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I would actually wait until after GP Richmond, any sort of strong showing there for Jund or Naya would bump the price a bit more, but yeah, cash out on Domri for sure.
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Talking of price speculation, will brimaz keep this $30+ pricetag or do you think it will drop? I kind of want a playset for a mono white deck I am thinking of.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:11
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He will drop. Not even an multi-format all star Liliana of the Veil maintained her "new in standard" price for very long. She dropped to as low as 16 dollars at one point.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:13
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Stinky Pit posted:He will drop. Not even an multi-format all star Liliana of the Veil maintained her "new in standard" price for very long. She dropped to as low as 16 dollars at one point. What do you think would be a respectable price for him? I can't really see him in decks other than u/w control (which rotates) and white weenie/auras.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:16
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One cool pro tip that will make you happier is to buy cards you intend to use immediately but otherwise pick stuff up when it's an obviously good deal.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:18
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Samael posted:What do you think would be a respectable price for him? I can't really see him in decks other than u/w control (which rotates) and white weenie/auras. 15-20 Would be respectable, once Theros rotates out. Until then 20-25 is about what I would expect to pay.
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Also please understand, there is no crystal ball. Some new deck or a tweak to an existing one could come around for a card and make its price jump in unpredictable ways. I'm sure there were people telling others to dump Liliana of the Veil at $30 or $40 and look where we are now. It's easiest to call for things that are going to be rotating soon (obviously). Unless you really want the cash now I might hold on to Brimaz for example, there's a lot of time left for him in Standard and he's certainly got at least theoretical potential in Modern so I wouldn't really try to crystal ball him just yet.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:26
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Stinky Pit posted:Not enough to sustain his current price. Sell him now, pocket the profits and when he rotates pick him up if you want for Modern at less than you sold him for. This is good advice. That's what I just realized I've been doing for years since I typically get bored of standard around January/February and sell things off, trade for new staples, and retreat to modern/legacy for a few months. For an easy example, trade off and get as many thoughtseizes and temples right now. Thoughtseize will be $30-40 next modern season and temples will no doubt be $10-15 staples much like fast lands or the first year of check lands. Trade those for MMA2 fetch lands that year or the next. There you go, foot in the door for modern.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:26
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Entropic posted:People always vaguely remember that Maro said players hate downsides so therefore somehow they're never going to reprint anything with a downside. Which ignores that a) all he actually said is that all-downside mechanics like Echo score poorly and b) they still print cards with downsides constantly. This depresses me a bit, because Echo is one of those quietly awesome keywords that hasn't shown up that much. I guess I understand players not liking paying for a card twice, but it lets them print "undercosted" cards in a way that doesn't actually break the game. Not to mention Echo has the great side effect of giving you an easy way to get a creature into your graveyard.
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Some Numbers posted:This depresses me a bit, because Echo is one of those quietly awesome keywords that hasn't shown up that much. I guess I understand players not liking paying for a card twice, but it lets them print "undercosted" cards in a way that doesn't actually break the game. I think the problem with echo is that it punishes newer players who don't keep track of all upkeep effects - they've been trying to do fewer upkeep-or-sac effects in general, I believe. Evoke seemed like a decent way to make an echo creature work without echo.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:28
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Entropic posted:The shuffling thing is probably a real concern, but they are totally and completely willing to do life as a payment for effects all the drat time. They just reprinted shock-lands, remember? I'm aware they printed shocklands. Read what I wrote again before you get so hostile. "The mandatory life loss (on lands because this is the context we're talking in) is something they like to avoid nowadays". Life-loss on shocks is not mandatory! Every decision Wizards makes has pros and cons, and I'm sure the pros of reprinting shocks outweighs the cons, one of which is that they try to avoid life-loss on lands. Life loss in black is a major, major part of its flavor/color pie. Life loss on fetches has very little design value, and is purely a developmental concern to prevent them from being strictly better than basics. E: Seriously, holy gently caress what an unwarranted rear end you are being. Lord Of Texas fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Mar 6, 2014 |
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Mar 6, 2014 21:30
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toadee posted:I'm sure there were people telling others to dump Liliana of the Veil at $30 or $40 and look where we are now. You shouldn't let this affect you very much. If you got out of a card and made a profit or at least your money back, always be glad and never beat yourself up for it. If it went up more than what you sold it all, who cares, it could have easily dropped, be glad you realized some profit and start looking for the next card you want. or think is a safe spec.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:32
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Stinky Pit posted:You shouldn't let this affect you very much. If you got out of a card and made a profit or at least your money back, always be glad and never beat yourself up for it. If it went up more than what you sold it all, who cares, it could have easily dropped, be glad you realized some profit and start looking for the next card you want. or think is a safe spec. I'm just saying, don't treat predictions about future prices like they are set in stone. Just, since we're talking about other peoples' money, I feel apt to add the disclaimer.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:34
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I waited about 6 months before collecting shocklands because I had a feeling they'd begin to drop. Picked up my vents when they were around 7, and my Foundries when they were 10. I managed to grab up my entire playset of shocks about a week ago with my final godless shrines and overgrown tombs. I'm probably gonna ask for RTR and GTC as prize packs from this point on. Is that a good idea considering foundries are like 16 bucks right now?
