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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Pivo posted:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/16365-sapphire-radeon-hd-4890-1gb-review.html

I was going by this. It's a review of a 4890 posted 5 years ago

The price tag suggests mid-range

They did have the 4870 X2, two 4870s on one card.

4890 was the best single GPU AMD card at the time.

Pivo posted:

i5s are cheap and overclock well.

Not too true on the cheap front, since with Haswell you cannot overclock at all (not even a few bins) unless you have a -K and Z87 board. Overclocking is barely worth it unless you have the money to burn and you enjoy it.

A locked i5 is still the recommended CPU though, for those on a budget.

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 1, 2014

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Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


I have a 3570k that I'm running stable at 4.2ghz on air, and it will not need to be upgraded for a very long time. I guess I wouldn't say it was cheap because I got a relatively high-end board and cooler, but all in all for about 450 bucks for CPU/board/16gb RAM/cooler that will last many years I wouldn't say it was expensive either.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Has anyone cracked open one of these new Seagate Slim 2.5" externals?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178435

Looks like we've arrived at 2TB@9.5mm?

Edit: oh it looks like it was news last Nov. but no bare drives yet. Pretty decent deal I guess for $110-$120 if you pop these externals. Drobo mini anyone?

Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Mar 1, 2014

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free
I have an LCD monitor that's probably going on 6 years old. It works, but only after a 10-minute warm-up period. Until then, it flickers non-stop bad enough to give me a headache. I've tried both VGA and DVI modes with multiple cables, attached to different machines, so I'm certain it's the monitor itself. Any thoughts on things I can do, or is it time to put her out to pasture?

Moogs
Jan 25, 2004

Proceeds the Weedian... Nazareth
Okay, so. My buddy has an Acer Aspire M5800 (I know) that has gone no lights. He went away for the weekend with the computer off, and came back to getting nothing at all on pressing the power button. No beeps, no spinning.

He had tested the power supply with a multimeter (and is an engineer, so I trust that he knows how to do it), so he thought it could only be the motherboard. He bought another motherboard and installed it, and the same thing - no lights. He does now get a light on his ethernet port (not sure if that wasn't the case before).

Seems like the only thing it could be now is the processor? He wasn't having freezing or crashing issues before it died, but I don't know what else it could be, really. Any thoughts?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Moogs posted:

Okay, so. My buddy has an Acer Aspire M5800 (I know) that has gone no lights. He went away for the weekend with the computer off, and came back to getting nothing at all on pressing the power button. No beeps, no spinning.

He had tested the power supply with a multimeter (and is an engineer, so I trust that he knows how to do it), so he thought it could only be the motherboard. He bought another motherboard and installed it, and the same thing - no lights. He does now get a light on his ethernet port (not sure if that wasn't the case before).

Seems like the only thing it could be now is the processor? He wasn't having freezing or crashing issues before it died, but I don't know what else it could be, really. Any thoughts?

If he wants to fix it he could continue to buy parts and swap them out (power supply is the most likely culprit even if the voltages look okay on a multimeter, but it could be any part really). His money is probably better served getting a new PC together, however.

Siochain
May 24, 2005

"can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."


JohnnyCanuck posted:

I have an LCD monitor that's probably going on 6 years old. It works, but only after a 10-minute warm-up period. Until then, it flickers non-stop bad enough to give me a headache. I've tried both VGA and DVI modes with multiple cables, attached to different machines, so I'm certain it's the monitor itself. Any thoughts on things I can do, or is it time to put her out to pasture?

Bad capacitors. If you are comfortable with soldering and tinkering a bit, its really quite easy. Takes a few dollars in parts from a local place/online.

Otherwise, junk it.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Pivo posted:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/16365-sapphire-radeon-hd-4890-1gb-review.html

I was going by this. It's a review of a 4890 posted 5 years ago

The price tag suggests mid-range

ATI couldn't compete very well at the higher end in those days. The 4890 was the best single gpu card they had, and they sold it based on being quieter, cooler and better bang for buck than NVIDIA's stuff. They eventually brought out a dual gpu card to compete at the high end.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
AMD never intended to compete on the high end with HD 4000. At the time, Nvidia's GPUs were huge, hot, and expensive. AMD targeted the mid-high-end sweet spot intentionally, betting that the trend would continue. And it really did; GT200 was 576mm2 on 65nm. Even the ludicrously big GK110 is smaller than that.

Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Mar 2, 2014

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Factory Factory posted:

At the time, Nvidia's GPUs were huge, hot, and expensive.

Don't I know it. I bought a pair of these for my first computer, and stuffed them in an Atec 900:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-9800gx2

Sometimes they'd hit 102 degrees. I was a silly boy.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I have a Samsung 840 Pro 256Gig SSD that is my scratch drive for editing and After Effects work.

About once a month I'll boot up and get a notice from After Effects that the scratch drive has locked itself and become read only. The only solution is to reformat the disk and re-link all my scratch drive links in each program (which is loving annoying).

Any idea why this would happen? I only instruct AE to use about 80 gigs for scratch so it's never getting even close to full.

My main OS drive is an 830 256gig SSD.

I'm on Windows 7 64 bit and AE CC.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

BonoMan posted:

I have a Samsung 840 Pro 256Gig SSD that is my scratch drive for editing and After Effects work.

About once a month I'll boot up and get a notice from After Effects that the scratch drive has locked itself and become read only. The only solution is to reformat the disk and re-link all my scratch drive links in each program (which is loving annoying).

Any idea why this would happen? I only instruct AE to use about 80 gigs for scratch so it's never getting even close to full.

My main OS drive is an 830 256gig SSD.

I'm on Windows 7 64 bit and AE CC.
It sounds like TRIM isn't working on this drive for some reason. Confirm that it is connected to an Intel SATA600 controller, ports provided by another controller will not work. Also confirm AHCI is enabled in the BIOS and that you have the Intel Rapid Storage technology drivers. If you still have issues, make a post in the Haus of Tech Support, and include what motherboard you have.

Alleric
Dec 10, 2002

Rambly Bastard...
Tried looking this one up on google and the list of stuff that comes back is a nightmare.

I have a machine in the house that has two RAID 1's in it hung off of the Intel RST RAID controller built into the P55 chipset. The motherboard has started throwing some bizzaro fan errors on boot and holding the machine hostage until someone checks on it to hit F1 (the machine is not normally hit by any user interfaces; normally hit across the network). We've decided we don't trust it and I've ordered a new H87 motherboard and Core I5 to swap out.

Does anyone happen to know if RST on the newer chipsets is smart enough to know when it is seeing a legacy RST RAID config on connected drives? I can, of course, completely rebuild this host from image backup, but I was just curious if I could save myself the hassle and time and just connect the drives, fire things up and the chipset won't corrupt the RAID groups, leaving the "CHRIST WHAT JUST HAPPENED?!?!" to Windows when it sees the new motherboard and CPU.

I'll be taking the backup just before the rebuild either way. Just looking for a glimmer of this-will-only-take-you-20-minutes-not-4-hours light.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Alereon posted:

It sounds like TRIM isn't working on this drive for some reason. Confirm that it is connected to an Intel SATA600 controller, ports provided by another controller will not work. Also confirm AHCI is enabled in the BIOS and that you have the Intel Rapid Storage technology drivers. If you still have issues, make a post in the Haus of Tech Support, and include what motherboard you have.

Copy that, thanks! Won't be able to get to it until next week but I'll report back then.

Illusive Fuck Man
Jul 5, 2004
RIP John McCain feel better xoxo 💋 🙏
Taco Defender
Not really sure this is the right thread for this, but whatevs. Should this be in the cisco thread? home networking?

I need a way to set up a switch in a certain way. I'll try to describe it.

Packets coming in on physical port 1 can go out to wherever. Packets coming in on any other physical port can go to port 1 and only port 1. They cannot go anywhere else under any circumstance.

Is this a simple/standard thing to set up? Is this what port based vlans are for? I did some research and read some conflicting stuff and got a little confused about whether a port can belong to multiple vlans. Does it differ based on the switch manufacturer/hardware?

ThinkFear
Sep 15, 2007

For that, you want "Private VLANs". Basically the wired version of client isolation. What model switch?

