SpazmasterX posted:I made my girlfriend, who started watching from about dino thunder on, watch Super Megaforce episodes 1 and 2 and now I'm pretty sure she wants to leave me. As the emotionless protagonist would say: that was a Super Megafail.
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...I'll remain cautiously optimistic on this one. I mean, dumb as the 'new powers!' scene was, I actually found the second episode to be okay, and kinda what I wish we'd had as a default thus far - original footage, character scenes, so forth. And whilst this scene pretty unashamedly taken from the sentai, there's some differences in the wording that makes me... curious. Whilst they probably could've used an episode or two more to better establish it, Noah's been shown previously to have concerns over whether or not he can keep up in the team. So this is... technically in character for him, if with a bit of a leap. It may be less 'I'm doing training with two swords because I'm a master swordsman dammit', more 'I'm going to try something so I'm not dragging the team down'. Still need to see how the episode plays it of course. If it plays the rest of it scene for scene, then uh... yeah. EDIT: So... yeah. The episode takes a bunch of the imagery in certain scenes from Gokaiger, but the character stuff is... a bit different, at least contextually. Its more not wishing to be a burden than swordsman instincts, and the episode establishes the sort of behaviour for Noah early in. Like, not a great episode, but it seems Super Megaforce at least has an understanding of actually making the characters, well, characters. And I suppose the insecurities stuff being at least passable makes sense when you consider that the writer for the episode was Jason Smith, and this is kinda what his entire character in Jungle Fury was about. Mind you, limited by the sentai footage as they are, its kinda hilarious they're already skipping straight to Super Megaforce mode in some transformation scenes. Astro Nut fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Mar 2, 2014 |
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I haven't seen the episode yet, but being the best part of the Gokaiger ep, I have to ask. Did they/how did they do the five-team five-sword slash? Did they mention team names or was it just a final strike? I loved it in Gokaiger because there were like five "something-ranger" teams in a row then out of nowhere it ends with GIIIIINGAMAN. So great.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:I haven't seen the episode yet, but being the best part of the Gokaiger ep, I have to ask. Did they/how did they do the five-team five-sword slash? Did they mention team names or was it just a final strike? The answer is yes they do. The name of the attack is generic as hell, but they still do team names... and Noah yells them because they don't do the whole announcer voice for the transformations.
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I like that the story of Super MegaForce 03 was basically Noah trying to save face after the monster made a fool of him while he was trying to mack on Emma
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Coq au Nandos posted:Soooooo ...Good luck with that Saban.
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Astro Nut posted:...Good luck with that Saban. You're talking like they just won't delete a very tiny scene, when they've deleted entire storylines, especially in the 2.0 era.
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Astro Nut posted:Mind you, limited by the sentai footage as they are, its kinda hilarious they're already skipping straight to Super Megaforce mode in some transformation scenes. Yeah it's weird how they transform into the Megaforce suits in some scenes just to go straight to Super Mega Mode (like when they first faced off against the monster in this episode) but then later in the episode they go Super Mega Mode right away. It makes me wonder why they waste time shooting scenes with the Megaforce suits at all. I figured they were sticking with the idea that the pirate suits were an upgrade to the base suits (like Ultra Mode) and they had to transform to Megaforce to go Super Mega but this episode completely destroyed that theory. And huh, they got the Mystic Force dragon. Since that was the very first Ultimate Power that Gokaiger unlocked and Super Megaforce went with the SPD car, I figured they were just going to skip the dragon entirely.
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While I don't immediately dismiss the "Super Megaforce/Legacy Powers are an upgrade to the Megaforce powers" concept...it's pretty loving hilarious just how horribly managed this is. I'm starting to really get the impression that the production staff doesn't care one bit about making a proper narrative story, they're just making a toy commercial with some talky bits. I know that first and foremost Power Rangers exists to sell toys, but they could at least TRY to make it a decent kid's action show while they're at it.