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Mar 6, 2014 21:52
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I think RTR has the most eternal playable stuff anyway right? I mean you have Verdict, Resto Angel, Abrupt Decay, Deathrite in Legacy, and then obviously the shocks.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:54
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toadee posted:I think RTR has the most eternal playable stuff anyway right? I mean you have Verdict, Resto Angel, Abrupt Decay, Deathrite in Legacy, and then obviously the shocks. Resto Angel was in Avacyn Restored.
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Mar 6, 2014 21:57
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If the Zendikar fetches are reprinted as rares, will we be able to redraft them?
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Stinky Pit posted:Not enough to sustain his current price. Sell him now, pocket the profits and when he rotates pick him up if you want for Modern at less than you sold him for. Oh, I definitely know he isn't a $30 modern card. I use the card in standard, so he's worth a lot more than list price to me, and I feel like losing value on rotation is just a cost of the format until you develop a large enough card pool to trade around price fluctuations. I was just curious if anyone had any educated guesses on how much, if any, retained value will be there.
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Mar 6, 2014 22:01
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Entropic posted:Resto Angel was in Avacyn Restored. Haha dur, I was getting it confused with Angel of Serenity, which is... not as good.
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Mar 6, 2014 22:02
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I miss decks that actually played Angel of Serenity. I'm so tired of Aetherling as the go-to Control finisher at this point.
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Entropic posted:I miss decks that actually played Angel of Serenity. I'm so tired of Aetherling as the go-to Control finisher at this point. Gotta say I'm pretty pumped for Aetherling to rotate. And control in general, even as a control player. I just want some more complex mechanics than "turn guys sideways" or "stop people from turning guys sideways then play guy that turns sideways better". INN/RTR standard had reanimator, which as toxic to the format as it was, was actually interesting to watch/play. I can't believe I'm yearning for the days of thragtusk, but god drat is standard boring now.
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Entropic posted:I miss decks that actually played Angel of Serenity. I'm so tired of Aetherling as the go-to Control finisher at this point. I'm surprised more decks don't play Aetherling, but I guess 6-drops are quite rare in Standard as is (Aetherling, Elspeth, and Garruk I think are the only ones). It's very hard for any deck to justify a 7-drop, unless it auto-wins games.
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Standard is great right now because there are tons of different decks
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Mortimer posted:Gotta say I'm pretty pumped for Aetherling to rotate. And control in general, even as a control player. I just want some more complex mechanics than "turn guys sideways" or "stop people from turning guys sideways then play guy that turns sideways better". INN/RTR standard had reanimator, which as toxic to the format as it was, was actually interesting to watch/play. I can't believe I'm yearning for the days of thragtusk, but god drat is standard boring now. Thragtusk was just turning dudes sideways too. "Turn dudes sideways, maybe a sweeper" is what you're going to get in standard. Control decks are going to have some kind of win condition that offers inevitability unless they're somehow unplayable, then you get to play against midrange Jund and Naya good stuff decks forever.
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Mortimer posted:I can't believe I'm yearning for the days of thragtusk, but god drat is standard boring now. Not me. The "20 life means something" world is one I want to live in. Thragtusk just made aggro decks completely nonviable the entire time he existed, because the midrange/control player really had 25 or 30 life, impossible to burn them down before you won. He should've been in M12 so he lived his whole life along with Infect, an aggro deck that didn't give a poo poo about life totals.
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JerryLee posted:What was the print run for Zendikar like? I know we're a few years on from it at this point, but Zendikar wasn't an early-2000s "magic is still a niche nerd hobby" era set either. The rule of thumb is that for rares and mythics, anything pre-Scars didn't get a big enough run to hold up to sustained demand from today's player base.
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qbert posted:I'm surprised more decks don't play Aetherling, but I guess 6-drops are quite rare in Standard as is (Aetherling, Elspeth, and Garruk I think are the only ones). It's very hard for any deck to justify a 7-drop, unless it auto-wins games. Aetherling is a 7-drop, really.
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Tharizdun posted:Not me. The "20 life means something" world is one I want to live in. Thragtusk just made aggro decks completely nonviable the entire time he existed, because the midrange/control player really had 25 or 30 life, impossible to burn them down before you won. He should've been in M12 so he lived his whole life along with Infect, an aggro deck that didn't give a poo poo about life totals. I just wish Thragtusk had a cost like 2GGG so he didn't get to be splashed in every deck ever for a year. If Thragtusk had swapped mana costs with Vorapede, that standard would have been cooler.
