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Sir Tonk posted:No buy my '94 with 230k miles. I'm gonna put it up for sale in a month, or two, now that I'm possibly getting a Hornet Wagon.  
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Yeah, the Sportabout. I'm finalizing the deal today. First time I've shipped a car, kinda nervous. I'll post a rundown once it's here.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:18
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splangtastic posted:My new (to me) 2008 Mazdaspeed 3. A few mods and just a hair shy of 300whp. I love it
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Feb 24, 2014 20:16
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Sir Tonk posted:Yeah, the Sportabout. I'm finalizing the deal today. First time I've shipped a car, kinda nervous. I'll post a rundown once it's here. Holy gently caress I was joking. That is awesome. Year? Engine? Plans? Can't wait for the update!
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Feb 24, 2014 20:57
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Holy gently caress I was joking. That is awesome. Year? Engine? Plans? Can't wait for the update! I'll put together a teaser after I'm sure I'll be buying it. If so, then I'll have it in less than two weeks. edit Here's a photo from what he had in the listing, I'll clean it up once it's here and take some good shots in decent lighting. 
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Feb 25, 2014 01:05
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netwerk23 posted:A few mods and you're at 300 wheel? I thought they were like 220-240 stock wheel? Yeah that does sound a bit off for lightly modded.
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Feb 25, 2014 06:35
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Sir Tonk posted:I'll put together a teaser after I'm sure I'll be buying it. If so, then I'll have it in less than two weeks. Hell yeah green cars from the '70s.  258? 304?
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Feb 25, 2014 16:09
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258 with the Chrysler auto. Would've rather had a four speed, but not a lot to choose from out there.
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Feb 25, 2014 19:29
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Dear Ford Motor Company, The U.S. has not had a Focus wagon since 2007. You probably canned it because it didn't sell well. Maybe if you brought out the 2015 wagon to the states things would be better? It is a lot better looking than previous attempts. Love, djfooboo 
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Mar 3, 2014 16:50
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That plate is oddly appropriate, with the long headlights it looks like the car is focusing really hard on something. An ST version of that would be amazing.
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Mar 3, 2014 17:25
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Good thing they do make an ST version of it. http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27891
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Mar 3, 2014 17:44
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Good thing they do make an ST version of it. Yeah, but we don't get it and never loving will.
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Mar 3, 2014 19:06
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djfooboo posted:Dear Ford Motor Company, I never post in AI anymore but I will buy this if it's offered in the US with a manual. Guaranteed, 100%. See that, Ford? There's one.
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Mar 4, 2014 04:36
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VacaGrande posted:I never post in AI anymore but I will buy this if it's offered in the US with a manual. Guaranteed, 100%. See that, Ford? There's one.
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Mar 4, 2014 05:04
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You and the thousands of others say that, then Ford sells 12 ever. Repeat forever.
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Mar 4, 2014 06:04
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Bovril Delight posted:You and the thousands of others say that, then Ford sells 12 ever. Repeat forever. Focus wagons are not an infrequent sighting in my neck of the woods (Midwest). And since it's a global platform now shouldn't it be easier to bring over anyway?
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Mar 4, 2014 06:40
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Good thing they do make an ST version of it. I always wondered. What if they just sold fast, manual wagons. Seems like 98% of would be wagon buyers are enthusiasts. Problem is that 98% of wagon buying enthusiasts are cheap bastards who buy used. Pretty sure I've seen more CTS-V wagons than CTS wagons.
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Mar 4, 2014 07:26
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djfooboo posted:Focus wagons are not an infrequent sighting in my neck of the woods (Midwest). And since it's a global platform now shouldn't it be easier to bring over anyway? Ford probably considers the five door hatch to be adequate, but man I love that new design and would rather have the additional space myself.
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Mar 4, 2014 15:35
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nm posted:I always wondered. What if they just sold fast, manual wagons. Seems like 98% of would be wagon buyers are enthusiasts. Problem is that 98% of wagon buying enthusiasts are cheap bastards who buy used. Amusingly enough, another one who seems to get it is GM. With exception of the Buick Regal GS AWD and still-MIA Regal wagon, GM seems to offer a manual in what you'd really want it to be available in. If GM offered a Buick Regal GS AWD wagon w/ manual option I bet the sales would be surprisingly good.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:18
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Even if an AWD manual Regal GS wagon was the home run of all home runs and destroyed its sales projections, it would sell like three thousand units.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:38
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A little off topic, but it relates to the "why don't they bring the car over here?" I found it in a comment on Jalopnik, on an article on the Honda Civic Type-R that America probably won't get. The comment read something like "Honda is willing to take a risk making the Element, Accord Crosstour, and all the wierd...things...Acura makes, but when it comes to the type-R, the message from Honda is, who would buy it?" Sometimes car manufacturers do weird things. Bean counters and all that.
