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Welp hope any of you guys who wanted Cryptic Command got them before PTBNG; it looks like LRW $55 and MMA $45 is the new normal price now.
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Hollismason posted:I haven't played MTG in like 14 years, but I am really interested in playing again as I enjoyed it and just stopped. Anyway I am thinking I'll play some sealed tournaments and booster drafts as I always found those fun, plus I am now in Chicago so there are a good number of stores dedicated to MTG etc.. If the last time you played Magic was when it still had a batch system instead of a stack then a lot has changed. I would recommend getting Duels of the Planeswalkers as it teaches the rules of modern Magic fairly well.
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Promoted Pawn posted:Welp hope any of you guys who wanted Cryptic Command got them before PTBNG; it looks like LRW $55 and MMA $45 is the new normal price now. haha. Oh my. Everytime this happens I have this temptation to sell out of magic, I swear in 2014 my collection value is probably up like 20% or something.
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Feb 25, 2014 15:09
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Draft is a completely valid way to play Magic. Just sayin'.
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Veyrall posted:Draft is the best way to play Magic. Just sayin'. There, I fixed that for you.
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jassi007 posted:haha. Oh my. Everytime this happens I have this temptation to sell out of magic, I swear in 2014 my collection value is probably up like 20% or something. Before Modern became a thing I bought a ton of the playable cards for 1-2 bux. It is very tempting now that the binder full of $1-5 cards is now a binder of $5-40 cards.
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Snacksmaniac posted:Before Modern became a thing I bought a ton of the playable cards for 1-2 bux. It is very tempting now that the binder full of $1-5 cards is now a binder of $5-40 cards. Every so often my mom reminds me that a friend of hers gave her a box of magic cards for me if/when I was interested in it later on. She has no idea where it is  Of course I've got no illusions that it's just jam packed full of Mox, but this would have been 10-12 years ago so who knows?
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Death Bot posted:Every so often my mom reminds me that a friend of hers gave her a box of magic cards for me if/when I was interested in it later on. She has no idea where it is I keep telling my mom that I have a box of cards from the 90's laying around in her house somewhere. She keeps promising to find them for me. Who knows what is in that old box that I packed up...I'd settle for another 1-2 copies of the Grim Tutor I found in the one deck I had from back in the day.
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We're trying to get a buddy in to magic - 3 of us are constructed vets and he's only ever watched us play a few times. To level the playing field and give him a good easy tutorial on how to play (just the basics) we did a Wizard's Tower with a BNG Fatpack. I don't think I've ever had more fun playing a limited format. It's like sealed and draft and commander all rolled in to one, and it was a great intro to basic turn structure and "what spells are" for the new player. Highly recommend people give it a try if they're jonesing for a) cracking packs b) kitchen table limited c) introducing new players.
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I'm still laughing at the fact that back when I started playing again in Zendikar, people passed foil marsh flats and scalding tarns to me just to win the draft. Ten-dollar fetches. Those were the good days. The really sad part is when people who I knew were playing back then complain about these prices when they had ample opportunity to buy them and were reminded of that fact often. I feel sorry for people just trying to get into modern. And I too am consistently surprised at how expensive these modern staples are now since I got them way back when they were $1-5 and never had to trade for more. People used to pass through $7-10 cryptic commands, Karns, and stoneforges. I'm still amazed at how ridiculous these prices are. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 16:10
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I've been holding a MMA box to draft and I'm tempted to just rip it open as my scheduling seems to never work out.
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Fox of Stone posted:I'm still laughing at the fact that back when I started playing again in Zendikar, people passed foil marsh flats and scalding tarns to me just to win the draft. Ten-dollar fetches. Those were the good days. The really sad part is when people who I knew were playing back then complain about these prices when they had ample opportunity to buy them and were reminded of that fact often. I feel sorry for people just trying to get into modern. It's funny how everything you said, people were saying about Legacy back when I started playing in M10. "Oh man, I don't know how people are supposed to get into Legacy now, with $35 Wastelands and $50 Forces and $75 Seas." (Currently on SCG for $100, $100, and $200, respectively.) E: But hindsight is like that. We're in the MTG thread so we're talking about being dumb about not holding fetches, but on Sept 25, 2009 (Zen prerelease date according to Wiki) you could have had Apple for $182, and that peaked over $700 and you could sell it today for over $500. Or if you want to get really silly, you could have had Apple for $7 when the Onslaught fetches were released. Huxley fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 16:25
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Snacksmaniac posted:I've been holding a MMA box to draft and I'm tempted to just rip it open as my scheduling seems to never work out. Seconded, but the whole box is much more likely to be worth more than its contents. An unopened MMA booster box is worth $300+shipping right now and can only go up; TCGPlayer right now is about 20 boxes away from that figure being $350.
