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The Anatolia-so Directive The Empress is directed to conquer all Turkish holdings in central Anatolia.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:17
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I second this Before we can retake the West we must restore the East. Roman East Directive In keeping with this the Empress is directed to reclaim Antioch, as one of the greatest and wealthiest cities of Roman antiquity and the seat of one of our holy Pentarchs. The reclaimed land should be placed under the administration of an Imperial Governor. Gnooble fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 21:22
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The Venetian Offensive The Empress is direct to make Venice a vassal of Byzantium.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:28
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Gnooble posted:
Seconded.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:32
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The New Byzantines majority is actually one larger as it seems my vote on page 17 was missed. Unless of course it was deliberate election fraud perpetrated by the damned turks!Rogue0071 posted:
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I second both these proposals, the first because as long as those holdings remain they shall fester like an unclean wound. The second because it fulfils a dual purpose: increasing the number of Republics within the Empire and so further solidifying our control of the Mediterranean trade, and providing us with a foothold in Italy with which to reclaim the mantle of the Western Roman Empire.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:33
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Just to refresh everyone's memory, here's the world map: And the current State of the World BwenGun posted:The New Byzantines majority is actually one larger as it seems my vote on page 17 was missed. Unless of course it was deliberate election fraud perpetrated by the damned turks! Sorry I missed your vote! I'll add you to the list. However, as a New Byzantine you can only second Old Roman proposals!
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Feb 24, 2014 21:36
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Talky posted:
Now I know voting is over, but I just need to comment that if there WERE a conversion to Islam it'd obviously be the job of the rest of Islam to switch over to Greek as a liturgical language, that's clearly non-negotiable.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:41
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Internal Restoration Directive Romans! For too long have greedy merchants, arrogant priests, and the rotten hands of foreigners and infidels pilfered our coffers while heroes fight and die against our enemies. We must be rid of our merchant republics, major landholding bishops, Bro Dad fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 21:42
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Rincewind posted:Sorry I missed your vote! I'll add you to the list. However, as a New Byzantine you can only second Old Roman proposals! Thanks! And... urm... yeah, that was totally me making a deliberate mistake so others wouldn't and not me reading things too quickly and getting things wrong.  Gnooble posted:
For the moment then I shall throw my support behind this. BwenGun fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 21:46
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Gnooble posted:Roman East Directive Seconded. Therefore, the Roman East Directive passes. EDIT: Well poo poo, it already passed before me. Well, gently caress it, I'm still seconding it! TheMcD fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 21:51
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Have some more things!    
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Feb 24, 2014 21:53
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ChrisAsmadi posted:
Seconded. Also, to propose: The Empress is directed to conquer Rome.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:53
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The Old Romans and the Milvians should be earnest friends. I suggest to them a directive stating that any new vassal MUST be Greek and Orthodox. I would also like to join the New Marian and Expansionist coalitions. Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 22:01
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Rincewind posted:Sleep of Bronze <--- New Byzantine MVP btw  Gnooble posted:Roman East Directive κάλον ψήφισμα ὅ ἐπισπεύδω. A fine proposal which I second.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:02
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It seems like my vote of was forgotten. This is obviously an evil plan to try to weaken the power of the Guiding Light. But that will never happen. We may have lost this election, but Islam is coming to Rome, and it cannot be stopped.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:07
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It pains me to see the senate merely voting for mindless expansionism. Are we not one in our hatred of the douxes? Do we not agree that them and the patricians have been the cause of some of the deepest divisions in our Empire? I agree that reclaiming Anatolia and Antioch should be our greatest priorities while the Turks are weak, but you want to add the Doge of Venice to our courtly intrigue as well? Being that we Milvians have failed to win enough influence I can then only implore Her Highness the Empress to at least consider giving the Anatolian or eastwards reconquests to Church administration.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:09
