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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The only advantage to working in an at will state is that you could basically go to work for a competitor after being fired without having to worry about any non-compete clauses.

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Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!
Day 1 at new job was awesome. Granted, it only day 1 of the 4 week training, so basically just introductions and building tour, but man I am stoked to be working there.

Also, this will be the first job in 9 years with a "normal" 8 hour working day.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Alright so, I take the evening off, and suddenly Paladine_PSoT, one of the sharpest minds in the forum is having trouble finding a job and questioning his own qualifications, and Sickening/madmaan, another poster I'm always making sure to pay attention to so I can hope to reach that level, got fired. The hell, I need to not take my eyes off this place.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

Day 1 at new job was awesome. Granted, it only day 1 of the 4 week training, so basically just introductions and building tour, but man I am stoked to be working there.

Also, this will be the first job in 9 years with a "normal" 8 hour working day.

No on-call?

gently caress I hate on-call. It's easily the worst part of the job. Sure, I probably have it easy because most of our poo poo is virtualized and weekend ticket volume is pretty low.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Sickening posted:

"At will" state so no.

Sounds like you've already got a few leads, but it doesn't seem like you would be ineligible for unemployment. Won't be much, but never hurts when you don't have an income even if it's only for a few weeks.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


A :yotj: came in.

Job title has the word 'Consultant' in, nearly doubled my previous (admittedly quite poo poo) salary, get to specialise more instead of being a jack of all trades. Finally feels like I'm starting a career instead of just working to live.

Time for a beer.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

skooma512 posted:

No on-call?

Nope! I mean there's always a chance a call may run over, but then it's overtime so I'm fine with that.

Loten
Dec 8, 2005


Caged posted:

A :yotj: came in.

Job title has the word 'Consultant' in, nearly doubled my previous (admittedly quite poo poo) salary, get to specialise more instead of being a jack of all trades. Finally feels like I'm starting a career instead of just working to live.

Time for a beer.

Congrats dude :) Awesome news.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Caged posted:

A :yotj: came in.

Job title has the word 'Consultant' in, nearly doubled my previous (admittedly quite poo poo) salary, get to specialise more instead of being a jack of all trades. Finally feels like I'm starting a career instead of just working to live.

Time for a beer.

Nice congrats.

Also I love background checks


:v: Hey we need blood in writing, first born child, ability to call the preschool you attended 20 years ago, etc.
:) This sounds exactly like my TSA clearance card thingy I have and went through, and I just use this as a reference like everyone else?
:v: No, can't use that.
-many steps later-
:colbert: Why didn't you just let us have TSA clearance thingy, this tells us all the stuff we need
:doh: I tried...

Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 4, 2014

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


Dilbert As gently caress posted:

Also I love background checks

My favorite background check was the one where they kept coming back to me asking for additional information and I kept saying "Pull my credit report. I already gave you permission to do that. Everything should be there."

They'd counter with "It's not there." (even though it was)

It finally ended with the hiring manager and HR calling me and asking what the holdup was. I told them that the background check company was worthless and they kept asking me for information that they already had. The company ended up cancelling the background check and just bringing me on when he saw how inept the company doing the background check was and how much they were bothering me with dumb questions.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Asked this earlier but how valuable is the MCSA/MCSE? Every job posting I come across appears to desire a CCNA/VCP or a mis-match of Linux skills...

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Tab8715 posted:

Asked this earlier but how valuable is the MCSA/MCSE? Every job posting I come across appears to desire a CCNA/VCP or a mis-match of Linux skills...

A legit MSCE and backed with experience is worth quite a bit, it's been buzzwordified because the HR managers are just copying and pasting poo poo into a posting.

Example: 15 years experienced VCP in VMware vSphere 4.x/5.x in many job postings.

HR managers typically have no idea what there asking, same can be said to IT Managers who are out of touch with their IT department. Which can give you job postings asking for a CCNP, MSCE, VCP, and RHCSA. When really all they are asking for is a competent Windows Admin who understands networking, virtualization, and a bit of linux.

Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 4, 2014

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Sickening posted:

I have updated my resume and uploaded it to all the major job posting sites. Tomorrow I plan on sending my resume to all the recruiters I have worded with in the past as well as going to my tried and trusty google maps method.

I have already generated about a call every two days with a 2 year old resume on them. poo poo is probably going to be bananas for the next week. System admins are needed loving everywhere no matter the variations in titles.

Well, I have looked for a job for an entire day. I have an interview tomorrow for a gig I don't even have to get on a highway to get to (in texas mind you).

:getin:

I started getting phone calls from every recruiter known to mankind. Some scams, some legit. The job I have lined up only had my resume for 5 minutes.

Sickening fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 4, 2014

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Sickening posted:

Well, I have looked for a job for an entire day. I have an interview tomorrow for a gig I don't even have to get on a highway to get to (in texas mind you).

:getin:

drat nice!

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Sickening posted:

I have updated my resume and uploaded it to all the major job posting sites.

On the same subject what are the popular sites? Indeed, Craigslist, Dice are the ones that come to mind...

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

What's the general consensus on having battery backups in your rack at a co-location facility?

We have one with a dead battery in it, and the replacement is here but I probably won't get to install it for another couple days since I have to drive 2 hours to get there.

It's not a huge deal because we've never lost power there, and our failover setup isn't really what you call 'working', it'd be more like "drive down there and get our servers and backup data etc and bring them back here and set it up in temporary office space" to be honest.

Anyway, a quick Google search turns up that some co-location facilities don't even allow you to put a UPS in your rack. I know our location has a bunch of generators and a huge rack of batteries and crap.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Tab8715 posted:

On the same subject what are the popular sites? Indeed, Craigslist, Dice are the ones that come to mind...

Indeed (its also a mesh of them all in some ways)
Careerbuilder
Craigslist (terrible in texas)
Dice
Monster
Cybercoders (even for non coding jobs)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Applying to poo poo through Indeed got me the most responses. LinkedIn is poo poo if you're actively looking for work (as opposed to just having an up to date profile and having people contact you with offers) because it hides stuff like salary information unless you pay for a job seekers account.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Bob Morales posted:

What's the general consensus on having battery backups in your rack at a co-location facility?

We have one with a dead battery in it, and the replacement is here but I probably won't get to install it for another couple days since I have to drive 2 hours to get there.

It's not a huge deal because we've never lost power there, and our failover setup isn't really what you call 'working', it'd be more like "drive down there and get our servers and backup data etc and bring them back here and set it up in temporary office space" to be honest.

Anyway, a quick Google search turns up that some co-location facilities don't even allow you to put a UPS in your rack. I know our location has a bunch of generators and a huge rack of batteries and crap.

First I heard of you being able to. In all honesty I wouldn't do it. Its too much expense for what you are getting. You are already paying for UPS and Generators with the fees you pay to the colo.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Caged posted:

Applying to poo poo through Indeed got me the most responses. LinkedIn is poo poo if you're actively looking for work (as opposed to just having an up to date profile and having people contact you with offers) because it hides stuff like salary information unless you pay for a job seekers account.

Linkedin hasn't been too great for me for my area. I feel like you would have to connect with every person you know or have ever known to get it producing for you and I don't want to go down that road.

Indeed is really solid. Probably my favorite. I think its the cheapest for employers too.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Tab8715 posted:

On the same subject what are the popular sites? Indeed, Craigslist, Dice are the ones that come to mind...

Careerbuilder(decent and you can spot the obvious fake posts), Monster (is iffy), TEKsystems. Are the others I use aside from the ones you listed.


And networking, social networks are very powerful.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Sickening posted:

First I heard of you being able to. In all honesty I wouldn't do it. Its too much expense for what you are getting. You are already paying for UPS and Generators with the fees you pay to the colo.

