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vOv posted:e: in Surface Detail Veppers asks the ambassador how much it'd cost to buy a Culture ship and she just laughs at him that was one of my favourite things. literally just the author saying lol @ capitalism (also didn't he ask the gcfc or whatever too? and they're like uhh probably more than the entire economic output of all the planets controlled by your civilization. i was amused by that. it's like if we landed a helicopter on some tiny new guinean island to do some anthropology and the tribe tried to buy it from us) anyways as far as utopias go, it's hard to imagine what could be better than the culture. there's the whole "human achievement would become meaningless" argument that people also like to make against it, but it falls apart entirely when you consider how there are already machines in the real world that can do things way better than humans, but people still get satisfaction from doing things themselves. the difference is that now they get the choice whether they want to do them or not, and the culture is sort of the ultimate expression of that.
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it was amusing when he wrote about minds keeping simulations around because they had made them so realistic that it would be genocide otherwise
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Feb 28, 2014 01:05
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raruler posted:it was amusing when he wrote about minds keeping simulations around because they had made them so realistic that it would be genocide otherwise by amusing I mean crushingly terrifying that we might all just be simulations
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Feb 28, 2014 01:06
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Also there's that one guy who cleans tables at an eating places just as a way to meet new people. I'm pretty sure my barber would still cut people's hair even if he didn't need to do it in order to not starve.
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Feb 28, 2014 01:09
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Surface Detail makes it a point that the baseline interactions with your Culture ship are done at a completely non-sentient level and it only boosts up to full Mind attention when things get notable/interesting. Ship Minds have all sorts of non-sentient systems that do boring things like build ship parts and whatnot. I do like how they solved the weapon safety & security problem by making all of their weapons highly moral thinking machines.
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Feb 28, 2014 01:31
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raruler posted:by amusing I mean crushingly terrifying that we might all just be simulations someone will shut down this Hell soon, I hope  Also, lol at the last True Detective - Rust: "gently caress this Gay Earth."
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Feb 28, 2014 01:35
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pseudorandom name posted:Ship Minds have all sorts of non-sentient systems that do boring things like build ship parts and whatnot. vertebrates have all sorts of non-sentient systems that do boring things like build vertebrate parts and whatnot
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Feb 28, 2014 01:44
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NoneMoreNegative posted:someone will shut down this Hell soon, I hope rust is pretty cool imo
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Cocoa Crispies posted:vertebrates have all sorts of non-sentient systems that do boring things like build vertebrate parts and whatnot oh, I left out the second half of that, which is that they're still super-intelligent expert systems
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Feb 28, 2014 01:47
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raruler posted:by amusing I mean crushingly terrifying that we might all just be simulations if we were why would it matter? we'd still be sentient beings
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Feb 28, 2014 01:48
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p.s. the singularity is only a decade away
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Feb 28, 2014 01:49
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i hope we get the singularity or something, because sometimes the hope that things might be better in the future is the only thing that keeps my going maybe it's sad and pathetic that i've pinned my hopes and dreams to the fantasy of some science fiction society where everyone is happy and nobody suffers, and maybe i should just opt out of existence now and save myself the pain of hating myself and civilization for the next 70 years while things only get worse
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Feb 28, 2014 01:53
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maybe you're a character in some kid's video game and your misery and suffering adds verisimilitude to his experience and when he gets bored and deletes his save, you will die instantly without warning or knowledge and everything you ever accomplished and everything you ever were will vanish
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Feb 28, 2014 02:03
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you're whole world is just a parallax layer in some space ullilllilia's 'game" that will never be finished
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Feb 28, 2014 02:07
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pseudorandom name posted:maybe you're a character in some kid's video game and your misery and suffering adds verisimilitude to his experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRUmkqMIe8
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Feb 28, 2014 02:08
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raruler posted:p.s. the singularity is only a decade away the funny thing it's been the same decade for at least a decade now
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Feb 28, 2014 02:10
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raruler posted:p.s. the singularity is only a decade away never going to happen i loves me some t2 and whatnot but i'm calling nope on this
