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theironjef posted:I still haven't been able to find the rules on casting an Evoke spell from the command zone, since having 1B creature removal on a stick would be basically the opposite of fun in that system. Page 80. 
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L0cke17 posted:I'm similar. I almost never buy cards there, maybe once every couple months when they update the foreign case or its bad decks night or somethīng. Even if I have the store credit to cover it I still make a point to pay entry fees in cash and buy a few bucks of snacks every week so they at least get something out of me. By my count though I have 'made' money off of them though if I count store credit spent on cards as money. I don't mind paying a little more at my LGS first because they support all the free gaming I do in their store. I don't pay a dime to hang out and play EDH or Standard with people in the store, AND weekly I play Pathfinder for free as well. Do I mind paying an extra $5 for the few cards I need? Nope. Do I go to the other LGS down the street that charges $1 for commons often? Nope. There is a limit to what kind of business practices I will support. If you are cool and just round off the change for card prices I don't mind paying the small difference. If you charge an extra 50% more than TCG then I will be forced to shop online. If I do buy packs (and other than the box at each release I get) it is actually usually at Target...some people get snacks along with their shopping and I like to just buy a booster to open when I get home.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:30
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Tubgoat posted:Make it cost 2 more to play each time, have it only go to the command zone when it dies or is exiled from the battlefield? I'm actually pretty sure it works, dumps back to the Command Zone, and bumps the cost (including future evoke costs) by two. I think that's because Evoke counts as an alternate cost and not as a mana ability. But I am very new to this and likely wrong.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:43
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Based on how we've been playing: Evoking is casting, so yeah, it bumps by two. Morph works the same way in our games. You're casting the commander from the command zone.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:59
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Evoke is an alternate casting cost for a creature in all respects it still counts as casting a creature so it would be affected by effects that increase or decrease the cost of playing that spell. So for example Lodestone Golem, effectively makes Shriekmaw's evoke cost 2B, but Thalia does not affect Shriekmaw, Shriekmaw can also be countered by Essence Scatter but not Negate. So a Shriekmaw in the command zone will cost 2 additional colorless mana to Evoke each time it returns there.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:00
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What MtG podcasts do you guys find worthwhile? I listen to Limited Resources and The Eh Team. I don't care about Standard, so podcasts that focus on that will not interest me. Thanks.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:03
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Based on how we've been playing: Evoking is casting, so yeah, it bumps by two. Morph works the same way in our games. You're casting the commander from the command zone. The Gatherer ruling for Akroma, Angel of Fury agrees.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:09
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I go to my LGS first for anything I want, RE: singles., and the majority of my packs. I pay cash for entry fees, snacks and sleeves, but if I win store credit, I'll usually dump it on something higher value that I want, and pay the difference. If I want something my LGS doesn't have, I'll generally either go to a slightly farther out store, or the store that runs legitmtg.com, which is 30 miles away. If I don't have the time to screw with legitmtg.com's store, as the waiting for them to actually pull your card is loving ridiculous(I emailed a list to them at one point on Tuesday, called on Thursday to tell them I'd be in at 1:00 on Friday to pick up the cards, showed up at 1:00, and was waiting until 4:30 for them to get the last card, but paid half what I'd have paid anywhere else), I'll order it from a seller I've heard of on Amazon. Amazon, of course, is the lasted sort, as it takes up to a week and a half to get the cards. I'll occasionally buy cards at Walmart, if I just want to open something, or if I want a fat pack or holiday gift box. My LGS charges MSRP for the FPs and HGBs, and I have a buddy who works at Walmart who uses his discount for me. Anil Dikshit fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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Feb 28, 2014 20:10