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Feb 25, 2014 16:44
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Huxley posted:It's funny how everything you said, people were saying about Legacy back when I started playing in M10. Any time I think about speculating on something I remind myself that I thought the movie Titanic was going to bomb.
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Feb 25, 2014 16:47
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Yeah, my father bought into Apple at something like 8.50 a share. I should have listened to him and put my paper route money into stock instead of Nintendo games 
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Yeah, it was pretty much the best and only time to really get into legacy. It was really easy to turn all my standard stuff into legacy playables and I still have a stack of Jaces from when 2 vampire nocts equaled one Jace. I still urge people I know who talk about getting into legacy not to get into it, just like I did back then. Use the money for real assets and stocks instead. I guess it's more that I find wizard cardboard too surreal to talk about seriously, unlike my ~real finances and stocks~. It's more a dumb thing to do cuz trading's fun and "wowzers! my karns are 60bux! I could turn them into a new laptop!" is a fun thing to say. It's really sad when I see people who are decent at speculating cards waste their talent on that instead of trying to be day traders. Even sadder is when I know people who have turned wizard trading into a part- or full-time job. They could do real things and get real work experience in the financial world instead. And yeah, I'm glad I let my friend talk me into buying apple stock way back cuz of that dumb ipod thing.
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Fox of Stone posted:Yeah, it was pretty much the best and only time to really get into legacy. It was really easy to turn all my standard stuff into legacy playables and I still have a stack of Jaces from when 2 vampire nocts equaled one Jace. I still urge people I know who talk about getting into legacy not to get into it, just like I did back then. Use the money for real assets and stocks instead. I guess it's more that I find wizard cardboard too surreal to talk about seriously, unlike my ~real finances and stocks~. It's more a dumb thing to do cuz trading's fun and "wowzers! my karns are 60bux! I could turn them into a new laptop!" is a fun thing to say. It's really sad when I see people who are decent at speculating cards waste their talent on that instead of trying to be day traders. Even sadder is when I know people who have turned wizard trading into a part- or full-time job. They could do real things and get real work experience in the financial world instead. To each his own, honestly. If I could quit my day job and make a living speculating on wizard poker, I would consider it a step up.
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Promoted Pawn posted:Seconded, but the whole box is much more likely to be worth more than its contents.ay from that figure being $350. I know I'll probably still draft it but every time I see it I think "enough, let's open you." With the box mapper
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Snacksmaniac posted:I've been holding a MMA box to draft and I'm tempted to just rip it open as my scheduling seems to never work out. There is nothing in there worth the $275-290ish you can get for it, I promise you. Whatever you want, just sell the box and buy it.
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It has been pretty fun on the Modern train, though. I built a cube and a few EDH decks out of all these staples 3-4 years ago and since stopped playing other than the occasional draft. So I just have a binder of 1- and 2-ofs, and anytime wild speculation spikes a card over $50, I dump it. Also, there's no way in hell I would open a box of MMA. I'd sit on it 1-3 more years and try to dump it just before they announce MMA2.
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People enjoy trading, buying, and selling Magic cards because it's fun and you sound like a jerk talking about how you look down on them because you choose to gamble on the stock market instead. It's great you got Apple or whatever and it turned out well but your friend could have easily convinced you that Pets.com was the poo poo. Computers selecting stocks at random are as successful as the most experienced brokers, and only a handful of years removed from one of the biggest failures of our banking system its funny hearing people talk about the stock market as if one couldn't help but trip into earnings there. It's a hobby for people, and wondering why they don't choose to play the stock market as their hobby is as nonsensical as me asking why your hobby isn't carving beautiful antique dressers. It might be profitable for you, but you might not enjoy it. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Stinky Pit posted:People enjoy trading, buying, and selling Magic cards because it's fun and you sound like a jerk talking about how you look down on them because you choose to gamble on the stock market instead. I said it was fun and treat it as an instrument of fun in my post so I don't know what you're on about. The apple comment was geared towards how lucky I was as well. My complaints are that of people who would choose a dead-end job instead of starting a serious career path. It's the same response I have about people who make money streaming and playing videogames. Sure that's great you get money from it but I can't imagine "played/streamed videogames for 5 years" looks great on a resume. And no, I wouldn't consider people talking about "investing thousands of dollars into wizard poker legacy" a hobby anymore. That's why I would advise them to get real assets or stocks instead. I suppose stocks isn't the right word to encompass all of sound investment planning or 401k's but I think assets falls under that umbrella term. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Stinky Pit posted:People enjoy trading, buying, and selling Magic cards because it's fun and you sound like a jerk talking about how you look down on them because you choose to gamble on the stock market instead. I think his point was exactly this. It's fun to work the speculation game and try to read the tea leaves or whatever, but it's also nice not to depend on it. I sold a dozen fetches and bought a camera, sweet free camera! But until there's a mutual/index fund for MTG cards, it's a real bad place to try and feed your family and plan for your retirement. I don't think you're trying to make that point either. But, everyone please, treat your MTG collection like casino chips, and nothing more. E: And treat individual stocks that way, too (Apple, Pets.com, etc). And if you're in the market over the long haul, and you don't freak out and sell in a crash (or need to for other reasons), it'll at least keep up with inflation and comes with tax incentives, which is better than just about anything else you can do with your money. Magic: The Gathering: The Megathread: Sound Financial Advice Herein (Don't play Magic) Huxley fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Can you show off your stocks in a game of Magic? I get to play with my investments and still profit off of them. Also my job prevents me from day trading. So.
