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Wasn't it changed in FES? That's the only PS2 version I've played. I know I didn't like P3 very much, but did I really blot out something that big?
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Feb 24, 2014 15:57
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Nate RFB posted:Wasn't it changed in FES? That's the only PS2 version I've played. I know I didn't like P3 very much, but did I really blot out something that big? It's still in FES.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:04
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Nate RFB posted:Wasn't it changed in FES? That's the only PS2 version I've played. I know I didn't like P3 very much, but did I really blot out something that big? It did change in P3P though.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:08
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MrAristocrates posted:It's still in FES. Are you sure? I never had party members change stuff on me, ever. Or am I misunderstanding something here? EDIT: Talking to your party members to change equipment is still in, yeah, but I'm wondering about that other thing that I didn't know could even happen 
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Feb 24, 2014 16:11
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P3P added a lot of convenience to Persona 3. Fast travel, direct commands, skill cards, practically removing the fatigue system for easier difficulties. For a Persona 4 (and especially a Golden player) it makes FES or Vanilla almost unbearable.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:16
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Dehry posted:P3P added a lot of convenience to Persona 3. Fast travel, direct commands, skill cards, practically removing the fatigue system for easier difficulties. For a Persona 4 (and especially a Golden player) it makes FES or Vanilla almost unbearable. You're not wrong. I played FES before I got P3P and it was still a very good game. P3P is just better. If you have the option, I'd say to play P3P and, if you're on guy mode, get one of those "on this day watch this YouTube" guides kicking around online for the one feature FES has over it.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:22
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MrAristocrates posted:It's still in FES. Of course this doesn't absolve The Answer so much that it makes PS2 The Journey look even worse.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:23
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Nate RFB posted:That's blowing my mind a bit. I would've sworn up and down that it was only The Answer where you'd have to talk to party members to change equipment. You couldn't do it on the fly like in the middle of a dungeon via the menu? I feel certain I messed around with that with accessories or whatever all the time, such as the ones you get from personas that Null certain elements. Nope, if you want to trade out equipment, either in the lobby or Tartarus proper, you go talk to each team member, they say their current blurb, then there's a [Heal Everyone if applicable] - [Change Equipment] - [It was nothing] menu, then you make the change, then they have a response (thanks for upgrade, acceptance of downgrade, special lines for unique costumes) and then you're back to gameplay.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:29
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While I guess having your party members act on their own makes them seem more like individuals than extensions of your will, it's also really frustrating 90% of the time and makes them all seem like total morons. There's a fair bit of being stupid in Persona 4 specifically as it is, they really don't need the help. I wish it defaulted to you having direct control because I always forgot to change them manually the first time I used a new character, and they always disappointed me with what their AI chose to do.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:47
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Dehry posted:P3P added a lot of convenience to Persona 3. Fast travel, direct commands, skill cards, practically removing the fatigue system for easier difficulties. For a Persona 4 (and especially a Golden player) it makes FES or Vanilla almost unbearable. I feel like removing the three physical typings took away a lot from the game. I suppose they still differentiated some extent in P4 what Akasha Arts, Deathbound, Myriad Arrows etc do but maybe I'm just crazy and liked the typings.
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Feb 24, 2014 16:56
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Zoness posted:I feel like removing the three physical typings took away a lot from the game. I suppose they still differentiated some extent in P4 what Akasha Arts, Deathbound, Myriad Arrows etc do but maybe I'm just crazy and liked the typings. I was a fan. It made the different weapon classes feel different, added a complexity to the physical game to make it more like the elemental one. One major drawback is it made it where you had 9 weakness/resistances to check, which makes it harder to make a "immune to everything" Persona.O
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Feb 24, 2014 17:45
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projecthalaxy posted:I was a fan. It made the different weapon classes feel different, added a complexity to the physical game to make it more like the elemental one. One major drawback is it made it where you had 9 weakness/resistances to check, which makes it harder to make a "immune to everything" Persona.O Also, I haven't played P3P in a while but IIRC the MC can only use one weapon class -- did P3P retain the weapon mastery skills that you could learn on personae? Because that seems kind of awkward. It's a shame because in FES the hammer / fist animations for the MC were pretty awesome. I don't disagree that the core gameplay for P3P is probably more accessible than that of FES but I think the bells and whistles of FES more than make up for the clunkier gameplay. Also party members not being controllable wasn't that crippling - the game was 'balanced' around the MC being able to knockdown-lock enemies. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 17:47
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The Slash/Pierce/Strike thing was still in P3P, only the MC was given a short sword thus all his attacks were slash. They replaced the various weapons masters with Arms Master since there was no need for other weapons master abilities(which was an addition to Persona 4 due to the same weapon issue.)
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Feb 24, 2014 18:10
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Dehry posted:The Slash/Pierce/Strike thing was still in P3P, only the MC was given a short sword thus all his attacks were slash. They replaced the various weapons masters with Arms Master since there was no need for other weapons master abilities(which was an addition to Persona 4 due to the same weapon issue.) Or, for the sake of completeness, a naginata and Pierce. But yeah Arms Master replaces all the individual skills, except teammates' 2nd personas learn Fist Master, Spear Master, etc.
