (while Cheney has been playing power chess for decades).
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Lemma posted:There may be other factors in specific cases, but personality disorders aren't things you can diagnose. They are only descriptions of a behavior. This is objectively wrong, they exist purely as things to be diagnosed and treated. Lemma posted:
I'm going to hope this is a no. I wasn't making an appeal to authority, but I've seen enough gross incompetence from psych staff before to worry that you were endangering patients with "No no, splitting is normal" right before they have a psychotic break and self harm. I'm really hoping it's a no. McDowell posted:Speaking of Bush here's something topical. Come on, I think a lot of us would have some difficulty in pinpointing slovenia on the map. I imagine even he was well briefed enough that he could have made some sort of appropriate decision should a Slovenian crisis occurred. Be fair. To contribute:  I don't get much crazy because I prune for it like a madman. I'm so excited to finally get one in the wild, even if it's about the poor oppressed smokers, and those thieving politicians!!!!
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I've found people who really defend their smoking are always right-wing. BEHOLD: 
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McDowell posted:Obama is making homework too hard and its making children cry! - The Party of Hard Work and Personal Responsibility President Palin would give her a trophy!
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Spangly A posted:I'm going to hope this is a no. I wasn't making an appeal to authority, but I've seen enough gross incompetence from psych staff before to worry that you were endangering patients with "No no, splitting is normal" right before they have a psychotic break and self harm. I'm really hoping it's a no. Okay, that's fair- but to clarify, when I say it's "normal" I mean in the sense that you don't need to have some kind of severe mental illness for it to happen to you. Splitting/projection/etc are things that everyone does to some extent; they're normal in the sense that catching a cold is normal. That's not to say that it should be ignored, especially if being done by someone with a serious enough problem that they are seeing a doctor for it. The only point I'm trying to make by bringing it up is, these defenses provide the explanation for why [everything shared in this thread] appeals to some people. Blarghalt posted:I've found people who really defend their smoking are always right-wing. BEHOLD: The car looks like the embodiment of the voices yelling inside someone's head. My favorite detail is the small, nondescript 'Ron Paul' sitting idly among the storm-tossed sea of glittering madness. Lemma fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Blarghalt posted:I've found people who really defend their smoking are always right-wing. BEHOLD:
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AtraMorS posted:You don't know enough smokers. "My right to 'freedom' is more important than your right to 'not get shot/not breathe my smoke/not have to suck my dick if you want a raise'" is pretty much the definition of right wing.
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Nevvy Z posted:"My right to 'freedom' is more important than your right to 'not get shot/not breathe my smoke/not have to suck my dick if you want a raise'" is pretty much the definition of right wing. That's getting into No True Scotsmen territory. Leftists can be selfish too, it might just be less common.
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RagnarokAngel posted:That's getting into No True Scotsmen territory. Leftists can be selfish too, it might just be less common. I think this calls for a definition of "leftist" and some examples.
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Adolf Hitler, known leftist.
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I would unironically support doing this.
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RagnarokAngel posted:You don't think it's a human condition that people will look out for their own interests? Nah, I think it's perfectly logical. When I get an e-mail asking for money, I'm always agonizing over the fact that being in grad school and unemployed means I have none. Thus far it always comes down to me. But the difference is that I agonize, is what he's talking about. I'm actively thinking about the other person. Certainly I'm not trying to argue that nobody with a right-wing mentality thinks about the well-being of others, but I think it could be argued that conservative philosophy in the modern era hews much more strongly towards selfishness in the extreme. Hence all these memes and tropes and poo poo like gently caress You, Got Mine. Or the whole Bootstraps argument. Or denying that inherent sociological bias is a thing when trying to justify stripping away minority advancement programs. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Well, liberalism as a political philosophy does entail deontological frameworks, which are frequently easily exploited for this sort of "freedom" argument. It's why I get instinctively suspicious whenever someone couches an argument in terms of "rights"- it's similar to a "freedom" argument in that the term is a proxy for "thing I want/like/haven't thought about very much".
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What a whiny little bitch this person is. Boo hoo hoo, I feel so bad you have to actually know the consequences of what you're doing to yourself, gimme a loving break. Either stop lighting up your cancer sticks or get the gently caress over it.
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McDowell posted:Obama is making homework too hard and its making children cry! - The Party of Hard Work and Personal Responsibility Instead of working to console her upset daughter, this person decided to take the time to photograph her anguish in order to use her as a political pawn.
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It's probably not the same everywhere but I totally got to watch mutilated car wrecks and the occasional body in mandatory driving school while getting my license as part of the "don't drive drunk" lesson. It was nothing extremely graphic for someone who grew up on pain.jpg but it got the point across.
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Spangly A posted:To contribute: Also every "Welcome to [City]" sign should have a big picture of diseased lungs under it until they sort their loving air quality out.
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Mornacale posted:They should actually put photos of the victims of drunk drivers on the doors of cars, maybe people would actually use public transportation. Thinking about driving manual? Don't. 
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Nevvy Z posted:"My right to 'freedom' is more important than your right to 'not get shot/not breathe my smoke/not have to suck my dick if you want a raise'" is pretty much the definition of right wing. Seriously, I'm saying this as a left-wing smoker who's heard plenty of left-leaning people express the same sentiment. We know our own. Not everything comes back to ideology.
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