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What a Judas posted:Can you show off your stocks in a game of Magic? I get to play with my investments and still profit off of them.  "So I just sold a few shares of Apple and I bought this entire foil deck."
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Fox of Stone posted:And no, I wouldn't consider people talking about "investing thousands of dollars into wizard poker legacy" a hobby anymore. That's why I would advise them to get real assets or stocks instead. I suppose stocks isn't the right word to encompass all of sound investment planning or 401k's. Yes it is. They use the term "investing" pretty badly maybe but people are buying into Legacy to play Legacy, secure in the knowledge that when or if they decide to ever stop playing their cards are likely to go up in value or remain stable, minimizing the risk. They should be saying "I'm willing to pay thousands today to play this game because while other options are cheaper, I can play this format I enjoy and recoup the majority, if not all of the entry costs if I ever decide to stop, there is also the change I earn a profit which is exciting and fun" Saying "I'm investing in Legacy" is a poor choice of vocabulary certainly but the intent is still to play the game first, not to make financial gains, those come secondary. The idea that someone has 3 play-sets of duals in their closet safe and is thinking "Yep, going to pay my kids college with them cards" is a ridiculous caricature and isn't representative of people who participate in the hobby. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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What a Judas posted:Can you show off your stocks in a game of Magic? I get to play with my investments and still profit off of them. I mean, you also can't buy miscut stocks.
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vOv posted:I mean, you also can't buy miscut stocks. You could handcut them.
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vOv posted:I mean, you also can't buy miscut stocks. Not true. My foil, miscut Microsoft stock that was misprint in German as "Apple" is double sleeved in my Legacy portfolio.
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vOv posted:I mean, you also can't buy miscut stocks. I got a sweet alt-art microsoft in my portfolio.
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The volatility of modern hit me at just about the time I decided Born of the Gods draft was kind of boring and it's really burning me out on the game as a whole. I'm taking a break but have any advice besides that on how to get back to enjoying things?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The volatility of modern hit me at just about the time I decided Born of the Gods draft was kind of boring and it's really burning me out on the game as a whole. Depends on what you enjoy, BTG is a very boring set, same with Theros. Yeah the gods are neat, but outside of the mythics everything is pretty "meh" If you have someone who can support it, or think you may enjoy it, cubing is some of the most fun you can have with magic. Awesome cards, cool interactions, and all the neat decisions drafting provides. Its a casual format for spikes. If your less spikey, EDH is a good call, since it lets you do silly things. Otherwise, just take a break, and do things other than magic for a while, don't worry, something cool will pull you back soon enough.
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Fox of Stone posted:I said it was fun and treat it as an instrument of fun in my post so I don't know what you're on about. The apple comment was geared towards how lucky I was as well. My complaints are that of people who would choose a dead-end job instead of starting a serious career path. It's the same response I have about people who make money streaming and playing videogames. Sure that's great you get money from it but I can't imagine "played/streamed videogames for 5 years" looks great on a resume. While I completely agree with you that there are better profits to be had at trading or investing in stocks or bonds versus magic cards, for some magic players, following mtg is more interesting than following a particular industry... So if they are making it their job then they'll enjoy their job more. I know some people who just want to start a card store because they love dealing in magic and following the latest tournament results and sets, even if its not the most profitable venture. Its also harder to translate capturing profits in card price spikes to the real world because you are competing with more sophisticated investors and high tech trading tools. (For example an analogue would be after a corporate merger is announced, the target company will almost immediately jump to the acquisition price versus teferi staying at $6 for a few hours after its appearance on camera at PTBNG before it gets relisted for $25)
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The volatility of modern hit me at just about the time I decided Born of the Gods draft was kind of boring and it's really burning me out on the game as a whole. If you have friends that aren't lame (I dont,) make a cube and draft with them. You could make a cheap modern deck; Restore Balance is stupid-fun to play and like, $100 - more than half of which is Blood Moons and Enlightened Tutors, same for my Genesis Wave deck, which is pretty cheap. I recently finished a Necrotic Ooze combo deck which is a blast, and not TOO expensive, especially by Modern standards. All 3 are in my list under modern if you're looking for any "cheap" modern decks. http://deckbox.org/sets/617198 I hate recommending Commander because it's a terrible format full of the worst kinds of people, but if you can find good people to play with, sometimes it's fun? So looking at my Genesis Wave deck, when did Primetime hit $15+?! And why?
