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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Morbius the Living Vampire starring Tommy Wiseau!

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Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005


it was a nice post,
you shouldn't have signed it.



Honestly once I get that Spider-Man vs The Sinister Six fight on the big screen (preferably with them taking more influence from Spectacular Spider-Man) they can burn every other superhero film.

goldenoreos
Jan 5, 2012

Take care of my animals while I'm gone
Looks like Spidey is taking some cues from his buddies at Activision.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
Kind of curious why Sony and other studios aren't looking outside the big 2 for properties. I get brand recognition but Image is releasing some awesome titles, and Dark Horse has great properties too. You would think that studios would be mining out these properties for potential franchises.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Come onnnn Superior Foes :allears:

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Madkal posted:

Kind of curious why Sony and other studios aren't looking outside the big 2 for properties. I get brand recognition but Image is releasing some awesome titles, and Dark Horse has great properties too. You would think that studios would be mining out these properties for potential franchises.

I am still waiting for Hellboy 3 and the Lobster Johnson movie. :argh:

Have Pixar make a Beasts of Burden film, using the puppy storyline as the basis.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"
Just push out an outstanding Sandman decalogy and then superhero movies can all go burn forever

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

It is so loving weird to me that we're going to have four separate superhero movieverses each pumping out movies annually. Kind of ridiculous

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005


it was a nice post,
you shouldn't have signed it.



Madkal posted:

Kind of curious why Sony and other studios aren't looking outside the big 2 for properties. I get brand recognition but Image is releasing some awesome titles, and Dark Horse has great properties too. You would think that studios would be mining out these properties for potential franchises.

It's the Marvel brand that everybody wants now rather than the superhero part.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
So... what does the Sinister Six do when they're not fighting Spider-Man? Do they own an apartment building in the Bronx? Hold tea parties and bitch about socialism? I guess it would be cool if they tried to do Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers kind of thing, but it would be weird to get the six in a room and not have fighting Spider-Man be at the top of their to do list.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

AnonSpore posted:

Just push out an outstanding Sandman decalogy and then superhero movies can all go burn forever
Well iirc Joseph Gordon Levitt is working on a Sandman movie

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Speaking of Sandman movie, British screenwriter Jack Thorne has been hired to write the movie.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Any one of the ongoing superhero franchises would be fine on its own, and I think that's what the studios are looking at. It feels like they aren't considering the fact that Winter Soldier, GotG, Avengers 2, Ant-Man, Fantastic Four, Amazing Spider Man 2, Days of Future Past, and a half dozen spinoffs, mini films, and TV Shows are all on the public's radar, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. No one series is saturating the market, but all of them together just might.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Joel Silver did an interview with Coming Soon in which he criticizes Snyder's Watchmen, and gives some details about what was originally supposed to happen in the ending before Solid Snake went in and changed the script.

It's pretty interesting in a really :psyduck: way.

quote:

“It was a MUCH much better movie [...] I mean, Zack came at it the right way but was too much of a slave to the material. I was trying to get it BACK from the studio at that point, because I ended up with both “V For Vendetta” and “Watchmen” and I kinda lost “Watchmen.” I was happy with the way “V” came out, but we took a lot of liberties. That’s one of the reasons Alan Moore was so unpleasant to deal with. The version of “Watchmen” that Zack made, they really felt the notion. They went to Comic-Con, they announced it, they showed things, the audience lost their minds but it wasn’t enough to get a movie that would have that success.”

...

What Terry had done, and it was a Sam Hamm script–who had written a script that everybody loved for the first “Batman”–and then he brought in a guy who’d worked for him to do work on it [Charles McKeown, co-writer of "Brazil"]. What he did was he told the story as-is, but instead of the whole notion of the intergalactic thing which was too hard and too silly, what he did was he maintained that the existence of Doctor Manhattan had changed the whole balance of the world economy, the world political structure. He felt that THAT character really altered the way reality had been. He had the Ozymandias character convince, essentially, the Doctor Manhattan character to go back and stop himself from being created, so there never would be a Doctor Manhattan character. He was the only character with real supernatural powers, he went back and prevented himself from being turned into Doctor Manhattan, and in the vortex that was created after that occurred these characters from “Watchmen” only became characters in a comic book.