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Stores that redraft rares must be pretty stingy if they have to resort to pulling from the player's pools for prize support. Their cost for packs is maybe $2 max and store credit is pretty cost-effective, too. I could see why certain players might want to rare redraft, but that doesn't seem fair or fun for the casual players who are trying to get into the game at FNM. How much does everyone's LGS charge for draft? Mine does $12 with prize support of usually a pack per head. They do pretty good business in singles and other games, so I guess they've decided that it's a reasonable price point. I couldn't see any store charging more than $15, though. At that point you might as well go in with a bunch of friends on a booster box and get a TO to sanction the thing.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:15
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Emerson Cod posted:Stores that redraft rares must be pretty stingy if they have to resort to pulling from the player's pools for prize support. Their cost for packs is maybe $2 max and store credit is pretty cost-effective, too. I could see why certain players might want to rare redraft, but that doesn't seem fair or fun for the casual players who are trying to get into the game at FNM. Can you please not bring up rare redraft, we got done with it a page ago. And every time someone new brings it up, you extend the life of the topic by another 2-3 pages. Can we please make talking about rare redrafting probatable? However, in answer to your second question, it depends on the prizeout they are offering, but generally 15 dollars with 20 packs/equivalent in store credit given out in prizes.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:22
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Our LGS does $12/person with a pack per person into the prize pool. Structure is usually 3-round Swiss.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:25
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Emerson Cod posted:How much does everyone's LGS charge for draft? Mine does $12 with prize support of usually a pack per head. They do pretty good business in singles and other games, so I guess they've decided that it's a reasonable price point. I couldn't see any store charging more than $15, though. At that point you might as well go in with a bunch of friends on a booster box and get a TO to sanction the thing. 10€ (~13,80$), rare redraft. Over the counter price for a booster is 4,20€ (5,80$) for a comparison. This in Finland.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:27
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I got a Domri Rade out of a pack from my deck builders tool kit about 2 weeks ago. It was at $22 then, and is now sitting around $35. I knew R/G monsters was going to be a thing, and I anticipated it would hit $40. I think it might even hit $50 now, what do you guys think?
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Feb 28, 2014 20:27
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I believe stores get boxes at less than $80/box (I've heard $2/pack as well), not including shipping. Don't quote me on this, this is an estimate/hearsay at best. At that rate, they can afford to sell packs at MSRP with quite a wide margin. What I've seen stores do is charge MSRP for straight up pack retail but charge something like $3/pack for event entry, then let the players decide whether or not they want to pay for prize pool. In more casual play environments where I've lived what this ends up doing is putting 3 packs + prize at 3x OTC price which encourages newer players to draft as opposed to just opening packs. Prize Pool in my experience is almost never something a store just 'throws in'.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:31
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Zoness posted:I believe stores get boxes at less than $80/box (I've heard $2/pack as well), not including shipping. Don't quote me on this, this is an estimate/hearsay at best. At that rate, they can afford to sell packs at MSRP with quite a wide margin. What I've seen stores do is charge MSRP for straight up pack retail but charge something like $3/pack for event entry, then let the players decide whether or not they want to pay for prize pool. In more casual play environments where I've lived what this ends up doing is putting 3 packs + prize at 3x OTC price which encourages newer players to draft as opposed to just opening packs. My buddy use to own a gamestore back in the day. It all depends on how much you buy. With the quantity he bought, he was paying roughly $54 a box. He would sell them for $99 to the regulars and he would sell the frends for $80.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:33
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Here we do 15.00 Drafts with Two Prize packs per player.
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Feb 28, 2014 20:34
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jhorphear posted:I got a Domri Rade out of a pack from my deck builders tool kit about 2 weeks ago. It was at $22 then, and is now sitting around $35. I knew R/G monsters was going to be a thing, and I anticipated it would hit $40. I think it might even hit $50 now, what do you guys think? Gatecrash was very widely opened. Domri could hit $40 if R/G monsters takes over the format completely, but I don't think that will happen. I can't see it hitting $50 when Sphinx's Revelation never topped $30 and Jace only managed $50 release weekend when supply was low.
