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Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

StashAugustine posted:

You know what must be done :ese:

I didn't even need to, he took himself out of the succession with that. I found out, when I stabbed the Grandmaster of the Knights Templar who was being a bad vassal, that my son was next in line.

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Talky
Mar 26, 2010
If I'm running Ag-Cog Primo and I set up my heir with a Merchant Republic, will that take him out of the line of succession?

I ask because both of my good sons from my first marriage died, my eldest surviving child is a daughter I married off for alliances and who now has several non-dynasty children, and the son currently set to inherit the throne is an Imbecile. Like, literally 5 diplomacy and that's all he's got. I remarried and have two more good sons in line after him, the oldest of which is quick.

I know the optimal solution is :ese: , but I'm trying to play by my character's traits. My current king is a just, honest, kind, charitable dude so I want to avoid murdering the kid of possible.

Talky fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Feb 28, 2014

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012
Have they revamped combat recently? It's been about a month since I last played and I played as Rurik the loving beast with 26 martial and I attacked some Slavic sucker who had 6 martial with 4000 troops while he had 2000 and he absolutely crushed me.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

They upped defensive advantages in terrain under some conditions and made flanking more powerful in the 2.0 patch.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
I hadn't played for a while, so I thought I'd have some fun and do a run as a Count of Lyon-Forez. Things were going swimmingly till my dynasty had fallen to a line of gay- dwarves (Henri Lautrec, from touluse -- meta as gently caress) and after three straight dwarves I FINALLY, FINALLY managed to get a non-dwarf, non-gay son to live long enough to produce a non-dwarf heir, thus ending the dwarven legacy -- but wait for it... my son is loving his sister and has two children by her. Oh. And she's a NUN.

:black101:

hellsjudge
May 13, 2010

Talky posted:

If I'm running Ag-Cog Primo and I set up my heir with a Merchant Republic, will that take him out of the line of succession?

I ask because both of my good sons from my first marriage died, my eldest surviving child is a daughter I married off for alliances and who now has several non-dynasty children, and the son currently set to inherit the throne is an Imbecile. Like, literally 5 diplomacy and that's all he's got. I remarried and have two more good sons in line after him, the oldest of which is quick.

I know the optimal solution is :ese: , but I'm trying to play by my character's traits. My current king is a just, honest, kind, charitable dude so I want to avoid murdering the kid of possible.

Yes, you can set up the imbecile as the Lord Mayor of your vassal republic and he'll be knocked out of the inheritance, plus it'll give you dynasty bonus with your future Lord Mayors.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Node posted:

There is some bug where if you get an Empire you can only hold one blot per lifetime.

Can you post more details on this bug? I haven't seen it yet, but admittedly past a certain point I never seem to be at peace anyway.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

ulmont posted:

Can you post more details on this bug? I haven't seen it yet, but admittedly past a certain point I never seem to be at peace anyway.

I wish I could. It never happened when I was a King or below, I could always hold blots, or see the intrigue option at least. Then when I formed the Empire, I could only hold one. It would always disappear along with the Great Hunt intrigue option as well. And the options would never come back until I died and my heir took over.

The war thing is just a guess, but for some reason I think they're related.

If you want to sacrifice a religious head without being cheesy like having your Byzantine heir being raised by the Varangian Guard and imprisoning and sacrificing the ecu patriarch, just hope you're nearing the end of your life or have an easy way to kill yourself.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat
So does the bonus cardinals get for being Italian during the Papal election change depending on where the partial states are located (for instance, if the Pope was in Normandy do Franks get the cultural bonus?)? I have seen the Pope hang his tiara outside of Italy in previous games, but that was before the College of Cardinals was introduced.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

So does the bonus cardinals get for being Italian during the Papal election change depending on where the partial states are located (for instance, if the Pope was in Normandy do Franks get the cultural bonus?)? I have seen the Pope hang his tiara outside of Italy in previous games, but that was before the College of Cardinals was introduced.

Yes, it's based on the current culture at the Papal State's capital.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Talky posted:

If I'm running Ag-Cog Primo and I set up my heir with a Merchant Republic, will that take him out of the line of succession?

I ask because both of my good sons from my first marriage died, my eldest surviving child is a daughter I married off for alliances and who now has several non-dynasty children, and the son currently set to inherit the throne is an Imbecile. Like, literally 5 diplomacy and that's all he's got. I remarried and have two more good sons in line after him, the oldest of which is quick.

I know the optimal solution is :ese: , but I'm trying to play by my character's traits. My current king is a just, honest, kind, charitable dude so I want to avoid murdering the kid of possible.

Make him head of a small army (like, 100 troops recruited from a city vassal) and send him off on a Crusade against the Abbasids?

Talky
Mar 26, 2010

monster on a stick posted:

Make him head of a small army (like, 100 troops recruited from a city vassal) and send him off on a Crusade against the Abbasids?

