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Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

PeterWeller posted:

E: Stone ground mustard is the best mustard.

It really is.

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Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

Zero_Grade posted:


It really is.

Inglehoffer's Wasabi Horseradish mustard is amazing.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Mustardpostin'

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

FuzzySkinner posted:

I feel he and Howard Stern followed similar career paths. They happen to have a good amount of charisma and the ability to push people's buttons. People keep listening because they want to hear what the guy says next. There's people (whom post in this very thread mind you) that will put him on and listen to him even though they completely disagree with him/find him to be an rear end.

I don't know how any normal-thinking person could listen to Limbaugh on a frequent basis. For me it would be like listening to some horrible, cheesy song over and over and over. He becomes predictable very fast, you don't learn anything new. He and his listeners are terrible people with ugly, ignorant opinions. They're a personification of everything that's wrong with the current political culture. What's the point? Isn't it fairly easy to predict what Limbaugh's gonna say about any new development?

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

beatlegs posted:

I don't know how any normal-thinking person could listen to Limbaugh on a frequent basis. For me it would be like listening to some horrible, cheesy song over and over and over. He becomes predictable very fast, you don't learn anything new. He and his listeners are terrible people with ugly, ignorant opinions. They're a personification of everything that's wrong with the current political culture. What's the point? Isn't it fairly easy to predict what Limbaugh's gonna say about any new development?
Knowing a few listeners who listen purely for entertainment, this is about the others:

I've always felt similarly about Levin, Savage, Beck etc. Surely many listen just to get a cheap "I'm right" emotional pick-me-up with predigested talking points, but healthy people don't need that much bile. They're looking for something outside themselves, it's like the audience is searching for a surrogate abusive dad.

sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 6, 2014

Eulogistics
Aug 30, 2012
I have co-workers who hang on Limbaugh's every word because he is always right and correct and "says what the liberal media won't" and he is the voice of the hundreds of millions of oppressed conservatives who can't voice their opinions in popular culture because of the Gay Agenda/Jews running Hollywood/Media Fellating the Administration. They're just looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear; they want their worldview validated and they want to be told they're the True Patriots and they are the precarious balancers from keeping the entire world from falling into absolute madness.

Think about it this way: if the world really were a place where there was absolute good and evil and right and wrong and you were 100% sure you were right, wouldn't you be mad if people were unable to make the distinction?

Eulogistics fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Mar 6, 2014

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Eulogistics posted:

I have co-workers who hang on Limbaugh's every word because he is always right and correct and "says what the liberal media won't" and he is the voice of the hundreds of millions of oppressed conservatives who can't voice their opinions in popular culture because of the Gay Agenda/Jews running Hollywood/Media Fellating the Administration. They're just looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear; they want their worldview validated and they want to be told they're the True Patriots and they are the precarious balancers from keeping the entire world from falling into absolute madness.

Al Franken had a good way of putting it once, in regards to what they peddle:

quote:

What Coulter writes is political pornography. She aims directly at her readers’ basest instincts. Pornography may serve as a welcome release for Republican businessmen on the road, and as a profit center for Marriott, Hyatt, Sheraton, Radisson, and other big GOP donors, but it doesn’t pretend to be something it’s not. That’s why the titles don’t appear on your bill.

I'm beginning to notice a decline though, in that once rich target demo. I used to recall quite a few professionals (like my father, god bless him) being into hearing what Limbaugh had to say. Judging by the amount of ads selling Gold, and other things that only seem to make sense for the easily manipulated and paranoid, it's really shifted away from that.

Millenials are sure as poo poo not biting. Where as the Boomers seemed to eat him up.

Sancho
Jul 18, 2003

Millenials are not biting on a lot of things

esto es malo
Aug 3, 2006

Don't want to end up a cartoon

In a cartoon graveyard

This is sort of related to the right wing media, but I'm looking for genuine feedback. Dear friends of mine, who are very much intelligent people to the degree that they can become qualified engineers/scientists/etc, are so cemented in these insane views pushed by Limbaugh et al. I've pointed to information or reports on the closest thing to objectivity on issues like ACORN, voter fraud, you name it, but all I get is "liberal conspiracy! this right wing website says THIS!" and they exhibit absolutely not desire to accept reality. Is there anything that can be said at this point to help them realize how loving insane they can be? I've tried being civil to avoid the instant defensive positions, but they've been so conditioned to reject anything opposing their worldview. It's frustrating beyond belief because they are increasingly vocal even as evidence shows how wrong they are.