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jivjov posted:While I don't immediately dismiss the "Super Megaforce/Legacy Powers are an upgrade to the Megaforce powers" concept...it's pretty loving hilarious just how horribly managed this is. I'm starting to really get the impression that the production staff doesn't care one bit about making a proper narrative story, they're just making a toy commercial with some talky bits. I know that first and foremost Power Rangers exists to sell toys, but they could at least TRY to make it a decent kid's action show while they're at it.
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Mega/SuperMega are the first seasons I've even made an attempt at following as they went out since I was a kid watching Lightspeed Rescue. Maybe I was just younger and stupider then, but it sure felt better back then.
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Watching a retrospective of the Power Rangers up til Mystic Force, they definitely attempt at a cohesive story with actual foreshadowing and...effort, most importantly. The saban 2.0 era is definitely the laziest cash grab attempt by far. edit: While I'm putting the next shutup episode, did the editor get mad at Megaforce Red or something? His lines are awkwardly cut off. Tae fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Tae posted:edit: While I'm putting the next shutup episode, did the editor get mad at Megaforce Red or something? His lines are awkwardly cut off.
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jivjov posted:While I don't immediately dismiss the "Super Megaforce/Legacy Powers are an upgrade to the Megaforce powers" concept...it's pretty loving hilarious just how horribly managed this is. I'm starting to really get the impression that the production staff doesn't care one bit about making a proper narrative story, they're just making a toy commercial with some talky bits. I know that first and foremost Power Rangers exists to sell toys, but they could at least TRY to make it a decent kid's action show while they're at it. If you have Netflix, I would recommend catching up, because man, even in its down moments in the Disney era, you could still see the writers trying to put something together, and heck, whilst Disney's tenure is infamous, it does also manage some of the strongest seasons - like Dino Thunder and RPM. Saban 2.0 meanwhile, in part due to the arrangements with Nickelodeon, and in part I imagine due to being out of the saddle so drat long, has tended to rush through things, or otherwise smack them together without proper development, hoping to ride the nostalgia train through till an episode is done so that viewers won't really notice or care too much (not helped admittedly that whilst Samurai revisiting stuff was just Saban posturing, the seasons since have somewhat been too easy to go back to older days on). Samurai/Super Samurai is a victim of having the Shinkenger script put through google translate in order for Saban to have something put together when they got their hands back on the franchise, albeit weakened then through attempts to soften or adapt things for the western audience - such as making sure Jayden was far less confrontational than his sentai counterpart, when that was pretty much the basis for a lot of the character's growth, and was subsequently improperly substituted by other aspects. Bulk and Spike were evidently an afterthought in order to appeal to older fans' nostalgia, and whilst the scenes they eventually did get with the rangers were actually kind good, much of the time they just did stuff unconnected to the story for ~lulz~, assuming they even appeared at all. Megaforce then is the other extreme of the spectrum - technically an original story and plot put together, but its so hastily constructed that vital information (Gosei is the pupil of Zordon! ...Where's he been? Do these five even know who Zordon IS?) is glossed over, and scenes that should establish character traits or just their lives outside of fighting monsters each week, are cut short in order to make way for the extremely rushed plot. The opening episodes were actually somewhat good in that they established stuff - the school, basic character traits, the juice bar, teleporters, visions of the legendary war - but it proceeded to fail repeatedly on delivering anything from them. Instead, new powers, villains, allies, are introduced almost every other episode, if not faster, and often with little flare beyond Gosei briefly quipping about it like it was totally all part of the plan. There's no meat on the shiny, technicolour bones. Super Megaforce meanwhile, even whilst a few episodes in, feels like what Megaforce the original should have been, at least in pacing and setup (thus far, it could go waaaaay off the rails soon for all we know). It actually uses the school and juice bar as places for the characters to interact, ways to develop them without immediately tying into how they'll fight the next bad guy. In these few epss I've managed to actually gleam some more minor traits out of the teacher beyond his obsession with the supernatural, like he's secretly a bit of gamer, can be forgetful of his students' names when they aren't Noah. Ernie takes pride in his frozen yogurt and is keen on stirring up business again, even if it means using Emma as a bit of G-rated eye candy to help promote his business. Maybe these were in Megaforce and I somehow missed them, but if so, they certainly didn't leave an impression. The original footage fights are actually pretty well done, and whilst I cannot rationalise for the life of me, that scene where they use the morph to phase through the enemies totally unharmed was kind cool. Hopefully they'll just start remembering to actually start explaining why they're getting certain powers as the themes of the week from here on out. I get, sentai footage and all, but they rearranged the attack on the armada to be in the second episode, pretty sure they could have put the SPD and Mystic Force upgrades back just liiiittle bit to try and find some relevancy.