...

“So the three characters, I think it was Rorschach and Nite Owl and Silk Spectre, they’re all of the sudden in Times Square and there’s a kid reading a comic book. They become like the people in Times Square dressing up like characters as opposed to really BEING those characters. There’s a kid reading the comic book and he’s like, “Hey, you’re just like in my comic book.” It was very smart, it was very articulate, and it really gave a very satisfying resolution to the story, but it just didn’t happen. Lost to time."

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Yeah, that Sam Hamm script has been floating around for a long time. It's nuts.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Is that THE GODDAMN WATCHMEN one?

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

muscles like this? posted:

Is that THE GODDAMN WATCHMEN one?

Christ almighty, it's the goddamned Watchmen!

Yup.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
The tagline for the Venom movie can be "No no this time we swear it'll be good guys wait where are you going"

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Deadpool posted:

Christ almighty, it's the goddamned Watchmen!

Yup.

The one with Rorschach's "trademark hiss" watching Moloch pee?

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
As much I hated that Hamm Watchmen script, I thought his Batman Returns script was overall better than the filmed version. It actually felt more like a continuation of the Batman mythos that Burton was establishing in his first film.

About the only thing about it I didn't like was the way they handled Catwoman. Other than that, I was reading it and playing it out in my head. Even the manhunt for Batman I think played out better where the fear of Batman being a killer elevated by him being framed for killing the rich and powerful of Gotham while the city is going through a lot of sociopolitical discord.

However, I can see how a lot of elements from that draft carried on into the final film. Catwoman retained a supernatural and kink theme, Penguin retained a 'secret history of Gotham's elites' plot, Batman getting framed for murder, Christmas theme, etc.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

so I just skimmed this thing you guys are talking about and while, as a Watchmen script, it's...something, I think it would make a pretty rad weirdo grimdark Justice League or Justice Society elseworlds, especially if you gave it to, like, Neil Adams or somebody and locked them in an attic for a month with a jug of lemonade and no editor.

"Commander Steel puts on a pair of IONIZED SUNGLASSES"

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Feb 27, 2014

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
So Watchmen was to have a loving reset button at the end. I hate films with reset buttons, makes the whole thing pointless.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


TwoPair posted:

The tagline for the Venom movie can be "No no this time we swear it'll be good guys wait where are you going"

If they somehow jumped ahead to Agent Venom they could get a good movie out of that

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Opopanax posted:

If they somehow jumped ahead to Agent Venom they could get a good movie out of that

I am pretty sure I heard that the actor who plays Flash wants that.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
It wouldn't be hard to beat Raimi's "falls from space near Parker for literally no reason" venom. But actually in retrospect it's really funny because the studio forced him to use venom, so he made everything about the character extremely forced and shoehorned in. It's a great little metawar, but only really entertaining if you know the behind the scenes drama.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

greatn posted:

It wouldn't be hard to beat Raimi's "falls from space near Parker for literally no reason" venom. But actually in retrospect it's really funny because the studio forced him to use venom, so he made everything about the character extremely forced and shoehorned in. It's a great little metawar, but only really entertaining if you know the behind the scenes drama.

That was from the cartoon, but we did not get him driving the truck. :(

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
I thought in the cartoon JJ Jameson's astronaut son accidentally brought it back from the moon, and due to it trying to bond with his copilot they crash landed in NYC with Spider-Man saving them, which is how he got in contact with the symbiote.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

greatn posted:

I thought in the cartoon JJ Jameson's astronaut son accidentally brought it back from the moon, and due to it trying to bond with his copilot they crash landed in NYC with Spider-Man saving them, which is how he got in contact with the symbiote.

Yeah, but it was the same idea that it came from space.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
Well it always came from space, it's an alien, but "randomly crash land directly next to Peter Parker's moped" is comically lazy.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

greatn posted:

Well it always came from space, it's an alien, but "randomly crash land directly next to Peter Parker's moped" is comically lazy.

Well getting the suit to Peter is going to always be a pain, since the original way was just I found an alien suit!