EDIT: this is approaching E/N status, but I get the same feelings from trying to help my brother with substance abuse problems so I can't exactly just resign myself to ignoring them, I feel compelled to help if possible. Is it just not possible though?

esto es malo fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 6, 2014

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Sancho posted:

Millenials are not biting on a lot of things

When millennials get their own talk show hosts there won't be any need for the careful plausible deniability style racism of Rush. By 2016 everything's going to be out in the open and there'll be high demand for podcasts that are just a neckbeard hollering "friend of the family" at the top of his lungs.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

joeburz posted:

This is sort of related to the right wing media, but I'm looking for genuine feedback. Dear friends of mine, who are very much intelligent people to the degree that they can become qualified engineers/scientists/etc, are so cemented in these insane views pushed by Limbaugh et al. I've pointed to information or reports on the closest thing to objectivity on issues like ACORN, voter fraud, you name it, but all I get is "liberal conspiracy! this right wing website says THIS!" and they exhibit absolutely not desire to accept reality. Is there anything that can be said at this point to help them realize how loving insane they can be? I've tried being civil to avoid the instant defensive positions, but they've been so conditioned to reject anything opposing their worldview. It's frustrating beyond belief because they are increasingly vocal even as evidence shows how wrong they are.

EDIT: this is approaching E/N status, but I get the same feelings from trying to help my brother with substance abuse problems so I can't exactly just resign myself to ignoring them, I feel compelled to help if possible. Is it just not possible though?

Intelligence does not override an emotional desire to believe the world is fair and all of your advantages in life are solely due to your own hard work. Acknowledging they are wrong would be acknowledging that their accomplishments had more to do with factors outside of their control.

You cannot save them because they do not want to be saved.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

I'm hearing a few younger radio hosts here in the local market espousing economic conservatism with more tolerance/ambivalence toward social issues. I think old Rush-style conservatives will eventually be replaced by millennial liberatians. Not sure that's a great thing.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

joeburz posted:

...
It's frustrating beyond belief because they are increasingly vocal even as evidence shows how wrong they are.

EDIT: this is approaching E/N status, but I get the same feelings from trying to help my brother with substance abuse problems so I can't exactly just resign myself to ignoring them, I feel compelled to help if possible. Is it just not possible though?

Just slow and steady, it sucks and you have to be able to make the negatives personal while still being able to articulate societal aspects. When they cramp up and get belligerent, it's because they've run out of reason in their arguments. I understand the substance-abuse comparison, having had to pick up friends+family puking on the roadside etc. It's comparable to Dittohead faithfuls in the sense of worrisome useless self-destructive wallowing. You can't just fix them, but you can stay consistent and be there when they're ready to come out of it.

Few years back, I had civil though unstable talks with a dude about healthcare reform over a year, he'd insist on super-republican party line stuff and would occasionally yell when shown particularly nasty and hypocritical aspects of the party. He eventually got cancer, had to deal with unemployment, hospitalization, colostomy bags, all sorts of horrible stuff. He almost went bankrupt, and had his face rubbed hard into the flaws of the American approach to healthcare. No amount of small-businessman resolve and religious conviction can overcome physical frailty.

He supports single-payer UHC now :shobon:

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

beatlegs posted:

I'm hearing a few younger radio hosts here in the local market espousing economic conservatism with more tolerance/ambivalence toward social issues. I think old Rush-style conservatives will eventually be replaced by millennial liberatians. Not sure that's a great thing.

I think this is a growing demo, but it's by no means comprehensive. There will have to be proactive and conscious action to purge the social issues out of the GOP, and a small subset without much influence saying maybe that's a good idea is not it.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.
Limbaugh had a pretty epic rant about how the left perceives a loving Cadillac commercial. He basically sucks the cock of capitalism for 16 minutes straight while vomiting every liberal strawman ever conceived. Those damned latte sipping liberals! :bahgawd:

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Intel&Sebastian posted:

I think this is a growing demo, but it's by no means comprehensive. There will have to be proactive and conscious action to purge the social issues out of the GOP, and a small subset without much influence saying maybe that's a good idea is not it.

It may in fact, be growing, but I think the message isn't going to reach very many people at the moment.

If the economy were to pick up? Different story. I happen to think people were willing to buy what the right was selling during that time period.

If a large group of Millenials ever go "gently caress you, got mine" remains to be seen because we've really yet to see them during a time of prosperity.

