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Finn isn't the the last human in Ooo anymore! (She'd better stay clear of Rainicorns.)
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I really liked the episode too. I enjoyed how much Betty just rolled with it as well (I bet there's a scene after her killing Bella Noche where she actually realizes this place is loving insane), and the pacing was fast but I didn't think it was awkward necessarily. I mean, yeah, I would've liked it 30 minutes, but I would like it if most episodes were 30 minutes. I do hope Betty sticks around for a while. She seems like a person who would fill that role model spot for Finn, honestly. Cityinthesea fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 04:18
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Great episode if a touch too fast. Now we have a whole new adult human character to play with. Yay! This episode also reminded me how much I want to see another Death centric episode. He's so amazing.
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Feb 25, 2014 04:36
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Cityinthesea posted:I do hope Betty sticks around for a while. She seems like a person who would fill that role model spot for Finn, honestly. Somehow. It was nice that Simon and Marcy got a (brief) reunion.  Marcy was holding her bass so high, I didn't realize she was wearing a new outfit.  And of course, screenshots of the coolest AT character ever...  Where the heck does she keep that bow? 
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Feb 25, 2014 04:43
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Acquire Currency! posted:Hahah holy poo poo this is going to be the best part. This thread is about to turn into a goddamn novel. I am utterly stunned I came to this thread and people actually didn't like the episode wherein Simon comes back and Betty shows up. Guess you guys wished on that monkey's paw one too many times. Say Nothing posted:
I was almost positive they were setting up for a dumb "drop the bass" joke. Maybe they were and the punchline just got cut off.
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Feb 25, 2014 05:02
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Man, that episode was hilarious. I loved the breakneck pacing; dialogue is AT's biggest strength to me and all those lines on top of eachother were something else.
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Feb 25, 2014 05:05
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muscles like this? posted:She told the carpet to take her there. Also from that book it seems like she knows all about wizard stuff. Bella. Her.
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Feb 25, 2014 05:06
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Was that Ash that Simon stole the carpet from? I looked away from the screen at that part and I couldn't really tell.
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Feb 25, 2014 05:17
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Spiffster posted:Well that episode went by a mile a minute. that really should have been a half an hour episode... Huge agreement, and I think that's the first time I genuinely felt an episode was hurt by the 15-minute format. It felt like there wasn't a single down, breather moment. Also agreeing with whoever said Betty's acting was mediocre and that hurt her impact. Death was cool and Betty's punch'n'kick takedown of Bella Noche was also a fun fit for the show. Interesting to see Simon Petrikov exhibiting a Princess Bubblegum-esque scientific approach to magic. Marceline's weird out-of-body experience thing was pretty trippy and cool, except then it was followed with an emotionless infodump. I really hope Simon doesn't come back, at the very least not with magic or anything. Ice King has had pretty great character development so far, but that wouldn't be character development, that'd just be over-writing a good character with a less nuanced, less interesting one. Cityinthesea posted:Was that Ash that Simon stole the carpet from? I looked away from the screen at that part and I couldn't really tell. Yes.
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Feb 25, 2014 05:19
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Say Nothing posted:And this episode puts an end to the '(random character) is Betty' debate. Maja is Betty from the future driven to evil trying to save Simon by using time travel again 
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Feb 25, 2014 05:57
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I liked that the magic spell was made using a dirty bidet and a vaporizer "not the ideal lab conditions".
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Feb 25, 2014 06:05
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This was a good episode and I wish it had been two episodes. I'm guessing this was going to be the main part of the plot for the canceled TV movie thing?
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Feb 25, 2014 06:37
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Bongo Bill posted:This was a good episode and I wish it had been two episodes. I'm guessing this was going to be the main part of the plot for the canceled TV movie thing? I think that's the finale.
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Feb 25, 2014 06:50
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TwoPair posted:I was almost positive they were setting up for a dumb "drop the bass" joke. Maybe they were and the punchline just got cut off. Bass joke was just a bass joke. Nobody has ever played a bass and not realized how cool it looks at crotch level and how much easier it is to play at chest level. I'm glad Marcy is focused on technique.
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Feb 25, 2014 06:51
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Bella Noche promises "the lost system of antediluvian magic." There was no magic on Ooo in its distant past, so of course that makes perfect sense.