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Entropic posted:Aetherling is a 7-drop, really. And it auto-wins games, so there you go.
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Tharizdun posted:Not me. The "20 life means something" world is one I want to live in. Thragtusk just made aggro decks completely nonviable the entire time he existed, because the midrange/control player really had 25 or 30 life, impossible to burn them down before you won. He should've been in M12 so he lived his whole life along with Infect, an aggro deck that didn't give a poo poo about life totals. As much as I hate Thragtusk, and I do hate that card, there was still the aristocrats and big red in that standard. I think there were more entertaining decks to play in that standard compared to now. This standard, however, isn't bad. Yes, its dominated by the big three of Monoblack, Monoblue and U/W control, but R/G is definitely next in line, with a slew of aggro decks right below, waiting to crack into the format. This is a very good, diverse format. No 1 deck has absolute dominance and there are plenty of tier 1.5 and tier 2 counters to each of the big 3. The games are simpler than Innistraad/Rav Standard, and far simpler still than the days of Delver standard, but there is definitely a variety of good decks to play. Entropic posted:I just wish Thragtusk had a cost like 2GGG so he didn't get to be splashed in every deck ever for a year. If Thragtusk had swapped mana costs with Vorapede, that standard would have been cooler. Yeah, I will agree with you there, make Jund work for its 5/3 card advantage dude. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Mar 6, 2014 |
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Madmarker posted:As much as I hate Thragtusk, and I do hate that card, there was still the aristocrats and big red in that standard. I think there were more entertaining decks to play in that standard compared to now. This is what I was about to say. Things aren't BAD, but they're very boring to me. There are a variety of decks, but they're all very linear and easy to play. I dislike this because I think variance decides a lot of matches more than clever play does. I will continue to mourn the loss of Aristocrats until a new combo deck appears in Standard, albeit with a less awesome name by default. But I think saying last Standard had more entertaining decks is the best way to describe this contrast by far.
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What doesn't help is this standard is in extreme contrast to previously where every deck was 2-3-4 colors. To be honest though there wasn't any way they could spin "mono-colored decks will be good!" to make me excited for it after that.
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Crazy rules question: if I morbid Tragic Slip my opponent's Wild Beastmaster while its attack trigger is on the stack, can I give all his other creatures -12/-12 until end of turn?
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I just finished pulling the massive pile of cards I'm lending people, 4-5 decks worth of my cards will be in hands that aren't my own for GP Richmond. Please dear God, don't let any of my dumb friends get robbed.
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qbert posted:Crazy rules question: if I morbid Tragic Slip my opponent's Wild Beastmaster while its attack trigger is on the stack, can I give all his other creatures -12/-12 until end of turn? Yes, this actually totally works and is hilarious.
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Fox of Stone posted:and temples will no doubt be $10-15 staples much like fast lands or the first year of check lands Is this what most people are feeling? I keep thinking they will hit maybe $7-$8 and hold there (see: Temple of Enlightenment).
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LordSaturn posted:Yes, this actually totally works and is hilarious. Yup. It's absolutely the greatest. Works with Bile Blight in current standard, but that's not nearly as dramatic.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Is this what most people are feeling? I keep thinking they will hit maybe $7-$8 and hold there (see: Temple of Enlightenment). When Theros is no longer being opened after fall set comes out the Temples will shoot up in price for the remainder of their time in Standard. This almost always happens without fail. People are going to show up in this thread complaining about the price of dual lands after this happens and are going to be told they already should have bought them. The opportunity cost is pretty low, so even if this doesn't play out again you won't be out a ton of money if you pick up all of the Temples asap. Or at least the ones in the colors you like.
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Stinky Pit posted:I just finished pulling the massive pile of cards I'm lending people, 4-5 decks worth of my cards will be in hands that aren't my own for GP Richmond. You need to have the "what happens if you lose these cards" conversation before, not after, they borrow them. rabidsquid posted:When Theros is no longer being opened after fall set comes out the Temples will shoot up in price for the remainder of their time in Standard. This almost always happens without fail. People are going to show up in this thread complaining about the price of dual lands after this happens and are going to be told they already should have bought them. Yeah, I learned my lesson with Scars duals when I first started playing again and Seachrome Coast went up to some ridiculous price by the time I realized I wanted them. Just get your sets of Standard duals when they first come out for $5 apiece and any extras you open for the remainder of their time in standard will be solid trade fodder. Entropic fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 6, 2014 |
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LordSaturn posted:Yes, this actually totally works and is hilarious. Hmm, I wonder if there are any instant speed Agoraphobia effects in Standard right now. I want to troll my opponent using Xenagod on his Mutavault.
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