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Astro Nut posted:If you have Netflix, I would recommend catching up I'm working on exactly that, as one of the hosts of Podcasters With Attitude! We're about halfway through Season 3 of Mighty Morphin at the moment. Maybe I should link the show in the OP...I just didn't want to come off as self-promoting too much...
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Hey, remember when episode 2 cut down on the quipping and forcing dialogue so hard that they literally have to rush it out before the scene faded out? Well I hope you have a short memory, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UyHySPhQ-E Other wacky stuff includes random original footage injected with real footage (like the ambush scene), badly edited shooting ship out of nowhere for no reason, and Megaforce Red...pausing...before...talking.
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Astro Nut posted:...Good luck with that Saban. 
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What guy hasn't imagined having a cock the length of his entire torso? IMAGINATIOOOOOON
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jivjov posted:I'm working on exactly that, as one of the hosts of Podcasters With Attitude! We're about halfway through Season 3 of Mighty Morphin at the moment. Oh yeah, how's that going? Wouldn't you get more exposure on youtube or something?
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SpazmasterX posted:Oh yeah, how's that going? Wouldn't you get more exposure on youtube or something? Yeah. I'm the "mastermind" behind this and I totally agree that YouTube would be better and I need a proper website and so much more. Frankly I'm killing myself over the update schedule and I only have Windows Movie Maker, which is a lame excuse for not trying. But this really isn't the place to discuss this, I just hope you guys give the show a chance and give us some feedback. But hey! Can I great a group opinion on Jungle Fury? I put it pretty high on my list of favorite seasons. Villains get a lot of story and development, rangers are pretty alright people, RJ is cool as hell, nice monster designs, and a big emphasis on real martial arts. Overall, probably my third favorite season.
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Liar Lyre posted:Yeah. I'm the "mastermind" behind this and I totally agree that YouTube would be better and I need a proper website and so much more. Frankly I'm killing myself over the update schedule and I only have Windows Movie Maker, which is a lame excuse for not trying. But this really isn't the place to discuss this, I just hope you guys give the show a chance and give us some feedback. Probably about fourth for the Disney seasons for me. No real explanation avaliable outside of enjoying RPM, SPD & Dino Thunder much more. Testekill fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Liar Lyre posted:Yeah. I'm the "mastermind" behind this and I totally agree that YouTube would be better and I need a proper website and so much more. Frankly I'm killing myself over the update schedule and I only have Windows Movie Maker, which is a lame excuse for not trying. But this really isn't the place to discuss this, I just hope you guys give the show a chance and give us some feedback. I've seen it considered pretty low, but personally its one of my faves. It just felt... fun. Sure, some hiccups here or there, but honestly the show at least tries on so drat much, and gets more hits than misses. I mean, hell, they had a theme song that actually could and WAS used to go along with the fights, for the general turnaround and not just finishers.