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Rogue0071 posted:
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I second both of these, though I believe vassalising Venice passed without need for my input? I also present the following: The Preemptive Strike The Empress is directed to immediately revoke the themes of all douxes found to be leading or involved with dissident factions against the crown, on the first offence, with these titles to be given to family members or loyal courtiers instead. Or, for our amusement, whichever of the doux's vassals they hate the most. An addendum: We should consider making more merchant republics and despotates to reduce the power of the douxes even further. Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 22:13
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:
I will second this. With any luck, we can conquer Rome and let ourselves be called Romans, once again.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:25
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ChrisAsmadi posted:
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I also second these two directives, and would propose an additional directive of my own. The Jerusalem Pilgrimage Should the Empress find herself in a position to expand after having retaken central Anatolia, she should attempt to conquer the Mediterranean coastline to Jerusalem.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:29
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Gnooble posted:Roman East Directive AdventFalls posted:The Jerusalem Pilgrimage I would like to second this proposal. And along with that present one of my own: The Cilician Integration Directive The Basilissa should strive towards integrating the Doukessa of Cilicia as a proper part of the Empire, by diplomacy or by force. As it stands a Christian minority of Anatolia stands defenceless should Turkish Persia declare them a viable target for conquest, and we cannot let that happen. We must secure they are safe and protected within our borders, under the protection of the Basilissa and the Senate. Luhood fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 22:30
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AdventFalls posted:The Jerusalem Pilgrimage Seconding this.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:35
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Luhood posted:
Since this will help us to secure Antioch - Seconded
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Feb 24, 2014 22:36
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Luhood posted:
And have yet another doukessa looking to stab our fair Empress in the back the moment she turns round? Your reasoning is sound, Senator, and I agree with the strategic need to incorporate Cilicia, but I'm not sure I can fully second the directive until we are sure the doukessa will be loyal or can be replaced by someone who will be, or unless my cautionary directive is heeded.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:37
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Gnooble posted:
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I second/third/whatever number I am all of these. Territory and the destruction of any traitorous Douxes? This sounds like the best possible set of things to do.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:38
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I agree. That heretic doukessa should be replaced by a Greek Orthodox archbishop.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:38
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Luhood posted:
Though I am not a member of either of the two ascendent factions, I strongly endorse this plan, especially in light of the Antioch proposal. It would give the Empire full control of the Anatolian coastline and is a launching point into the Levant.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:42
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If the rules of the Empress are binding (first three directives to 2 seconds from the opposing faction win), then we already have the trio as: >Anatolia-so Directive: Reclaim central Anatolia >Roman East: Reclaim Antioch >Venetian Offensive: Vassalize Venice This assumes that the Empress does not amend her request to 'the most popular three directives'. Other noted directives that have seconds from the necessary factions: >Jerusalem Pilgrimage: Conquer central Anatolia, then coast of the Med to Jerusalem (2, fulfills requirements) >Conquer Rome: Obvious (1) >Preemptive: gently caress traitor douxes. (1) >Cilician: Integrate the Douxess of Cilicia (1) AdventFalls fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 22:47
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In fact, in light of your point, Senator, I would direct a question to the Empress: What is to happen when all three directives are completed? Do we do this anew, go down the list of directives that had the required seconds, crucify all the douxes to celebrate?
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Feb 24, 2014 22:51
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I will politely point out to my fellow Senators, that the Jerusalem Pilgrimage directive by definition necessitates the points put forth in both the Anatolia-so Directive and the Roman East Directive. Should the Empress allow for additional jockeying between Directives, this should be considered.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:57
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AdventFalls posted:
The Cilician objective as well. It may more or less absorb those directives, but's such a weighty directive that I'd argue it might as well take up multiple slots. If the Empress only had to tackle the Jerusalem Pilgrimage and Venice I think that would be fair.