It need up not mattering because my daughter took it upon herself to assassinate him before I could manage to conquer him a duchy.

Shorty after that the Archpriest declared the first Romuva Great Holy War for Catholic Denmark. Which I won!

I was sorting out my new territory when my character caught a cold and dropped dead less then a year after the war. I hadn't had the title long enough to change the succession law off Gavelkind. So now I'm the six year old king of Lithuania-Pomerania and my only major ally is my brother, the 4 year old king of Denmark.

If I can get to adulthood this quick kid is gonna be a rad king, but I'm only three months in and I've already fought one claimant rebellion to a standstill. My brother can't help me because his vassals all hate him and also have the newly conquered territory penalties.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo
I may have slightly broken the Byzantine Empire in my Kingdom of Serbia (and soon Croatia) by forcing it to elective monarchy through some faction work. The emperor just lost 75% of Anatolia to a massive jihad.

Maybe I should try and go independent once I've gobbled up dalmatia.

Arbitrary Coin
Feb 17, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
2nd Battalion

hellsjudge posted:

Long reign plus bribes. They'll naturally like you if you have good diplo and a couple of virtuous traits, so the wrong government and harsh city taxes (yes I am a socialist dictator!) will hardly make a dent on my opinion.

e: for example I'll give you my Wales doge



And that's with no dynasty bonus, Wales was my first republic and that's where my dynasty has a patrician family.
How are you avoiding the "too many titles held" penalty with all of those duchies here?

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

For some help with modding, does anybody know how to copy over crown laws from a dynamically specified title?

My problem is that the only time the copy_crown_laws command is used in Paradox code, it's for a hard-coded title (specifically, the Byzantine empire). What I want to do is be able to copy_crown_laws from whatever happens to be the character's primary title, but the Validator is telling me that primary_title and ROOT are not valid AnyTitles.

hellsjudge
May 13, 2010

Arbitrary Coin posted:

How are you avoiding the "too many titles held" penalty with all of those duchies here?

I only hold the Jormsvikings and the Fylkirate titles, I ended up destroying Essex (my home duchy) so I wouldn't be penalized.

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!

fool_of_sound posted:

Yes, it's based on the current culture at the Papal State's capital.

I tested it a while ago, it's based on the current culture of Rome, not wherever the Papacy is currently based. Even if you move the Papacy out it still only takes the culture of Rome.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Allyn posted:

I tested it a while ago, it's based on the current culture of Rome, not wherever the Papacy is currently based. Even if you move the Papacy out it still only takes the culture of Rome.

That's bizarre, cause I used the console to move the Pope to Koln (taking Rome from him, then giving him Koln) before and he immediately switched to German preference.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


Vassal Popes are so utterly gross.

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill
You know I thought I had it good when I vassalized all the patriarchs, but the income was never that much. :worship:

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!

fool_of_sound posted:

That's bizarre, cause I used the console to move the Pope to Koln (taking Rome from him, then giving him Koln) before and he immediately switched to German preference.

That's exactly what I did too, huh. I'll go run it again tomorrow, maybe it got changed in a patch at some point :shobon:

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

nutranurse posted:

You know I thought I had it good when I vassalized all the patriarchs, but the income was never that much. :worship:

To be fair, that was almost immediately after the Papal election, before any bishops had a chance to realize "wait I hate that guy lemme pay my liege instead."

...now I'm only getting half that number. Which is still a shitload.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:



Vassal Popes are so utterly gross.


You're adorable.



\/\/\/\/\/\/ I have more crowns :argh:

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:



Vassal Popes are so utterly gross.

You think that's a lot, try turning on feudal taxes to get some real cashflow in your empire (but don't look at the cost of the retinues needed to keep them in line!)

Wezlar
May 13, 2005



Can you still do the trick where you swap yourself and all of your vassals into various crusade battles so you're all crusaders (and therefore they all love you)?

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!

fool_of_sound posted:

That's bizarre, cause I used the console to move the Pope to Koln (taking Rome from him, then giving him Koln) before and he immediately switched to German preference.

Okay, just went and tested it again and it worked exactly like I thought: Pope's culture does not matter, Pope's home province culture does not matter. Only thing that matters is the culture of Rome. Took all the titles in Latium for myself, gave the Pope Koln, and it was still Italian-preference. Consoled Rome to German (event 55000 333) and that changed it. Then changed Rome back to Italian, and made the Pope be a German in Koln, and it was still Italian-preference.

Pester
Apr 22, 2008

Avatar Fairy? or Fairy Avatar?
I did that two days ago, and it worked. I also rediscovered this guy, who I'd passed over for giving land three rulers ago and fired from being my martial thirty years ago when he got infirm-

If he dies in this crusade, it'll be what Jesus would've wanted. :italy:

Edit: Cropped image.