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I've only seen a handful of random episodes but my thoughts on Jungle Fury are:
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Tae posted:Watching a retrospective of the Power Rangers up til Mystic Force Linkara's History of Power Rangers? If so, it's a pretty neat series, although I wish he wouldn't take up so much time at the beginning of each episode talking about how he'll never watch the Sentai and to stop asking him when the next episode will come out. I also shook my head in disbelief when he complained about the Ninja Storm characters doing ninja things like running on water. Astro Nut posted:put together, but its so hastily constructed that vital information (Gosei is the pupil of Zordon! ...Where's he been? Do these five even know who Zordon IS?) is glossed over, and scenes that should establish character traits or just their lives outside of fighting monsters each week, are cut short in order to make way for the extremely rushed plot. The opening episodes were actually somewhat good in that they established stuff - the school, basic character traits, the juice bar, teleporters, visions of the legendary war - but it proceeded to fail repeatedly on delivering anything from them. Instead, new powers, villains, allies, are introduced almost every other episode, if not faster, and often with little flare beyond Gosei briefly quipping about it like it was totally all part of the plan. There's no meat on the shiny, technicolour bones. I think I agree with this, the juice bar and Ernie certainly existed in Megaforce but they were only there to kill time for 30 seconds before Gosei called them into action. The show was so eager to show off monsters and powers that episodes felt really rushed and thrown together, and just came off not working well. I remember one episode, can't remember which one, where they fought a monster, went to the juice bar, got called out to fight again, came back to the juice bar for all of a minute, and then got called out once again. It was pretty ridiculous. So far Super Megaforce feels kind of the same way. Ernie and the juice bar were in episode 1 and were actually somewhat prominent in it but it just seems like a way to separate different bits of Sentai footage like it was in Megaforce. I think what annoys me the most about Megaforce is that it honestly isn't all that bad despite its problems, it's certainly not the worst season, it's that I'm annoyed by having seen Goseiger which means I'm annoyed at certain things they did with the footage. I can't even chalk this up to being a "Sentai purist" either - RPM was awesome and Go-Onger is my favorite Sentai. But things like Brajira's (Vrak's) ultimate form being shown in the theme song footage, but was nowhere to be seen in Megaforce, instead just ending with him still being a cyborg and told "Go into hiding!" Seeing no weight being given to the really shocking scene in Goseiger where "Holy poo poo he can use Gosei powers how is that possible" was I guess understandable but frustrating. I was also really curious what they were going to do with his ultimate form and how they were going to adapt the ending arc, or if they would just shoot a new ending...but in the end they didn't do either, just cut it off because they wanted to get to Gokaiger faster. And maybe I'm being impatient. I know Brajira was resurrected in 199 Heroes so maybe they're going to fit that in somehow as Vrak returning? And they're obviously reminding us that Troy is still searching for Robo Knight so I assume that's going to be resolved at some point too. Hopefully not by Gosei turning him into a key.
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Twelve by Pies posted:And maybe I'm being impatient. I know Brajira was resurrected in 199 Heroes so maybe they're going to fit that in somehow as Vrak returning? And they're obviously reminding us that Troy is still searching for Robo Knight so I assume that's going to be resolved at some point too. Hopefully not by Gosei turning him into a key. Nothing wrong with being impatient when the series spent most of a year hyping up something they're only getting around to this year. Also the key would be totally rear end in a top hat-ish of Gosei. At least in Gokaiger it was an unintended consequence of the whole 'lets use all our powers to save the Earth' thing. If they did it with Super Megaforce, then all the dude's done is waste Troy's time and pointlessly make him worry for an ally.
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I never finished Megaforce. Did they skip the Brajira episodes?
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Dr Tran posted:I never finished Megaforce. Did they skip the Brajira episodes? Pretty much. The final fight with Vrak is purely against his cyborg/machine form, after which the armada arrives and starts blowing stuff up, whilst Vrak finds out that maybe changing forms isn't so good an idea if your own allies don't even recognise you.