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ScarletBrother posted:What MtG podcasts do you guys find worthwhile? I listen to Limited Resources and The Eh Team. I don't care about Standard, so podcasts that focus on that will not interest me. Thanks. I've heard good things about The Eh Team, what kind of topics do they usually talk about? I'm really only interested in limited play these days so I mostly just listen to LR myself, but I wouldn't mind branching out a bit.
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Nibble posted:I've heard good things about The Eh Team, what kind of topics do they usually talk about? I'm really only interested in limited play these days so I mostly just listen to LR myself, but I wouldn't mind branching out a bit. It's mostly Standard and Modern competitive play (KYT is actively trying to get on the train, and Scott streams every Monday night), but it usually depends on who's been playing what lately. They do get a lot of pros and big event winners on as guests, but I've basically never heard them talk about limited.
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Aside from LR, I mostly listen to Cube podcasts (The Magic Box, The Third Power, Joy of Cubing), as well as Mark Rosewater's Drive to Work. I'll throw in Judgecast or Brainstorm Brewery every now and then, mostly because they're really entertaining to listen to, even though I'm only vaguely interested in their topics (judging and Magic finance, respectively).
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Feb 28, 2014 21:16
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I wish my choices weren't The Nerd Store and The Fun Store, they both do 3-round Swiss and TNS does 3 packs to 2-1 and 9 packs to 3-0 while TFS pays out to 1st and 2nd because the turnout is usually only like 12 people 
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Madmarker posted:Can you please not bring up rare redraft, we got done with it a page ago. And every time someone new brings it up, you extend the life of the topic by another 2-3 pages. Can we please make talking about rare redrafting probatable? Last time I told someone not to bring it up, I got probated.
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The replays from last weekend's SCG Open are finally up....this guy playing against CVM is agonizing to watch. He reminds me of this guy I used to always get paired against at my local store...reading every card, has no idea what to do, forgets things constantly, etc. They even look similar.... Guys like this are so infuriating when they're DOMINATING the game and seem to have no clue. One game will always stand out in my mind: He was on the play game 1 running naya blitz. I said I was keeping my opener and he proceeded to sit there and agonize for a full minute over his first play (which wound up being plains, Champion of the Parish, pass). How do you not have your first 3 turns planned out to decide to keep that hand on the play?! EDIT: Oh god they finish game 2 with 6 minutes to go and I'm honestly questioning if the video is lagging because his hands are moving SOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY. And as I write this he goes back to the sideboard for no loving reason.... I applaud CVM's restraint, I would be livid. BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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I hate slow play more than anything else. The one Modern Masters Draft I did I had a pretty solid UGr advantage engine with just some solid bounces, card draw, and a red splash for spellbomb and one of the evoke creatures, and even though I was able to completely grind down my 1st and 3rd matches (including a game where I bounced a guy's only creature 3 turns in a row) the 2nd one went to time in game three because some guy who's been playing magic longer than I've been alive kept staring at his hand before letting me go 
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No reason why it should be probatable to debate a questionable practice in the game's subculture. I think it's fine among friends or groups where every single person is on board with the idea, I just don't think it should be the default prize structure at a tournament open to the public. But yeah, that's why I was curious to see what other people paid/won at their LGS. I'm interested in becoming a judge and it's good to be familiar with the different prize points/practices even if I don't agree with all of them. There are some truly lovely practices out there that I'd dread to see at an LGS. I saw a post from a kid on MTGSalvation whose local store had them throw all of the rares into a pile at the start of the game and draft with just commons/uncommons. At like, $10 bucks a draft. EDIT: To clarify, the store kept all of the rares to sell as singles.
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One of the stores I went to had a massive turnout for GTC prerelease, something like 100+ people crammed into this smelly shack. All the  uber pro players picked boros weeks before to ensure their victory. Prize support was made clear as soon as it started that instead of weighting heavily towards the top 8 as usual, prize support would be extended to 32, with 16-32 getting one pack each. The boros players went nuts and some cancelled their prerelease entry on the spot. Rare drafting is probably worse than murder to those guys.
