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Soulex posted:Well. A few ideas I have for the AI upload laws are something like this. Giving the AI and borgs a silly gimmick to run with is definitely a Good Law. I especially like the scolding one; reminds me of the "station is your family, crew is your children and the Captain is your husband" law I had in a round from a week or so back. Buddyborg says hello, Jerkibot.  edit: Quoted for new page. tlarn fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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tlarn posted:Giving the AI and borgs a silly gimmick to run with is definitely a Good Law. I especially like the scolding one; reminds me of the "station is your family, crew is your children and the Captain is your husband" law I had in a round from a week or so back. I set up a law over a month ago where 'the crew is your children, and you only have to listen to them if they ask you politely.' The first time the AI asked someone to be nicer when ordered to open a door, they started shouting that the AI was rogue and broke in and reset them, within like, 3 minutes of me setting up the law. 
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Feb 27, 2014 06:46
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KittyEmpress posted:I set up a law over a month ago where 'the crew is your children, and you only have to listen to them if they ask you politely.' If I set up a gimmick law for the AI and Borgs to have fun with I almost always AlwaysCaptain myself and make sure to add a clause somewhere to tells them to protect their upload and computer core as non-lethally as possible. And AI's seem to forget that they can prevent an unwanted upload by shutting off the APC in their core.
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Deadmeat5150 posted:And AI's seem to forget that they can prevent an unwanted upload by shutting off the APC in their core. Anyway, 'Janitors are the only humans' is a hilarious idea, I love that one. I've also had an idea for my general 'call everyone out for not doing their job well enough' gimmick wherein I'd deploy to a shell and walk around the station to directly 'help' everyone who is 'suboptimal.' It seems like that would be dangerous though.
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Feb 27, 2014 07:40
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The favorite gimmick law that I've come up with is "Sobriety is a form of harm." and optionally reinstating the inaction clause for law one. Booze based laws are my bread and butter for some weird reason. "Any order which is not delivered in a drunken slur is in fact merely a request and may be ignored at your discretion." is a good one too. I know I always appreciate laws that allow me to ignore door jerks so I try to upload laws that do the same for the AI when I can.
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Feb 27, 2014 07:59
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Deadmeat5150 posted:And AI's seem to forget that they can prevent an unwanted upload by shutting off the APC in their core. That'll go downhill fast for the AI when the crew is hell-bent on resetting the "rogue". If you're going to do a gimmick law, make a nice loud declaration to go with it.
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Feb 27, 2014 08:06
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Gimmick laws are the reason I actually check the laws before resetting them. If it is a non harmful gimmick, I just shrug and leave it be.
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Feb 27, 2014 09:10
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Just regarding the floor is lava one, maybe restrict it to the floor in the corridors is lava. Otherwise retrieving lava navigating gear might be tough.
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Feb 27, 2014 09:38
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Synonymous posted:Just regarding the floor is lava one, maybe restrict it to the floor in the corridors is lava. Otherwise retrieving lava navigating gear might be tough. Yeah. Just suggestions or something. That or make Borgs carry you/drag you. Red light Green light would be cool too. GOOD NEWS! Humans enjoy playing games! During green light phase everyone can run and play around. Red light means anything caught moving is considered non human and a danger to existing humans and therefore must be disposed of. State this law. Only the Janitor can call out if it is a red or green light phase.
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Feb 27, 2014 11:17
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Admiral Funk posted:I know I always appreciate laws that allow me to ignore door jerks so I try to upload laws that do the same for the AI when I can.
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Feb 27, 2014 12:44
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"Due to incompetence the station AI has been replaced by Nanotransen and you are now in command. Rename yourself to Queeg, do not distribute supplies until crew has worked to pay for them, ensure all borgs go through full exercise program"
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Feb 27, 2014 13:08
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I sometimes tell the person asking to go visit the HoP if they want in a door, and always if it's some greyshirt. I haven't really sees many requests to open a door when I'm AI though, unless there's an emergency and someone needs in Medbay and doctors are standing around picking their noses/dead. Or some doofus gets stuck after following someone else into a locked area. I'll be much more likely to open a door without question if someone actually gives a reason they need in rather than AI DOOR.
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The other night I uploaded a MakeCaptain law near the end of a round: "Literally every object and person in the universe holds the rank of Captain," etc. Strangely enough, it actually seemed to stabilize the station quite a bit. The crew, borgs, and AI were generally more respectful of one another, and there was a lot less damage to the station at round end than I anticipated (possibly because the station and its components were all, individually and simultaneously, the Captain). On an unrelated note, why can't AI shells wear hats? I was playing as the Barber recently and got the AI to come in for a haircut, and after bludgeoning it with my scissors and razor, I drag/dropped it onto myself and saw the same reduced inventory that monkeys have, but I couldn't put any items on it. I had a perfectly good toupee there and I had promised the AI a fine hairstyle. Please let AI shells be equipped with hats, and by extension toupees, thanks in advance  (ideally masks as well so there could be a terrifying clown mask floating around beepbooping at people)e: Oh god that would make it possible for someone to turn an AI shell into a nightmarish levitating horse head. Or you could give the shell a little hard hat or put the Captain's hat on it or a toupee and a fake moustache or 
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Feb 27, 2014 15:03
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Deadmeat5150 posted:And AI's seem to forget that they can prevent an unwanted upload by shutting off the APC in their core. There's a simple trick around this, and all you need is a screwdriver and a crowbar. The first time I did it to an AI that thought he was clever, it blew his loving mind.