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Twelve by Pies posted:If so, it's a pretty neat series, although I wish he wouldn't take up so much time at the beginning of each episode talking about how he'll never watch the Sentai and to stop asking him when the next episode will come out. I also shook my head in disbelief when he complained about the Ninja Storm characters doing ninja things like running on water. The thing about his "shut up about the Sentai!" rants is that fair enough, not everybody has to watch Sentai and it's cool to just like Power Rangers or whatever but even some basic research would allow him to offer better context for certain production decisions and look at how Power Rangers did things to work around Sentai elements to tell its story instead of just yelling "WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT!?" The best thing about his Ninja Storm videos wasn't even "why are the ninjas doing ninja things?", but his complete inability to understand young adults being into motocross.
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Box of Bunnies posted:The best thing about his Ninja Storm videos wasn't even "why are the ninjas doing ninja things?", but his complete inability to understand young adults being into motocross. I thought his rant was about the logistics of how a "high school" student is able to afford and maintain an active hobby like participating in motocross that is very expensive. though I suppose having a job at a place that supports that kind of hobby helps. I also broke down and bought a TOQ brace and TOQ-oh
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The majority of motocross is paid for by sponsorship, it's not that expensive if you have the talent, same for most sports.
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mateo360 posted:I thought his rant was about the logistics of how a "high school" student is able to afford and maintain an active hobby like participating in motocross that is very expensive. though I suppose having a job at a place that supports that kind of hobby helps. There's also another factor to consider that really isn't always the most addressed thing when it comes to power rangers: Family finances. He briefly alludes to it with 'how rich do these kids have to be' and whatnot, but the answer honestly is, after the initial costs are covered (say, the bike as an extra big present for a birthday), it wouldn't be that hard for a decently well off family to fund that sort of thing for their son, especially if he's earning some money anyway, minimum wage or not. Honestly, the bigger question is on Hunter and Blake's livelihoods in general. Forgot motocross, where and how the heck did they live after Lothor kicked them out?
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mateo360 posted:I also broke down and bought a TOQ brace and TOQ-oh 
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Astro Nut posted:Pretty much. The final fight with Vrak is purely against his cyborg/machine form, after which the armada arrives and starts blowing stuff up, whilst Vrak finds out that maybe changing forms isn't so good an idea if your own allies don't even recognise you. They also left in the scene where he yells after Robogog (don't remember his PR counterpart's name) and Metal Alice are destroyed, and the sky darkens and it starts to rain. So guess that'll be left unexplained too. But yeah right after Metal Alice bites it the armada starts attacking and Robogog says "They won't recognize you in this form, you must flee, Vrak!" and Vrak leaves. Come to think of it has the armada been named or are they just "the armada"? The fleet in Megaforce was definitely referred to as Warstar a couple of times, and since Warstar was changed to be the overall villain force in Megaforce (as opposed to having nothing to do with the other two factions in Goseiger) does that mean that Warstar is still the villain force in Super Megaforce?
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So Linkara has announced he's starting up the retrospectives again in April, and the main reason why he was on halt was because he had to legally buy the DVD's for footage instead of using jetix rips. The only option available other than shout-factory was Legacy box sets that cost 1k dollars, so he's been waiting for a cheaper alternative.
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I'm pretty sure every PR season is on Netflix but I guess either it's too difficult to get footage off there or there's legal issues involved with doing so?
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There is probably a bit of truth to it regardless, I think the main reason is still that those retrospectives take a lot more time for what he makes off it compared to his regular shows.
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Zedd posted:There is probably a bit of truth to it regardless, I think the main reason is still that those retrospectives take a lot more time for what he makes off it compared to his regular shows. In addition to the fact that whilst probably the single most demanded of his side projects, it probably doesn't make him proportionally too much more money than his regular videos do. So he doesn't have much active incentive aside of his own love of the franchise, his promise to get it done, and the hundreds of fans who keep nagging him about it (which as he's stated, can also just make him loathe doing the project further). But yes, the armada has simply been referred to as 'the armada' or 'the alien armada', because its not as if aliens have helped the rangers before or they outright stated a couple of episodes back that there were powers 'never before seen on this planet'.
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