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Feb 25, 2014 06:56
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Betty's last name is "frog" spelled backwards. Why is her name "frog" spelled backwards? e: Wait, no. I'm dyslexic.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:09
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Usually I don't mind them moving quick and ending in an odd place, but it's getting kind of annoying lately.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:11
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Das Boo posted:Betty's last name is "frog" spelled backwards. It's a reference anyway.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:16
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Das Boo posted:Betty's last name is "frog" spelled backwards. It isn't, but if it were, it would be a reference to this.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:27
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Grof, Dutch for rough, coarse, or rude. Serbo-Croatian, Slovene for Count or Earl. From the German Grob. Betty is Grob Gob Glob Grod? Oh Glob! Oh, and of course Bella is Spanish for beautiful, Noche is night (feminine noun). But that's an obvious one. Say Nothing fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 07:54
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I wish this episode had like 60 more seconds to let some of the beats hit home. edit: Betty punching out the monster felt so nice to watch.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:57
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I enjoyed it. It did feel a little rushed -- I wish they could have done a two-parter and fleshed things out a bit in places (more Marcy/Finn/Jake reacting to / interacting with Simon, maybe a bit more Betty getting up to speed on things, etc). Having Betty around in present-day Ooo has potential for more interesting stuff down the road at least.
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Feb 25, 2014 08:09
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Bella Noche is a decaying, undead Nommo.
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Feb 25, 2014 08:19
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This was a good episode. Really enjoyable, if only it could have been a 2 parter so everything had time to breath. It certainly was important enough to warrant being 2 episodes. I'm intrigued where they plan to take this. Is there a realistic chance that Ice King will ever get cured, at least before the final episode in 202X? I want to say yes, but he's so important to the status quo. Maybe they'll come up with some compromise solution? Like spitting Ice King's brain in half with magic.
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Feb 25, 2014 08:26
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This might be a big stretch, but I'd like to think this episode was the answer to everyone who was whining that the women don't have enough agency
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Feb 25, 2014 08:30
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The Ice King is too entertaining to write out until the end is nigh. The mere possibility of a cure, to say nothing of the knowledge that Betty is out there, is enough to keep his scenarios fresh for another season or three, and his inappropriateness, spontaneity, cluelessness, and narcissism were a rare comedy dynamo even before he became tragic.
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Feb 25, 2014 08:32
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Bongo Bill posted:The Ice King is too entertaining to write out until the end is nigh. The mere possibility of a cure, to say nothing of the knowledge that Betty is out there, is enough to keep his scenarios fresh for another season or three, and his inappropriateness, spontaneity, cluelessness, and narcissism were a rare comedy dynamo even before he became tragic. All bets are off when the show approaches its finale though.
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Feb 25, 2014 08:38
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The fact that time travel is possible in the Ooovian universe makes me think we might see a past character again... ...magic using sentimental links to the past and all that stuff... 
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Feb 25, 2014 08:41
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Say Nothing posted:The fact that time travel is possible in the Ooovian universe makes me think we might see a past character again...
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Feb 25, 2014 08:46
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JT Jag posted:She's straight up dead though. And it looks like the time travel operates on a stable time loop basis: the reason Simon lost track of Betty is because she lept into the time portal. The only timeframe where they could interact with her is before she ever met Bubblegum because her timeline after that is known to us, and she couldn't come back to the present without donking up the timescape.
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Feb 25, 2014 09:23
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One thing I realized, after the fact, relating to Betty being pretty unphased by Ooo, magic, etc, is that we do learn that she co-authored "Mystic Rituals and Their Space Time Applications" with Simon... A bunch of other quality titles on that bookshelf too: 
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Feb 25, 2014 10:13
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Hmmm that lab and the extensive library are still underneath Ice King's castle, and he seems to still have no idea they are there. Perhaps a future episode where he accidentally runs into Betty as she's working down there? I am not sure if I liked the episode or not. I might have to re-watch this a few times before I form an opinion, because the speed with which things happened is, well it's already been discussed. While I really liked how competent Betty is, it did irk me a bit of how completely unfazed she was by the whole thing. Yes, we know she's studied magic and rituals and such in the past, as evidenced by all the books, but you'd still expect at least some kind of acknowledgment of her new surroundings. Perhaps we might get a reaction from her if she every figures out what happens to the world after she jumped through that portal?