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Mar 4, 2014 17:26
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TrinityOfDeath posted:A little off topic, but it relates to the "why don't they bring the car over here?" It's because enthusiasts make up a miniscule and shrinking portion of the car market. Young enthusiasts who buy cheap sports cars are an even smaller and more shrinking portion and they rarely buy new cars in the first place, especially with the horrible job market and growing competition from stuff like tech for hobby/conspicuous consumption. Versus trying to sell to upmarket families with kids, which honestly covers the target audience for all the stuff you listed and represents a whole lot more car-buying money. A Civic Si is already nearly $25k base. Consider the tiny volumes, costs for federalizing a new bodystyle, import and exchange losses, etc., on a Type R and you're probably looking at a near $30k Civic competing directly against stuff like the Toyobaru (an actual RWD sports car), WRX, etc. I guess there's still people why buy the Golf R despite it being $35k but regardless I can see why they're wary about bringing over stuff like the Type R. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 17:40
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EnergizerFellow posted:I agree that US wagon buyers are almost exclusively enthusiast buyers and it's shocking how few manufacturers seem to get this. The example I always cite for this is the Volkswagen SportWagen. Not only is the wagon ~1/3 of all Jetta/Golf sales, but 50%+ of those wagons are not only diesels, but manual transmission diesels. I've been browsing the market for a performance wagon or hatch. I've never even considered Cadillac. Hmmm.
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Mar 4, 2014 17:42
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EnergizerFellow posted:I agree that US wagon buyers are almost exclusively enthusiast buyers and it's shocking how few manufacturers seem to get this. The example I always cite for this is the Volkswagen SportWagen. Not only is the wagon ~1/3 of all Jetta/Golf sales, but 50%+ of those wagons are not only diesels, but manual transmission diesels. It's because the current lineup of GMs was planned out and designed under an actual car enthusiast who understands that market. Look for that to go away when we start seeing stuff that was planned by the current (or maybe now outgoing) administration led by someone who knew/knows nothing about cars.
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Mar 4, 2014 17:50
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EnergizerFellow posted:I agree that US wagon buyers are almost exclusively enthusiast buyers and it's shocking how few manufacturers seem to get this. The example I always cite for this is the Volkswagen SportWagen. Not only is the wagon ~1/3 of all Jetta/Golf sales, but 50%+ of those wagons are not only diesels, but manual transmission diesels. I'm an enthusiast and own a manual sportwagen. That said, I commute via casual carpool and ride in quite a large sample of other sportwagens. Nearly all of them are diesel, but nearly all of them are also automatic and most are driven by middle aged women. This may be a heavily skewed selection, carpool in the SF area, but still interesting to me. I would suspect that while wagon drivers are disproportionately enthusiasts, the overall population of said enthusiasts is still sufficiently small that they are still in a minority even among wagon drivers.
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Mar 4, 2014 17:54
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I looked at the lineup of deals offered at my local VW dealer and every Jetta Sportwagen they had was an automatic. Or at least, all of the ones they listed there, but I didn't see any stick shifts peering in windows on the lot either.
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Mar 4, 2014 18:55
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EnergizerFellow posted:I agree that US wagon buyers are almost exclusively enthusiast buyers and it's shocking how few manufacturers seem to get this. The example I always cite for this is the Volkswagen SportWagen. Not only is the wagon ~1/3 of all Jetta/Golf sales, but 50%+ of those wagons are not only diesels, but manual transmission diesels. They really wouldn't. You are on a car forum on the internet. You likely browse other car forums on the internet, your exposure to people who think this way is much, much higher than the norm. The G8, Magnum, CTS Wagon, the GT-86/FRS/BRZ... all great examples of the types of car that I always hear people whining about that nobody sells, but when they do actually offer them, sell like poo poo.
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Mar 4, 2014 19:07
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The Toyobaru was selling above projections last I checked (which wasn't all that recently).
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Mar 4, 2014 19:32
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EnergizerFellow posted:Not only is the wagon ~1/3 of all Jetta/Golf sales, but 50%+ of those wagons are not only diesels, but manual transmission diesels. Sorry but how does that signal 'enthusiast'? To me that combo scream 'sales rep'
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Mar 4, 2014 19:48
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The argument is always "No one would buy it", so clearly every car manufacturer should just follow Toyota's model and only produce a Camry. It is a little sarcastic, but our economy thrives on exploiting niche markets. It would help if your examples, G8, CTS Wagon, Bmw/merc Wagons were actually affordable to buy for the people who want them, but all those cars get/are expensive when they are/were new.
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Mar 4, 2014 19:49
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dissss posted:Sorry but how does that signal 'enthusiast'? To me that combo scream 'sales rep' In Europe, yes. In the States, no.
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Mar 4, 2014 19:49
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blk posted:In Europe, yes. In the States, no. I get that that is the common perception on this particular message board but is it really true? After all a diesel Golf is a diesel Golf no matter where you are.