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Feb 24, 2014 18:13
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Ratoslov posted:Yes. I was a great big Aigis fan and I really wanted Persona 3: Robot Waifu edition, and not.... all that poo poo you said. One day my friend. One day.
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Feb 24, 2014 18:32
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Ratoslov posted:Yes. I was a great big Aigis fan and I really wanted Persona 3: Robot Waifu edition, and not.... all that poo poo you said.
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Feb 24, 2014 18:56
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And even then her Pinocchio story was basically already solved in just her S-Link. She gets emotions, Minato pokes her in the neck, she manifests tear ducts , we all go home slightly less for the whole experience and wondering where our gritty Ken sequel is.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:11
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Ken is the worst though. Literally the worst.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:28
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Manatee Cannon posted:Ken is the worst though. Literally the worst. People said the same thing about Raiden though.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:29
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Terper posted:People said the same thing about Raiden though. If Platinum made a spinoff where Ken became a Cyborg fusion with his Persona and spinning-sliced through enemies I would be okay with that. Persona Rising: Revengeance.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:30
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Ken is pretty much Nightwing with death magic. If you're not down with that, well, we see things differently.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:31
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I didn't really have a big problem with Ken. I did read about his Social Link in P3P and went "Hmm. Hmmm. Hmmmmmmmm." But ignoring things that no one wants to talk about, ever, I didn't have a problem with Ken. I was indifferent about Aigis at first but reading through the Arena LP, I grew to kinda like her a bit.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:06
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You're right, Ken is fine if you haven't seen that s-link.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:36
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People seemed to dislike Ken even before P3P though. Personally I wanted to not dislike him but every single one of his voice clips grates on me for some reason.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:39
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ApplesandOranges posted:People seemed to dislike Ken even before P3P though.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:43
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Ken is just disdained because he replaces Shinjiro, who was, while admittedly maybe trying a little too hard, way more cool.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:40
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Mind if I ask what the deal is with this Ken dude and why his S-Link is so bad?
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Feb 24, 2014 21:42
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Mind if I ask what the deal is with this Ken dude and why his S-Link is so bad? He is a slink added for FeMC 
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Feb 24, 2014 21:46
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Mind if I ask what the deal is with this Ken dude and why his S-Link is so bad? Ken is a little kid and I guess some people didn't like his attitude or personality or whatever. His S-Link with the Female Protagonist of P3P can end in a relationship. Considering he is, again, a kid, I don't think I have to say any more about that.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:47
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Mind if I ask what the deal is with this Ken dude and why his S-Link is so bad? Well. Storyline: He indirectly gets Shinjiro killed (hospitalized if Shinjiro's link is maxed by the female MC before this cutscene), because he blamed Shinjiro for the death of his mother. Social Link: There is a romantic option for his social link, as the female MC.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:50
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Part of why I dislike Ken is the fact he's 10 year old. I mean, yeah, it's a story where 17 year old kids fight in a 25th hour by shooting themselve in the head to summon spectral guardians, but for some reason, him being so drat young just grates me to no end. Had they made him noticably younger, but still older, it would have been fine, but as he stands, he, Koromary (coolness excluded), and Aigis don't really fit as well in the group for me.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:56
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My favorite part of Persona 3 is the fact that Junpei and Kuromaru basically have the exact same skillset. Junpei's mind is exactly like that of a small dog's.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:58
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Ah. I see. Christ, I'll be avoiding that like the plague then.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:58
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Endorph posted:My favorite part of Persona 3 is the fact that Junpei and Kuromaru basically have the exact same skillset. Junpei's mind is exactly like that of a small dog's. This makes as much sense as saying "Chie = Teddie because they both use Ice skills". Junpei is your starting fire user that switches to physical skills while Koromaru picks up as the main fire user that also gets Dark Skills.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:00
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Zoness posted:This makes as much sense as saying "Chie = Teddie because they both use Ice skills". Junpei is your starting fire user that switches to physical skills while Koromaru picks up as the main fire user that also gets Dark Skills.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:05
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Endorph posted:I was making a joke, dude. Look man all I'm sayin' is Junpei is a total bro while Koromaru doesn't do anything. I started playing P3 thinking Junpei was a jerk but honestly he's probably one of the better characters in the game. While I did my first playthrough of P3 my roommate at the time had the entirely opposite opinion v  v.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:07
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Junpei's even better in the female route, honestly. You get a Social Link with him and he's your awesome best bro.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:09
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Junpei's a bro, he's one of my favorite party members in the Persona series. Plot-wise, that is, gameplay-wise he kinda lags behind for the vast majority of the game.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:10
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Yea, Junpei's social link is pretty great.Zoness posted:I started playing P3 thinking Junpei was a jerk but honestly he's probably one of the better characters in the game. You are probably supposed to think Junpei acts like a jerk right after joining the team.
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Junpei has the best character arc in the series, I think the way P3 handled character growth through the actual story worked better than "and now I am solved" in P4 when you beat up the shadows. Yeah, they still grow as characters through the s-links but so do the P3 characters. I think P3 has a stronger story over all but P4 has a better cast over all. Female MC and Koromaru are the best though.
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