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suicidesteve posted:If you have friends that aren't lame (I dont,) make a cube and draft with them. You could make a cheap modern deck; Restore Balance is stupid-fun to play and like, $100 - more than half of which is Blood Moons and Enlightened Tutors, same for my Genesis Wave deck, which is pretty cheap. I recently finished a Necrotic Ooze combo deck which is a blast, and not TOO expensive, especially by Modern standards. All 3 are in my list under modern if you're looking for any "cheap" modern decks. Amulet of Vigor Combo and Mono-green devotion strategies in modern, and at least the Amulet of Vigor deck showed up at the pro tour, not sure about the monogreen devotion.
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Does that restore balance deck ever win? Whats a typical game with that deck like? Looks fun in a goofy kinda way.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Does that restore balance deck ever win? Whats a typical game with that deck like? Looks fun in a goofy kinda way. Imagine a game played vs. Living End, only you don't actually win after going off and also your deck scoops to all of the most commonly-played removal in the format, especially Abrupt Decay.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The volatility of modern hit me at just about the time I decided Born of the Gods draft was kind of boring and it's really burning me out on the game as a whole. I buy two boosters of every set on release day, haven't played constructed in years, and haven't drafted since Gatecrash. I still lurk and post and keep up with tournaments/LSV, but it's been months since I actually played. On a break until they make something else I want to spend money on. I had 2 Commander decks preordered but they went backordered at my LGS and by the time they got more in, I was over it. It's perfectly OK just to go do something else for a couple of years and come back when they make a fall set that grabs your attention. I'll probably start drafting again when they reprint fetches or visit a plane that interests me more than Theros did.
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I just play whenever a set catches my interest. I usually stay away from (competitive) constructed since I don't think its worth it, so it's limited all the way for me. I loved Innistrad and drafted it a lot, I wasn't thrilled about RtR but full block was kinda fun to draft. Theros is really boring so far so I'm not playing right now apart from the odd game of Commander on MODO (but I'm getting tired of most people just playing unimaginative goodstuff decks in duels and multiplayer usually takes way too long).
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Does that restore balance deck ever win? Whats a typical game with that deck like? Looks fun in a goofy kinda way. It wrecks any sort of fair decks. T1 Blood Moon is possible, T2 is easy. Pretty much you let them build up while they stare at you wondering what exactly you're doing playing any of the cards you have in your deck. Then, at some point you suspend Gargadon or Nihilith, and cast Violent Outburst on their EOT or whenever it benefits you, and sac all your lands/creatures to the Gargadon. You'll also probably want to empty your hand as much as you can. Beast Within anything they have that won't die, RFG the Spirit Guides, etc. Tron about to pop a map for their 3rd Tron piece? Violent Outburst. Jund just got you down to 1 card in hand? Violent Outburst. Fish just Vialed their lord in for lethal? VIOLENT OUTBURST! I love the deck, but man it loses hard to counters. The best thing is to Violent Outburst on their EOT when they have < 3 mana , run it into a counter, then Cascade again on your turn, floating mana before saccing to the Gargadon in case of Spell Pierce or something. The deck is another goon's thing, and I remember him (or her?) writing a really good primer a few months back. I might put some Dissolves in the side or something to stop Creeping Corrosion/Maelstrom Pulse, because those really hurt. It basically has all the weaknesses of combo with an even worse weakness to artifact hate, with Creeping Corrosion being Armageddon and Ancient Grudge being a double Stone Rain. Tharizdun posted:Imagine a game played vs. Living End, only you don't actually win after going off and also your deck scoops to all of the most commonly-played removal in the format, especially Abrupt Decay. This isn't really that true. Part of it is that if you're going off, it's not necessarily to win. I've won by catching WUR control overextending turn 5ish and blowing their stuff up without the threat of counters. I had no Gargadon, but I had kept my side land-free, so it really set him back and let me play my 3 lands in hand and start building up. I've been hit by 3 Ancient Grudges vs. Tron and still won. Maelstrom Pulse is probably the worst hate that doesn't just kill every artifact. After SB, the Ricochet Traps should almost always go in unless you're pretty sure their only artifact hate is mass hate. They work wonders and I really need to find my 4th copy. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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