That's where I was leaning. I'd be more afraid of the UPS magically dying and losing power from that than the actually co-lo losing power.

A bunch of other customers have them from what I can see, though.

Here's the little 2U UPS at the bottom, just above our fancy KVM



Yes, that's a printer. Not sure why it's there.

rock2much
Feb 6, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Sickening posted:

Well, I have looked for a job for an entire day. I have an interview tomorrow for a gig I don't even have to get on a highway to get to (in texas mind you).

:getin:

I started getting phone calls from every recruiter known to mankind. Some scams, some legit. The job I have lined up only had my resume for 5 minutes.

I haven't read this thread in a few days and I'm glad you're getting back into employment so quickly.

Question: How do you all feel about applying for jobs internally that you're not exactly qualified for yet? I'm prepared to answer a lot of questions with "While I don't know exactly how to do this, I'd find the info by _______." I just don't want to worry about that biting me in the rear end and becoming the guy who just applies for everything he can't do. In my case I have a Net+, studying for CCNA and I'm currently on the help desk but I'm on loan to the networking group for a few months (grunt work while the seniors are at a new site). I'd like to apply for the wireless specialist job which wants 5 years of experience that I clearly don't have.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Talk to the supervisor handling the hiring informally, that's the beauty of applying for internal positions.

Verdugo
Jan 5, 2009


Lipstick Apathy

rock2much posted:

I haven't read this thread in a few days and I'm glad you're getting back into employment so quickly.

Question: How do you all feel about applying for jobs internally that you're not exactly qualified for yet? I'm prepared to answer a lot of questions with "While I don't know exactly how to do this, I'd find the info by _______." I just don't want to worry about that biting me in the rear end and becoming the guy who just applies for everything he can't do. In my case I have a Net+, studying for CCNA and I'm currently on the help desk but I'm on loan to the networking group for a few months (grunt work while the seniors are at a new site). I'd like to apply for the wireless specialist job which wants 5 years of experience that I clearly don't have.

IMO, applying for a position you're slightly underqualified for shows drive and confidence in your abilities. Let the organization tell you no. Don't sell yourself short.

Why pass up a possible opportunity to increase knowledge, and have a better challenge at work, and build personal growth?

^^^ What he says too. Talk to the supervisor informally. It's how I was on track to a new position, the :yotj: I received outside my organization is way better though. And I applied even though I was slightly underqualified in both instances.

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma
One thing that might help as well is working out how long it will take you to get to speed with the position. If it fits in with the demand of the role, it should be easy to sell it to the hiring manager that way.

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?
Ugh... what a bummer, my probation is almost up and I had my appraisal today, after more than an hour of very useful/positive feedback I was denied a pay rise.

In one hand it's kind of understandable since the IT/VOIP services we subscribe to handle the major stuff. But on the other hand I'm still the one guy maintaining and developing for the CRM (Salesforce) which is the lifeblood of the business, as well as constantly reconfiguring the phone system upon request and with changing staff, and doing various tech support; like last week the all-in-one PC I ordered shipped with a loose HDD and I drove to the other office to fix.

I'm pretty much a terrible negotiator, but I disagreed with keeping my pay at £15,000 and will try to get this discussed again as I'm feeling very shortchanged. Especially since;
- My wife earns £20,000 working in a call center, and the friend I roped into the business earns more than me as the office admin.
- I'm orchestrating the migration of our IT equipment and services as we're moving office, going on site surveys to plan out networking with a contractor etc.

At the very least if I can stick out and get the basic and advanced Salesforce certs, there are some tasty jobs out there for it.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Today I learned that Salesforce has certs.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Super Slash posted:

Ugh... what a bummer, my probation is almost up and I had my appraisal today, after more than an hour of very useful/positive feedback I was denied a pay rise.
Stick it out for a year then peace the gently caress out. I'd get something generalist over a salesforce cert too.

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Docjowles posted:

Today I learned that Salesforce has certs.