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Jesse Moynihan wanted it to be a two-parter (http://jessemoynihan.com/?p=2161):quote:When I wrote the original concept of this story I was trying to follow up on the secret wizard society thread that I’d been tracking over several episodes. It developed naturally into a story about the return of Simon. I wanted it to be a double episode, but there was already a double episode in the works so I had to fit all this poo poo into one bullet. It was tough to hit all those beats, so the only way I could do it was to give it a hectic time-bomb scenario. It’s so crazy writing for TV sometimes. Mostly you just have to pray that whatever horse you’re betting on is the right one to resonate with viewers. You hope that they get the emotional beats and that it’s conceptually satisfying, exciting and funny. I’m really proud of the scenes with Death. And I think there’s enough in this episode to get rewards from multiple viewings. There's a lot of little moments in there (like the look Gunther and Betty exchange at the very end). Upon rewatching, I've decided that I definitely like it, but am sad that it could not have been a 22 minute epic -- so many AT episodes perfectly fit in the 11 minute format, but this one was definitely bursting at the seams. I can't imagine that we *won't* see more of Betty down the road, so hopefully there will be opportunities to further explore Simon/Betty/Marcy/Finn/Jake interactions... it'd be interesting if Betty evolved into a somewhat regular character (she's got some time to try to devise a cure for Simon now that the crown is keeping him alive again) and we got some viewpoints of Ooo from a newcomer with a different perspective.
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Feb 25, 2014 10:58
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It is starting to feel like this show is getting a little too ambitious for its 15 minute format. This episode and red throne both had to go a mile a minute to get where they wanted.
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Feb 25, 2014 11:10
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11 minutes is not enough for this show now, but it's still really convenient. It's a nice middle ground between the quick blurb of a youtube video and the huge time investment that a 20 minute show has become.
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Feb 25, 2014 11:57
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Watching this episode most definitely made me need to listen to the Cheers theme repeatedly. I think the most satisfying part was Ash getting punched out, to be honest.
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Feb 25, 2014 12:02
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Yeah, I hope we get more episodes where Ash cameos long enough to have someone punch him in the face and that's it. I love hating that jerk! I am sad that they didn't realise that J-Moyns is right and it should have been two parts. Then things could have happened in a less rushed pace, and they'd have had time to include actual emotional stuff, like more time on the Simon/Betty reunion, maybe a reaction from Marcy when Simon turns back into the Ice King, that kind of thing. This episode could have been another I Remember You or Simon and Marcy, if it only had more time. Which reminds me, I miss Rebecca Sugar. It sucks to know all my personal favourite episodes will be in the past, because it turns out she did almost all of the ones that are my favourites. Yeah I'm selfish.
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Feb 25, 2014 13:14
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Re. the 11-min limit, sure that's a hindrance for some episodes, but I think it's overstating things to call it a problem for the show. A lot of artists do their best work not necessarily within constraints, but in spite of them. Forcing a limit forces a focus, and that's not a bad thing. A few episodes a season might suffer, but think of how many episodes would just fall flat with 22-24 mins of time. Oy. Brevity is the key to the show's longevity, and you gotta take the bad *with* the good.
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I agree that the time hurt the episode. This would have been better as a two-parter. Say Nothing posted:Marcy was holding her bass so high, I didn't realize she was wearing a new outfit. That outfit is basically just the one she wore as a kid without sleeves and with legs instead of as a dress. Its hugely similar anyway.  Kinda cool imo. Jenx posted:While I really liked how competent Betty is, it did irk me a bit of how completely unfazed she was by the whole thing. Yes, we know she's studied magic and rituals and such in the past, as evidenced by all the books, but you'd still expect at least some kind of acknowledgment of her new surroundings. Perhaps we might get a reaction from her if she every figures out what happens to the world after she jumped through that portal? Well, she was also watching Simon zapping magic around in the past. She probably already went through the 'oh poo poo, magics real yo' phase before the portal opened. Then everything happened too fast for her to have time to react to anything.
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