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Mortimer posted:Rare drafting is probably worse than murder to those guys.
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Yeah, say what you want about AVR but I'm sure glad I didn't leave it with nothing but Mist Ravens and Pair-Bears.
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Rare redraft is the better payout for team drafting. Team Drafting is really fun. Also, it's one of the better ways to go through a bunch of shared booster boxes while practicing for non-FNM limited formats.
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Zoness posted:Rare redraft is the better payout for team drafting. Team Drafting is really fun. Also, it's one of the better ways to go through a bunch of shared booster boxes while practicing for non-FNM limited formats. I remember drafting out my box of New Phyrexia with some buddies. No one could blame one of them for playing mono-B without it being super deep after we found out he had foil Obliterator x 1 and regular Obliterator x 2. It was certainly something that happened. 
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ScarletBrother posted:What MtG podcasts do you guys find worthwhile? I listen to Limited Resources and The Eh Team. I don't care about Standard, so podcasts that focus on that will not interest me. Thanks. Everyday Eternal is great imo. They mostly cover Legacy, and are very entertaining.
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Stinky Pit posted:Here we do 15.00 Drafts with Two Prize packs per player. That's what we do, with the option of packs times three in store credit. Exception is Legacy, which is cash or cash x 2 = credit. That ten dollar "store keeps the rare" draft sounds real sketchy and almost like a thing WotC would frown on.
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Literally The Worst posted:And Tabernacle is on the reserve list so bringing it up in a discussion about reprinting cards is real dumb because it's a thing they literally can't/won't reprint. If you want to argue about whether or not the reserve list is actually a good thing, that's fine, but acting like the price of Tabernacle is a consideration for most people is loving dumb, especially in a conversation that was discussing the prices of Modern singles. Hi sorry I forgot to check back to see you explode over my post but my really good response to all of this is that the most expensive of those cards is the one not on the reserve list. ~skates out of thread with his head on fire, ollies over you on the way out~
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The March Hare posted:Hi sorry I forgot to check back to see you explode over my post but my really good response to all of this is that the most expensive of those cards is the one not on the reserve list. Cool one out of three is actually still pretty bad and responding to a discussion about reprints in the context of Modern by posting Legacy cards, one of them from P3K and two on the reserve list, is pretty dumb.
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Literally The Worst posted:Cool one out of three is actually still pretty bad and responding to a discussion about reprints in the context of Modern by posting Legacy cards, one of them from P3K and two on the reserve list, is pretty dumb. News for ya bud, the whole thing is pretty dumb.
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The March Hare posted:News for ya bud, the whole thing is pretty dumb. Amazing response, you've really changed my mind.
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Literally The Worst posted:Cool one out of three is actually still pretty bad and responding to a discussion about reprints in the context of Modern by posting Legacy cards, one of them from P3K and two on the reserve list, is pretty dumb.  chill
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Samael posted:I choose to open packs because- £1.50 per booster is considerably cheaper than me and my friends usually get ours, where do you buy from if you don't mind me asking? There's no local game shops that stock M:tG or run any events near us so we typically buy a box or 2 worth of boosters and run our own. Cheaper cards would be really nice.
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 reprint plus raredraft chat all in one day!Just since we haven't beaten this horse to death yet, a few more cons of it are: 1) More open to player fraud. Sure I'll just put this first pick foil plainswalker into my deckbox and slide a replacement rare into my sideboard.... 2) You can't drop, and neither can anyone else, since you have to relinquish your cards back to the pool then stick around for redraft time. Hope everyone played with sleeves tonight! In other news, was anyone surprised by how little anything changed at the pro tour? I was expecting the format to be shaken up quite a bit more, but I guess it's hard to make a new deck that stands up to all the big players in the meta and also doesn't fold to all the random combo decks and bit players too. vvvv lol talk about feelbads, yeah. gently caress redrafting. "but my pure draft experience uguuu" Fuzzy Mammal fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Mar 1, 2014 |
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