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Mar 4, 2014 20:17
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Yes, it is really true. Volkswagen is not a universal budget brand here like it is in other parts of the world. For the past couple of decades it has been slightly upmarket from domestic and Japanese offerings in the US (although they are changing that with the new Jetta and Passat). Regardless, VWs are not typically used in business or fleet applications. Most fleet buyers can purchase an American car with a gas engine and automatic transmission at a significantly lower cost than a manual TDI. The low cost of gas here makes the economy of diesel less critical to the bottom line. Additionally, most Americans do not know how to drive a manual transmission, so you will not find them in fleet applications. Furthermore, most Americans have idiotic hangups about wagons because their moms drove them in the 1970s or something. Fleet and business shoppers who are interested in efficiency tend to buy the Prius or a domestic hybrid (Fusion). I've also seen several small businesses buy Smart cars as a promotional gimmick, as they're somewhat uncommon and can catch the eye of passerby here.
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TrinityOfDeath posted:The argument is always "No one would buy it", so clearly every car manufacturer should just follow Toyota's model and only produce a Camry. Nobody is going to make a case for a production niche product that's cheap because the only way you make money on cheap poo poo is to either A) make it cheap (bad for obvious reasons and frequently actually difficult to execute) or B) sell a gently caress load of them. You can sell a Camry sedan for 21K because there are hundreds of thousands of them, so you can live with a tight margin. You can't do the same on something that you'll charitably sell thirty thousand of. Hate to break it to you, as well, but every (volume) car manufacturer has followed Toyota's model and produced a Camry.
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Mar 4, 2014 20:35
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blk posted:In Europe, yes. In the States, no. blk posted:Yes, it is really true. Volkswagen is not a universal budget brand here like it is in other parts of the world. For the past couple of decades it has been slightly upmarket from domestic and Japanese offerings in the US (although they are changing that with the new Jetta and Passat). Regardless, VWs are not typically used in business or fleet applications. Most fleet buyers can purchase an American car with a gas engine and automatic transmission at a significantly lower cost than a manual TDI. The low cost of gas here makes the economy of diesel less critical to the bottom line. Additionally, most Americans do not know how to drive a manual transmission, so you will not find them in fleet applications. Furthermore, most Americans have idiotic hangups about wagons because their moms drove them in the 1970s or something. Fleet and business shoppers who are interested in efficiency tend to buy the Prius or a domestic hybrid (Fusion). I've also seen several small businesses buy Smart cars as a promotional gimmick, as they're somewhat uncommon and can catch the eye of passerby here. I think the first comment was partially related to the manual part. In the US, you would be hard pressed to find *any* fleet vehicle(ignoring semi trucks/industrial equipment) that had a manual transmission, since the majority* of people in the US have no idea what the 3rd pedal is for. Though I agree with you on the VW not being a budget brand here and diesel not being a big money saver like it seems to be in europe. I drive a DSG Jetta sportswagen tdi, and it is the first automatic I have ever owned. Would I have gotten a 6spd if it wasn't for the fact it is for both my and the girlfriend? Prolly not actually. Mainly since I live in Seattle and the traffic is horrendous, but also because the DSG is drat nice. If I lived in a city where rush hour was not anytime that is not 10pm - 6am, I would prolly ended up with a 6spd. The jetta is my commuter/family car, not my fun car. * I have nothing to back this statement up with, I just know most people drive autos.
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Negromancer posted:I think the first comment was partially related to the manual part. In the US, you would be hard pressed to find *any* fleet vehicle(ignoring semi trucks/industrial equipment) that had a manual transmission, since the majority* of people in the US have no idea what the 3rd pedal is for. That's what I said: blk posted:most Americans do not know how to drive a manual transmission, so you will not find them in fleet applications. I hear you on not using a manual in Seattle. Driving in that city kills me. I can do it, but I don't enjoy it.
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blk posted:That's what I said: drat, missed that part, my bad. But yea, I have been driving in seattle for 13 years or so now(drat it, I am getting old), and it was not as much of a problem till I moved out of ballard/greenwood and had to start commuting downtown via i5. Taking surface streets to get around is one thing, but gently caress having to use i5 at peak commuting times with a manual. the ~10 mile drive from my house to my office takes 45 minutes each way most days, and both my house and offices are blocks from on ramps.
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Negromancer posted:drat, missed that part, my bad. What's maintenance / cost of ownership like on the DSG? Any expensive services? Does it survive into high mileage OK? I might buy a friend's DSG TDI Sportwagen for my wife if he moves abroad. Oh yeah, did you ever buy that MR2?
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A NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS!! Jaguar XFR-S Sportbrake, set to premiere at the Geneva auto show.
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^^^ that jag looks amazing. ^^^blk posted:What's maintenance / cost of ownership like on the DSG? Any expensive services? Does it survive into high mileage OK? I might buy a friend's DSG TDI Sportwagen for my wife if he moves abroad. I picked up my JSW on October 31st 2013, so no expensive services yet! Granted I think I have ~4500 miles on the car. I have been told the 30k service interval costs a couple hundred in fluid/parts, but they are supposed to be pretty good. I had 2 different spyders sold out from under me, so I decided to wait and find a nice aw11. Working on a deal for a 1mzfe swapped one in LA area currently.
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