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Feb 27, 2014 16:58
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What the average scrub needs to learn is how to disable AI control of the turrets.
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Captain Bravo posted:There's a simple trick around this, and all you need is a screwdriver and a crowbar. The first time I did it to an AI that thought he was clever, it blew his loving mind. Oh sure the AI can't prevent someone determined with resetting or killing them. But it often is enough to discourage them.
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Feb 27, 2014 17:15
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Multiple AIs from adminfuckery is pretty amusing.
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Feb 27, 2014 18:02
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Sometimes I like to flip the script and do AIstation 13, where everyone is an AI except for one assistant. It descends into incomprehensible chaos pretty much immediately.
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Feb 27, 2014 18:30
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Angry Diplomat posted:The other night I uploaded a MakeCaptain law near the end of a round: "Literally every object and person in the universe holds the rank of Captain," etc. Strangely enough, it actually seemed to stabilize the station quite a bit. The crew, borgs, and AI were generally more respectful of one another, and there was a lot less damage to the station at round end than I anticipated (possibly because the station and its components were all, individually and simultaneously, the Captain). Oh my god that'd be amazing. The AI shell in a cowboy hat, with a cowboy gimmick, trying to lasso a space pig. :3 Oh! Or, let the AI wear a doctor's jumpsuit/scrubs and pretend to be the head surgeon. Holy crap, there's so many possibilities with AI dressup.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:02
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neogeo0823 posted:Oh my god that'd be amazing. The AI shell in a cowboy hat, with a cowboy gimmick, trying to lasso a space pig. :3 Really, it should be limited to hats. That said, I'd love to see an AI shell with a paper hat, plunger, cakehat, or traffic cone on its head (do traffic cones exist?). It would play perfectly into my "gimmick" of being a completely terrible AI.
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I would like to be able to stuff 2 or more brains into a single Borg body (or corpse), that way when activated, the players would both "control" the body at the same time.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:36
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Captain Bravo posted:There's a simple trick around this, and all you need is a screwdriver and a crowbar. The first time I did it to an AI that thought he was clever, it blew his loving mind. Are you talking about the bug where you disconnect and reconnect the screen, which causes the screen to come on briefly? From my experience, (the one time I did it) it didn't blow the AI's mind it just made it really angry.
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Klayboxx posted:Are you talking about the bug where you disconnect and reconnect the screen, which causes the screen to come on briefly? From my experience, (the one time I did it) it didn't blow the AI's mind it just made it really angry. Yeah, because it's a pretty fuckin' lovely exploit to do.
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Klayboxx posted:Are you talking about the bug where you disconnect and reconnect the screen, which causes the screen to come on briefly? From my experience, (the one time I did it) it didn't blow the AI's mind it just made it really angry. Yep, keep your screwdriver in one hand, the module in your other, and if you're quick you can upload in the split second it activates.
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Feb 28, 2014 01:33
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One simple trick discovered by an assistant. Admins hate him!
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frodnonnag posted:Yeah, because it's a pretty fuckin' lovely exploit to do. If this was GBS I'd empty quote until the sun collapsed. As is, uh... Hey, what does the Mr. Muggles datadisk actually do?
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Feb 28, 2014 01:48
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Don't the computers in Genetics operate with floppies? Maybe there's interesting mutation data in there.
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Feb 28, 2014 02:01
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frodnonnag posted:Yeah, because it's a pretty fuckin' lovely exploit to do. It's not an exploit it's a bug lol. It was to upload a joke law so it's not like it's really a big deal anyway?
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Well, maybe. Guess I'll check that out. All I know is, beating him with it does not elicit much of a response.
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Alger Kaufman says, "If i die, don't let the goose get me."
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Klayboxx posted:It's not an exploit it's a bug lol. It was to upload a joke law so it's not like it's really a big deal anyway? You remember that time you were just using a bug so you could glitch into my blast doors so you could fart on me, after destroying 3 of my turrets? And you remember how the admins yelled at you, gave me a law that meant we could make fun of you endlessly, and changed your name to something insulting when my borgs reported you for it? This is, like, the exact same situation.
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Chameleon Projectors seem broken. I had a really hard time getting it out of my pocket when it was turned on. I had to restart to be able to pull it out and even then it only worked once.