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Feb 24, 2014 23:00
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: Wow! Getting you guys to work together was easy, since everyone can agree that we should conquer everyone!: So, like like Senator AdventFalls has suggested, three most popular directives will be passed. Remember, you can only vote for directives proposed by the alternate party! Otherwise you're just tooting your own horn. Nobody likes a horn-tooter! I decided to do that since it's been like an hour and I want more people to get a chance to participate. If you withdraw sponsorship please make it incredibly obvious and put some sirens or something in your post. Deadline is in 24 hours (5PM EST tomorrow) BILLS: The Anatolia-so Directive Rogue0071 (NB) Gnooble (OR) Flesnolk (OR) Roman East Directive Gnooble (OR) Technowolf (NB) BwenGun (NB) TheMcD (NB) Sleep of Bronze (NB) Pyroi (NB) The Venetian Offensive ChrisAsmadi (NB) DivineCoffeBinge (OR) Flesnolk (OR) Internal Restoration Directive Bro Dad (OR) Conquer Rome (!) DivineCoffeBinge (OR) Meinberg (NB) The Preemptive Strike Flesnolk (OR) Pyroi (NB) The Jerusalem Pilgrimage AdventFalls (OR) TheMcD (NB) Pyroi (NB) The Cilician Integration Directive Luhood (NB) Gnooble (OR)
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Feb 24, 2014 23:00
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Flesnolk posted:
Impotent Doux Directive I propose to take away the uncertainties mentioned by senator Flesnolk, by proposing that, if we can not absolve ourselves of douxes alltogether through crucifixion, perhaps we can indeed keep them all locked up and castrated?
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Feb 24, 2014 23:13
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I'd like to second the Roman East Directive and The Jerusalem Pilgrimage. They seem the best directives for our glorious Empress to follow in my eyes.
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Feb 24, 2014 23:13
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Flesnolk posted:
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Gnooble posted:Roman East Directive I second all of these proposals.
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Feb 24, 2014 23:15
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Ubern00b posted:
Non-senate talk, game mechanics: Castrating prisoners automatically releases them, and they and their entire family hate you basically for ever. So that wouldn't really work.
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Feb 24, 2014 23:18
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I skipped out on the races today to see this? Blegh. What utter nonsense this farce called voting is. I suppose that as a bit player in it I should vote for Pilgrimage, as travel narrows the mind wonderfully; seeing how backwards the rest of the world is will only make stronger the intent of the Empress to civilize the world and for Venetian Offensive, as they are offensive and we should remind them that imperial possessions may rebel but never for long.
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Feb 24, 2014 23:22
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While I can applaud the New Byzantines for their forwardness, I think immediately spear-heading an assault on Venice might be early. The wealth of the Venetians could very well bring to their cause many thousands of mercenaries. I will, however, joyously give my own ascent to The Cilician Integration Directive an The Anatolia-so Directive
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Oh, that's nice. I thought composing this would take long enough that it wouldn't be relevant any more because we'd have all three proposals locked. Now it's quite timely. Ὠ βουλευταί, φυλάσσεσθε· μὴ ἀναγκάζωμεν τῆν ἀρχῆν μάχεσθαι ἇμα πλείονες ἐχθρούς. βλέπομεν γάρ πρός μεγάλην βασιλεία πρός ἑώ, ὥστε καὶ σπεύδειν τινα δεινόν ἀγῶν᾽ ἄν εἴη ἄβουλον. ταχύ μέν ἡμεῖς παρέχοντες κρατεῖς ἄν ἀρκοίη, χρή δ᾽ ἐννοεῖν τόν πόλεμον ἐπιμελῶς. αὖθις ἐξηγέομαι τῳ σώφρονι. O senators, a word of caution to you: let us not cause our empire to fight on too many fronts at once. We confront a great power eastwards, so it would be unwise to force some terrible conflict to our West as well. A swift show of strength may suffice, but war must be thought on with great care. Again, I urge the senate to take prudence as our watchword. Sleep of Bronze fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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I will support both the Roman East Directive and the Conquer Rome proposal, both are very fine proposals of our esteemed senators in the New Roman party.
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