I find the whole thing amazingly ridiculous.


evil_bunnY posted:

Stick it out for a year then peace the gently caress out. I'd get something generalist over a salesforce cert too.

Well it's on their dime, so either way works for me to have freebies!

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


£15k for anyone who knows anything about IT is pretty much an insult. But "the economy".

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
I don't understand European currency, it seems like anyone making over £25k there is bank rolling - you guys must pay cheap for everything except gas.

rock2much
Feb 6, 2004

Grimey Drawer

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Talk to the supervisor handling the hiring informally, that's the beauty of applying for internal positions.

I emailed him and he told me the wireless job is above my current skill set BUT they were already preparing a few roles that I would be able to fill for the spring! I just have to sit tight and not get out-interviewed when the time comes. Thanks for the advice guys/gals!

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Sepist posted:

I don't understand European currency, it seems like anyone making over £25k there is bank rolling - you guys must pay cheap for everything except gas.

I dunno, some of your wage figures of $60k for helpdesk surprise me because it sounds like a huge amount of cash. I wouldn't say cost of living is particularly cheap, VAT is 20%, taxes are about average for Europe. I have trouble working out what your extra costs are that mean you aren't living like kings, especially as something that costs $1000 ends up being £1000. Medical? Other insurance that everyone has to have? College fund?

I think the average UK salary is something like £26k, but I don't think that's a comfortable amount to be living on vs. just getting by. Obviously depends where you are.

Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 4, 2014

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Caged posted:

I dunno, some of your wage figures of $60k for helpdesk surprise me because it sounds like a huge amount of cash. I wouldn't say cost of living is particularly cheap, VAT is 20%, taxes are about average for Europe. I have trouble working out what your extra costs are that mean you aren't living like kings, especially as something that costs $1000 ends up being £1000. Medical? Other insurance that everyone has to have? College fund?

I think the average UK salary is something like £26k, but I don't think that's a comfortable amount to be living on vs. just getting by. Obviously depends where you are.

The average american lifestyle is really wasteful. The amount of money we spend on air condition and commuting is pretty nuts.

Paladine_PSoT
Jan 2, 2010

If you have a problem Yo, I'll solve it

rock2much posted:

I emailed him and he told me the wireless job is above my current skill set BUT they were already preparing a few roles that I would be able to fill for the spring! I just have to sit tight and not get out-interviewed when the time comes. Thanks for the advice guys/gals!

The important thing about this is be suspicious. A lot metric fuckton of bosses give lip service like this for any number of reasons. Advancement within a company is much more rare than just moving to a higher position with a new company. I highly recommend reading the whole thread and maybe some of the last thread to get an idea for how to climb the ladder.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Also the exchange rate is very favorable for the UK right now, ~1.60 USD to 1 GBP. That said, yes, 15k in either currency for an IT position is terrible. Especially if you're somewhere like London with insane cost of living.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!
Finished my second day of training. The conversation mostly went from Day 1: Magic The Gathering / Warhammer / World of Warcraft to Day 2: Superman vs. The Hulk. Lots of wasted time here. Anyways, still super pumped to be doing this now! Can't wait to take some actual calls.

My question is, what is the general pay increase going from contracted to permanent? I have a 4 month contract right now at $22.88/hr. There's been a lot of talk in the training about how just about everybody gets an offer to be permanent. So, what should I expect here? I've heard that my recruiter can be getting paid as high as $35/hr for me and that I should expect to see somewhere near that level when taken on to perm, but I've also heard different. Just wondering how these things generally work and how I should approach it when the time comes.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Too many variables. That extra XX your company is getting offsets all the money they're saving by not having the head count.

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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Sickening posted:

Linkedin hasn't been too great for me for my area. I feel like you would have to connect with every person you know or have ever known to get it producing for you and I don't want to go down that road.

Indeed is really solid. Probably my favorite. I think its the cheapest for employers too.

Their resume parser is the best I've seen in terms of not loving up the format of your format.

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