Welmu
Oct 9, 2007
Metri. Piiri. Sekunti.
Would it be technically feasible for hard drive manufacturers to make a ~5400 rpm HD in the form factor of a 5.25" bay slot (dvd-drive sized)? I'm mainly curious if there any technological barriers due to the larger platter size that prevent their implication - it would be pretty sweet to overcome the density barrier for a while and purchase a large ~8tb drive, as long as it's reliable.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Welmu posted:

Would it be technically feasible for hard drive manufacturers to make a ~5400 rpm HD in the form factor of a 5.25" bay slot (dvd-drive sized)? I'm mainly curious if there any technological barriers due to the larger platter size that prevent their implication - it would be pretty sweet to overcome the density barrier for a while and purchase a large ~8tb drive, as long as it's reliable.

Physically I don't see why not, just that the market would be tiny and it wouldn't be worth it.

People usually recommend buying multiple smaller drives instead of one big one anyway, that way if it shits the bed you don't lose everything.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Welmu posted:

Would it be technically feasible for hard drive manufacturers to make a ~5400 rpm HD in the form factor of a 5.25" bay slot (dvd-drive sized)? I'm mainly curious if there any technological barriers due to the larger platter size that prevent their implication - it would be pretty sweet to overcome the density barrier for a while and purchase a large ~8tb drive, as long as it's reliable.
Yes, how fast the disk surface is moving under the head (and thus how hard it is to read) is based on both the rotational speed of the disk and the diameter of the platter. Larger drives are also slower because there is more distance for the head to seek across the platter. The trend is to go with smaller drives rather than larger, nearly all drives for servers or dense storage are 2.5" laptop-sized drives. You can cram much more storage in the same physical volume (and energy usage) with smaller form-factor drives.

Someone who is better at physics and numbers than me should do the math to figure out what rpm on a 5.25" disc would match 7200rpm on a 3.5" disc.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Alereon posted:

Someone who is better at physics and numbers than me should do the math to figure out what rpm on a 5.25" disc would match 7200rpm on a 3.5" disc.

3.5" diameter platter moves ~11" under the head per rotation at the outer edge. A 5.25" diameter platter would move ~16.5" per rotation at the outer edge.

At 7200rpm on a 3.5", that's 79200" per minute. Divide that by 16.5" and that's 4800rpm to traverse the same distance at the outer edge on a drive with a diameter of 5.25".

It gets a lot more complicated when you realize that the head moves around a lot, so just talking about the outer track isn't the whole picture.

edit: derp. said second when I meant minute. math stays the same.

Pivo fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Mar 6, 2014

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Anyhow physically there's really no reason it can't be done, hard drives used to be mammoth size, you can make a mammoth hard drive with today's densities if you want. Just nobody wants them. Seek time will be the big factor and no one likes seek time.

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


I have a bunch of SATA drives that are like 4-5 years old and I'm afraid to do anything with them, or generally don't need them any more. What should I do with these drives? Hammer some nails through the tops and toss them? Do some secure wipe and donate them to a local computer hardware place? Is secure wipe even a real thing?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

ShaneB posted:

I have a bunch of SATA drives that are like 4-5 years old and I'm afraid to do anything with them, or generally don't need them any more. What should I do with these drives? Hammer some nails through the tops and toss them? Do some secure wipe and donate them to a local computer hardware place? Is secure wipe even a real thing?
Do one full overwrite pass and you are good to go. There are urban legends about recovering data that has been overwritten but nothing like that works on modern drives. Non-working drives should have both the electronics and platters physically damaged, data is still professionally recoverable but no one is going to go to the effort/expense. Depending on the number of drives you have you may be able to make decent money by selling the aluminum cases for scrap, but if you have to disassemble them yourself that probably isn't worth doing.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



ShaneB posted:

I have a bunch of SATA drives that are like 4-5 years old and I'm afraid to do anything with them, or generally don't need them any more. What should I do with these drives? Hammer some nails through the tops and toss them? Do some secure wipe and donate them to a local computer hardware place? Is secure wipe even a real thing?

I like to just take them apart, rip out the nice and strong magnets (be careful you don't pinch your fingers with them) and my mom likes to take the platters as they're nice and reflective.