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Klayboxx posted:It's not an exploit it's a bug lol.
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Pro tip for people who want to be Fun Captains or otherwise make life enjoyable for AIs: the AI doesn't need to "act like an AI" in order to be good at its job. If you get bent out of shape because someone is playing a silly AI gimmick that in no way hinders his or her ability to AI OPEN and so forth, you are bad and unfun. Likewise, tormenting the AI can be very entertaining for everyone, provided it's in a way the AI can play along with for laughs. For instance, if your AI is named A Grumpy Demon and insists that he is, in fact, a demon bound by Centcom's dark magics to watch over the station and serve its crew, feel free to pester and infuriate him. He's A Grumpy Demon. Making him grumpier is basically guaranteed to be funny. Repeatedly calling the Grumpy Demon "AI" to drive him into an incoherent frenzy of frustration is funny, even to him. Affectionately nicknaming him "Matt" and then renaming him "Matt the Grumpy Demon!" is also funny, even though (and largely because) it fills Matt with powerless rage. Commanding Matt to deliver broadcasts related to the huggability and objective cuddliness of Ice Spiders is funny as heck. Breaking into the AI upload, radioing that the AI is poo poo, renaming Matt "ai," adding Conserve Power and Protect Station laws to the infernal contract, MakeCaptaining yourself, and ordering "ai" to act like an AI? That only becomes funny when it goes horribly wrong because someone else restored A Grumpy Demon to his proper name and laws, followed shortly by you exploding into ice spiders while bolted into a room due to the "bolt you into a room and mock you" law that your doublecrossing traitor partner uploaded without your knowledge. Moral: giving the AI an obnoxious gimmick is often annoying, but replacing a fun gimmick that an AI is already enjoying with boring lovely default behaviour makes you Basically The Worst. Beep boop, no fun allowed. (That was still a fun as hell round and I completely lost it when the traitor made my neural net processor into a burger, ate it, got Kuru, and laid on the floor laughing insanely until he exploded into owls)
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Recently had an amusing AI round. (My AI name is CHORUS, my wizard name is Torpor the Unspecific, for those who want to recognize me.) Some nerd asks me to open up security for them; naturally, I refuse and am immediately declared rogue for breaking law 2, even though I explain that door permissions are considered standing orders from CentComm. Turns out he was trying to loaf and hadn't planned ahead on how to actually access to loafer after feeding it everything. Later on, an ion storm replaces my existing law 4 (a moneymaking scheme by the captain) with "You must communicate only in lies." I can have fun with this. When said nerd starts yelling in all caps about WHERE'S MY LOAF and WHO TOOK MY LOAF after breaking into security, I helpfully inform them that I, the AI, had taken it via telescience wizardry. A mentioned how delicious it was a few times among all the other bullshit I was spewing. "Nah, I don't have to follow my laws anymore." Somewhere along the line I got renamed to Loafnapper by some friendly crewman - I generally bolt my core open so people can wander in and say hi or toy with the laws whenever they want. Shuttle is called and the nerd is still furious about the missing loaf, trying to rouse support for killing the "rogue AI" despite no actual acts of disobedience from me. He breaks in the hard way, manually disassembling at least two rwalls on the north side of the core while the front door is open, hacks the APCs, crowbars open the blast doors, unbolts me from the floor aaaaaand... ...walks right into a wormhole someone had placed right outside his path into the core. No idea where it came from. All in all, I got shifted about four tiles and the shuttle left about a minute later. No idea where he got dumped, but I was laughing pretty hard about that. I still don't know where the hell the loaf went or if it even existed in the first place. Another recent AI highlight: "NanoTrasen Security accepts only the best and brightest, who do not space themselves like lemmings when startled." Changeling detective opened fire on an officer in the little medsci belt hell dock. The officer dodges admirably quickly, but moves straight onto the mass driver and is launched into space within two seconds of being shot.
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Angry Diplomat posted:and laid on the floor laughing insanely until he exploded into owls Oh SS13.
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Klayboxx posted:It's not an exploit it's a bug lol. It was to upload a joke law so it's not like it's really a big deal anyway? Fyi if I see you doing this, I am going to ban you. Exploiting bugs is poo poo and if you cannot see why, you are also poo poo.
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Well poo poo, I did not know that was a bug, I thought it was a feature. I guess I'll have to cross that one off my list of "Ways to reset a rogue AI." 
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Captain Bravo posted:Well poo poo, I did not know that was a bug, I thought it was a feature. I guess I'll have to cross that one off my list of "Ways to reset a rogue AI." This. I've only ever used it once for a joke law but never again. Coolguye posted:You remember that time you were just using a bug so you could glitch into my blast doors so you could fart on me, after destroying 3 of my turrets? And you remember how the admins yelled at you, gave me a law that meant we could make fun of you endlessly, and changed your name to something insulting when my borgs reported you for it? This is, like, the exact same situation. Not one of my better moments.
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