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Submersible explores an extremely deep sea wreck. Maybe the wreck is a spaceship, maybe not, but it's been around for a long time either way. The symbiote is in the wreck and attaches itself to the submersible, gets hauled up, sent to prestigious biologist Doc Connors for study. Much more plausible reason why Peter out of all Earthlings would come into contact with it, it keeps the Reed Richards role of the comics but replaces it with Connors in terms of explaining what it is / how to possibly get it off, and it's flexible in terms of whether you want to make it an alien creature, keep it ambiguous, or make it some kind of never-before-seen Earth organism. Also helps explain why it doesn't like fire or intense sound if its home is the deepest depths of the cold, quiet ocean. And I imagine the wreck exploration scene can be made really creepy and tense, especially if you also establish the symbiote's crazy camouflage abilities (if you've ever seen footage of octopuses appearing or disappearing you know what I mean).

`course, without Connors things need tweaking but that's not a big deal.

Edit/quote:

quote:

“We are expanding the ‘Spider-Man’ universe into ‘The Sinister Six’ and ‘Venom,’ so that we have ‘Spider-Man’ movies every year,” Pascal said.

I know that they're using the quotation marks because of the proper titles, but it's hard not to read the last part as sarcastic because having a movie without Spider-Man would be something I'd refer to as a :airquote:Spider-Man:airquote: film.

Lobok fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Feb 27, 2014

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005


it was a nice post,
you shouldn't have signed it.



greatn posted:

Well it always came from space, it's an alien, but "randomly crash land directly next to Peter Parker's moped" is comically lazy.

That's the Parker luck!

Dacap
Jul 8, 2008

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower.

You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.



bobkatt013 posted:

I am pretty sure I heard that the actor who plays Flash wants that.

Well yeah, of course he would say that. What young actor wouldn't want to be upgraded from a tiny supporting role to the lead of a blockbuster franchise? Doesn't meant much for What Sony has planned.

glitchwraith
Dec 29, 2008

Wouldn't be hard at all to go with Ultimate Venom for the ASM series. They've already established Parker's father was a geneticist working on some shady projects for Ozcorp.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

bobkatt013 posted:

That was from the cartoon, but we did not get him driving the truck. :(

Would've been interesting to hear Tobey Maguire's take on "SHOCKEEEEEEER! YOOOOUUU CAN'T ESCAPE MEEEE! I'LL CHASEYOUTOTHE ENDS OF THE EEEAAARRRTTTHHH!"

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Metal Loaf posted:

Would've been interesting to hear Tobey Maguire's take on "SHOCKEEEEEEER! YOOOOUUU CAN'T ESCAPE MEEEE! I'LL CHASEYOUTOTHE ENDS OF THE EEEAAARRRTTTHHH!"

Or having Mary Jane turn into a water copy. Also everyone using laser guns and not allowing punches to connect to people.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007

greatn posted:

Well it always came from space, it's an alien, but "randomly crash land directly next to Peter Parker's moped" is comically lazy.

It's shat out of the sky and it lands like black bird poop. Later on, the suit is put in a suitcase, into a closet for a good bunch of time. Raimi knew what he was doing.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

glitchwraith posted:

Wouldn't be hard at all to go with Ultimate Venom for the ASM series. They've already established Parker's father was a geneticist working on some shady projects for Ozcorp.

Ultimate's origin always seemed like Bendis trying to ram a square peg into a round hole. It was hard to buy that Parker and Brock developed purple, psychoactive, toothy goo as a cure-all.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


glitchwraith posted:

Wouldn't be hard at all to go with Ultimate Venom for the ASM series. They've already established Parker's father was a geneticist working on some shady projects for Ozcorp.

Combine the origin of the Ultimate Venom with Agent Venom, and I think we'd have a good movie.

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JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
With the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, by the 2nd and 3rd films Harry was pretty much gunning for Spidey. Use something where Oscorp develops Venom based on what it can collect on Peter's DNA and Goblin Formula modifications and have it escape.

Maybe that lab from the first film and their development of genetically engineered super spiders had a major change in direction once a 'spider-man' appeared in the public, which lead to them developing Venom in an attempt recreate work they unknowingly created in the first place.

Neither one would have been an alien origin for the costume, but I do think they would have fit better with the tone of each of the Raimi films of science going amok to create heroes and villains.

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