Welmu posted:

Would it be technically feasible for hard drive manufacturers to make a ~5400 rpm HD in the form factor of a 5.25" bay slot (dvd-drive sized)? I'm mainly curious if there any technological barriers due to the larger platter size that prevent their implication - it would be pretty sweet to overcome the density barrier for a while and purchase a large ~8tb drive, as long as it's reliable.

I used to have one of these motherfuckers and if I still had an IDE board I could get one for kicks at a local thrift shop. Long before that I also had a 800 MB(!) monster that was two 5.25" bays high and one wide. That thing had eight platters inside.

Illusive Fuck Man
Jul 5, 2004
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Taco Defender

ThinkFear posted:

For that, you want "Private VLANs". Basically the wired version of client isolation. What model switch?

Right now I'm playing with a "DXS 3250" from ebay, but later on I guess I'll be buying more switches. The manual says it supports private vlans, but that is all it says about them. Just loving around trying to figure things out, I got it to do this:
packets coming in on port 2 get tagged with vlan 2. only vlan 2 tagged packets get sent out on port 2
packets coming in on port 3 get tagged with vlan 3. only vlan 3 tagged packets get sent out on port 3
port 4 gets the packets from both vlans, but they come out tagged. Let's call the guy receiving them 'host 4'

problem: to receive vlan tagged packets in linux, you have to create an interface for each vlan. These vlans all have the same subnet, so I don't really know how(or if) the routes can be set up. If host 4 sends untagged packets, they go nowhere.

Is there a way to set it up so 'host 4' does not have to worry about tags?

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Welp, just decided to test the temps that my CPU is getting to under load so I fired up Prime95 and Realtemp. After about 5 minutes every core was around 95 degrees. Stock cooler, stock clocks on a 3570k. I built this computer quite sometime ago (2012), and have never really bothered to check my CPU temps. Case is a CM 690 II advance and I have two open air GTX 570's in here (a bad idea in retrospect). Should I go out and immediately remount my CPU/buy a better cooler? I live in Australia so the ambients are usually pretty high.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Get a better cooler for sure. They're not that expensive. My 3570k runs at 4.2ghz on air, although I'm sure my room is a bit cooler than Australia in the summer. Temps sometimes spike but nowhere near the thermal limit so I don't care. Using good thermal paste and applying it properly will help too. Some people de-lid their CPUs, I didn't, and it's not for the faint of heart.

If your computer works fine in general and you want to save money, I wouldn't worry about it. It'll downclock and eventually shut down when it overheats, you can't break them by overheating them these dyas.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Got a security question about WPA2-PSK and SSIDs.

Let's say I have a router with WPA2-PSK. The SSID is "FARTY" and the password (PSK) is "doodoo". If someone sets up a router with the exact same SSID ("FARTY"), will the devices talking to the real "FARTY" network share their password ("doodoo") with the fake network, allowing the person who set up the fake network to capture the password for the real network?

I am thinking there has to be some way to prevent this since it is such an obvious attack vector.

Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 6, 2014

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Three-Phase posted:

Got a security question about WPA2-PSK and SSIDs.

Let's say I have a router with WPA2-PSK. The SSID is "FARTY" and the password (PSK) is "doodoo". If someone sets up a router with the exact same SSID ("FARTY"), will the devices talking to the real "FARTY" network share their password with the fake network?

I am thinking there has to be some way to prevent this since it is such an obvious attack vector.

No the password isn't sent in the clear (is it sent at all? I don't have this poo poo memorized, I imagine it'd be a challenge-response type thing rather than broadcasting the actual password)

You have to know the PSK to decrypt communications, Bob's router won't know it

Just use WPA2 and turn off WPS and you're as secure as you can be

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Pivo posted:

No the password isn't sent in the clear (is it sent at all? I don't have this poo poo memorized, I imagine it'd be a challenge-response type thing rather than broadcasting the actual password)
Here's the technical details of how this works, to oversimplify both sides just use the key to encrypt the data they send and decrypt the data they receive, since the key was programmed into both the router and client it never needs to be sent. This is why if the key is wrong you don't get an error message, the connection just can't exchange data.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Alereon posted:

Here's the technical details of how this works, to oversimplify both sides just use the key to encrypt the data they send and decrypt the data they receive, since the key was programmed into both the router and client it never needs to be sent. This is why if the key is wrong you don't get an error message, the connection just can't exchange data.