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Feb 28, 2014 02:12
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the singularity will happen for the top 0.00001%. a beautiful city full of immortal investment bankers and their cronies. utopia i look forward to being a morlock
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Feb 28, 2014 02:16
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raruler posted:p.s. the singularity is only a decade away - ray kurzweil, every year since 1970
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ol qwerty bastard posted:that was one of my favourite things. literally just the author saying lol @ capitalism yeah he tries to buy a gfcf warship and the representative goes 'ok first off we're not selling you one of our best warships, second it'd cost more than your entire civilization's gdp' veppers is basically perfectly designed to make you want to punch him in the face over and over
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Feb 28, 2014 02:33
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raruler posted:p.s. the singularity is only a decade away define your terms the singularity: an event which marks the point at which an average unaugmented human cannot maintain a current understanding of science and technology well, then the singularity happened c. 1895 the singularity: an event marking the point at which an average expert in some certain field of science or applied science cannot maintain an understanding of current events in their field of expertise without a team of assistants or cybernetic enhancement maybe 1940 the singularity: the jetsons but you don't need to work if population stabilizes around 7 billion then maybe c. 2300 but society will probably collapse somewhere between 2030 and 2045 so don't worry about it
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Feb 28, 2014 03:59
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i thought the singularity was the point where humans invent a machine more intelligent than themselves, which would logically be the last thing humans ever need to invent.
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raruler posted:did klingons develop the warp drive on their own? i don't at all recall the klingons being descended from kzinti i do recall one story where supposedly the klingons got a technological kickstart by successfully revolting against alien occupiers, but i can't remember if that was in a real series or if that was some book thing which doesn't count
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Feb 28, 2014 04:07
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the kzinti connect to Star Trek through the animated series iirc
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Amethyst posted:
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raruler posted:p.s. the singularity is only a decade away you terribly underestimate the problems still standing wrt AI + more importantly, wrt lithography
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Feb 28, 2014 04:56
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haveblue posted:the kzinti connect to Star Trek through the animated series iirc yeah the cartoon series has kzinti in it and it's pretty funny http://www.startrek.com/watch_episode/KsvLRC9TcoSR
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Feb 28, 2014 07:00
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coffeetable posted:you terribly underestimate the problems still standing wrt AI + more importantly, wrt lithography strong ai by 2200 seems pretty reasonable so if we can crack biological immortality with some sort of relatively simple gene therapy then maybe 35% of us will live long enough to be killed by skynet
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Feb 28, 2014 07:01
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The sigularity will happen the same year that its the year of 'Linux on the Desktop' I.E. never
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Feb 28, 2014 07:43
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angry_keebler posted:strong ai by 2200 Actual a.i experts contradict this.
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~10^60 seems like a reasonable target for a brute force real time emulation of a brain that can monitor and improve itself estimates of runaway a.i. on an exascale computer seem awfully optimistic
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humans just recently found out things can be really really small so I think an AI or the singularity is pretty loving far off
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man, that last PoI was not a good episode at all... seems there's not been nearly as much 'arc' this season and the end of the Carter story has left the show just treading water 
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raruler posted:it was amusing when he wrote about minds keeping simulations around because they had made them so realistic that it would be genocide otherwise the hypothesis hypothesis is that our universe is a rough simulation of a real universe, being run in order to try to predict the future of reality. there are probably many such simulations exploring various hypothetical options, and once they're all over the person running them will choose the best one to carry out in reality and that person is... GOD  so there is a universe in which everything is perfect and just and wonderful and planned, it's just not this one, because god used ours for the planning
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see also harlan ellison's "strange wine"
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the definition of strong ai is "ai that acts like a human" because people are so egotistical that they can't picture a being with more intelligence than them
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Amethyst posted:Actual a.i experts contradict this. do they predict sooner or later than 2200?
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also which decade's definition of ai are they using
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Gus Hobbleton posted:do they predict sooner or later than 2200?
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right, thats why i dont post before coffee
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