Pester fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Mar 1, 2014

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Wezlar posted:

Can you still do the trick where you swap yourself and all of your vassals into various crusade battles so you're all crusaders (and therefore they all love you)?

Yeah, that's totally still a thing. It's not even a trick, really, just a bit of care with assigning troop leaders. The whole point of Crusades, I think, is to give everyone the Crusader trait and have them all come back as Crusade-buddies.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

CapnAndy posted:



You're adorable.



\/\/\/\/\/\/ I have more crowns :argh:

It's only 1197, I have more time to get the numbers bigger! :D

Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004

Node posted:

I wish I could. It never happened when I was a King or below, I could always hold blots, or see the intrigue option at least. Then when I formed the Empire, I could only hold one. It would always disappear along with the Great Hunt intrigue option as well. And the options would never come back until I died and my heir took over.

The war thing is just a guess, but for some reason I think they're related.

If you want to sacrifice a religious head without being cheesy like having your Byzantine heir being raised by the Varangian Guard and imprisoning and sacrificing the ecu patriarch, just hope you're nearing the end of your life or have an easy way to kill yourself.

I just got this as Dyre after forming Ruthenia.

HenessyHero
Mar 4, 2008

"I thought we had something, Shepard. Something real."
:qq:

DrSunshine posted:

Yeah, that's totally still a thing. It's not even a trick, really, just a bit of care with assigning troop leaders. The whole point of Crusades, I think, is to give everyone the Crusader trait and have them all come back as Crusade-buddies.

It's sort of a double-sided sword though. If you die unexpectedly shortly after all your vassholes like each other waaaaay more than your heir and they're all looking him like 'you weren't there man, you weren't in the poo poo' as they begin sprouting factions until critical mass.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Allyn posted:

Okay, just went and tested it again and it worked exactly like I thought: Pope's culture does not matter, Pope's home province culture does not matter. Only thing that matters is the culture of Rome. Took all the titles in Latium for myself, gave the Pope Koln, and it was still Italian-preference. Consoled Rome to German (event 55000 333) and that changed it. Then changed Rome back to Italian, and made the Pope be a German in Koln, and it was still Italian-preference.

Huh, guess I was mistaken. Thanks for testing it!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

HenessyHero posted:

It's sort of a double-sided sword though. If you die unexpectedly shortly after all your vassholes like each other waaaaay more than your heir and they're all looking him like 'you weren't there man, you weren't in the poo poo' as they begin sprouting factions until critical mass.

This is why I rarely crusade unless I can bring my heir.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009
Someone help me cause I haven't played in forever: what determines whether an ally is available to be called to war? I'm picking out a potential victim who has some powerful allies, but I notice he can't call most of them, despite both being independent. Is it definitely the case that he must have called them in the last 5 years that they're redded out, or is there some other rule here?

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Arglebargle III posted:

This is why I rarely crusade unless I can bring my heir.

Terribly mitigated by the fact that the game does not allow young boys and girls to lead armies! Otherwise, I would have put my 12 year old daughter at the command of my 65,000-strong retinue of knights on their siege of Gallilee!

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

DrSunshine posted:

Terribly mitigated by the fact that the game does not allow young boys and girls to lead armies! Otherwise, I would have put my 12 year old daughter at the command of my 65,000-strong retinue of knights on their siege of Gallilee!

What I Conquered on My Summer Vacation, by Crown Princess Beatrice (age 12)

Sulla
May 10, 2008
What's the reason for full-strength retinues not costing upkeep? I basically had to disband mine in disgust once I realized no AI was using them and they weren't costing me any money.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

What I Conquered on My Summer Vacation, by Crown Princess Beatrice (age 12)

Oh now you just know that's an "A" summer break report right there.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Sulla posted:

What's the reason for full-strength retinues not costing upkeep? I basically had to disband mine in disgust once I realized no AI was using them and they weren't costing me any money.

I don't know the reason for them not costing upkeep, but the AI will use retinues. It's just they won't prioritise Military Organisation when choosing tech like a human will, so in your game they probably just don't have the tech to create retinues. Reinforcing a retinue does cost quite a lot though, getting them wiped out when you are broke can be devastating.

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Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

marktheando posted:

I don't know the reason for them not costing upkeep, but the AI will use retinues. It's just they won't prioritise Military Organisation when choosing tech like a human will, so in your game they probably just don't have the tech to create retinues. Reinforcing a retinue does cost quite a lot though, getting them wiped out when you are broke can be devastating.

That is indeed how it is supposed to balance it out. Reinforcing a retinue costs far more than raising and maintaining comparable levies (which reinforce for free!)

However it utterly fails to account for retinues having full Morale and being able to Blitzkrieg far larger stacks of recently raised levies, making levies more or less worthless for kingdom warfare when you also factor their role in keeping Factions in check.

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