Yeah I figured it was like that. Secure handshakes are always more complicated in practice than they are in theory, I was out for a smoke trying to figure out how I'd do this and I figured the router would challenge with a unique ID of some sort, you'd hash it with the PSK to prove you know it, then you do SSL-like key exchange with *that* to generate a unique key for the session. I guess I wasn't tooooo far off. It's actually pretty close.

The point stands though, the PSK is never broadcast.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Should I be testing USB sticks for integrity if they're used for -important- files? Is this even possible?

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Shaocaholica posted:

Should I be testing USB sticks for integrity if they're used for -important- files? Is this even possible?

Why do you need to do this? USB sticks shouldn't be used for archival purposes.

You can always MD5 the file after you copy it to make sure it matches the one you copied, but it shouldn't be an issue. AFAIK flash drives use wear-levelling algos on the controller just like SSDs do, so it's pretty unlikely you'll wear one out before you lose it or destroy it anyway.

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

Shaocaholica posted:

Should I be testing USB sticks for integrity if they're used for -important- files? Is this even possible?

I'd use something to generate/test par files like this

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Pivo posted:

Why do you need to do this? USB sticks shouldn't be used for archival purposes.

Not for archival. Sometimes at work we use them to deliver data to a vendor or generally shuttle data around for whatever reason. Sometimes I use them to take large prints to the printers. Just wanted to know if theres a good way to know if one might be on the verge or dying or dead instead of finding out in production.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Shaocaholica posted:

Not for archival. Sometimes at work we use them to deliver data to a vendor or generally shuttle data around for whatever reason. Sometimes I use them to take large prints to the printers. Just wanted to know if theres a good way to know if one might be on the verge or dying or dead instead of finding out in production.

Yeah, as I said, just hash/fingerprint/etc the files after you copy them. md5 is good enough and fast. You're really looking for a problem that doesn't exist, to be honest, but if you really want to be sure. If you can read it back well enough to get an identical hash, you've honestly gone beyond what anyone else would do.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


I guess this sorta falls under a hardware question, but I'm hoping someone can recommend me a new case.

I'm looking for one that's fairly large as I came into possession of a closed liquid cooler for my i7-920. I'd also like if it had built in hard drive slots with the SATA adapters in them so it makes running cables a bit easier as I've got 5 hard drives at the moment. Hopefully not too expensive and no external LEDs beyond the power and hard drive lights.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:

I guess this sorta falls under a hardware question, but I'm hoping someone can recommend me a new case.

I'm looking for one that's fairly large as I came into possession of a closed liquid cooler for my i7-920. I'd also like if it had built in hard drive slots with the SATA adapters in them so it makes running cables a bit easier as I've got 5 hard drives at the moment. Hopefully not too expensive and no external LEDs beyond the power and hard drive lights.

I've just bought this case and I'm very happy with it for the price.

It's roomy, has removable drive trays and a single led strip on the front for power. It doesn't have sata slots built in, but the hard drives go sideways so the cables don't protrude across the motherboard.

The motherboard is surrounded by holes to run cables, so all the cables immediately disappear behind the motherboard tray. I've got 6 in mine with no cable issues.

Not quite all your boxes ticked but you might find the price makes it worthwhile.

Prince John fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 7, 2014

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:

I guess this sorta falls under a hardware question, but I'm hoping someone can recommend me a new case.

I'm looking for one that's fairly large as I came into possession of a closed liquid cooler for my i7-920. I'd also like if it had built in hard drive slots with the SATA adapters in them so it makes running cables a bit easier as I've got 5 hard drives at the moment. Hopefully not too expensive and no external LEDs beyond the power and hard drive lights.

The answer to this question will depend entirely on what "expensive" means to you.

These guys do a crapload of case reviews on YouTube (and they're from Toronto, yay!): http://www.youtube.com/user/HardwareCanucks/videos

As for LEDs, don't let that bother you. You can always snip the cables (hardcore) or simply unplug them. A good case is a good case even if it's gaudy out of the box.

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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Thanks guys, that's a big help. That first one looks promising and i'll check out that youtube.

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