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

joeburz posted:

This is sort of related to the right wing media, but I'm looking for genuine feedback.

Hard to compete with the bubble. If they're plugged into hard right wing media on a daily basis, you're just not going to have enough face time to cover everything. Gotta persuade them to broaden their source of information, first.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

PeterWeller posted:

I always get a kick out of the Dijon mustard thing because Dijon is less processed and has more of a kick than yellow mustard. It is the manlier mustard by any metric other than name, and you can just call it brown mustard if the name bothers your sensitive all-American conservative ears.
I distinctly remember in the clip that Hannity showed before he mocked Obama's "fancy mustard" was that's exactly how Obama asked for it from the vendor - "Yeah mustard, you got any with a little kick to it, like Dijon?"

Edit: Nope, remembered wrong- Obama just wanted something "spicy".

Here's the actual piece. Hannity isn't having a "meltdown" about it, but it's pretty clear he's serious about it being an actual mocking point against Obama's disconnect with Average Joe.

Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Mar 6, 2014

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

beatlegs posted:

I'm hearing a few younger radio hosts here in the local market espousing economic conservatism with more tolerance/ambivalence toward social issues. I think old Rush-style conservatives will eventually be replaced by millennial liberatians. Not sure that's a great thing.

It's not. On their face, most libertarian ideas sound sensible and reasonable. You have to be willing to learn about economics beyond a rudimentary understanding to realize why their ideas are terrible. The real problems in this country are class based and nearly all social issues stem from them. Social issues make it easier to see monsters. Once they are no longer politically relevant then the FYGM crowd will have substantially fewer obstacles to swaying uninformed voters. Gay marriage specifically has defected a lot of young conservatives I personally know to vote against Republicans. In a generation when that's no longer an issue, what's going to keep them from voting against their interests?

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

beatlegs posted:

I don't know how any normal-thinking person could listen to Limbaugh on a frequent basis. For me it would be like listening to some horrible, cheesy song over and over and over. He becomes predictable very fast, you don't learn anything new. He and his listeners are terrible people with ugly, ignorant opinions. They're a personification of everything that's wrong with the current political culture. What's the point? Isn't it fairly easy to predict what Limbaugh's gonna say about any new development?

You don't throw out your safety blanket when it gets too ratty, do you?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I was just thinking yesterday that I need to find better mustard, and here comes the Dittohead thread to the rescue. Food derails are the best derails.

Anyway, it's all about "dijon" sounding French. No one would give a poo poo about arugula in America if it went by its Anglicized name of "rocket".

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

I distinctly remember in the clip that Hannity showed before he mocked Obama's "fancy mustard" was that's exactly how Obama asked for it from the vendor - "Yeah mustard, you got any with a little kick to it, like Dijon?"

Edit: Nope, remembered wrong- Obama just wanted something "spicy".

Here's the actual piece. Hannity isn't having a "meltdown" about it, but it's pretty clear he's serious about it being an actual mocking point against Obama's disconnect with Average Joe.

My favorite thing about that clip is that it made me like Obama more. I thought, here is a guy who knows what's up when it comes to mustard.

Also, Maille is the best stone ground.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
The other issue with libertarianism is that it's intrinsically linked to White people and especially White Men in a country that is rapidly shifting away from that viewpoint.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

SedanChair posted:

Yeah that's very insulting to Liberace's aesthetic sense. Rush's taste is pretty much Gaddafi + my great-grandmother + more money than God.

I miss Qaddafi''s (may his spellings be many) fashion sense already. UN meetings were better when they were business suit, business suit, QADDAFI, business suit, business suit, business suit.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

joeburz posted:

This is sort of related to the right wing media, but I'm looking for genuine feedback. Dear friends of mine, who are very much intelligent people to the degree that they can become qualified engineers/scientists/etc, are so cemented in these insane views pushed by Limbaugh et al. I've pointed to information or reports on the closest thing to objectivity on issues like ACORN, voter fraud, you name it, but all I get is "liberal conspiracy! this right wing website says THIS!" and they exhibit absolutely not desire to accept reality. Is there anything that can be said at this point to help them realize how loving insane they can be? I've tried being civil to avoid the instant defensive positions, but they've been so conditioned to reject anything opposing their worldview. It's frustrating beyond belief because they are increasingly vocal even as evidence shows how wrong they are.

EDIT: this is approaching E/N status, but I get the same feelings from trying to help my brother with substance abuse problems so I can't exactly just resign myself to ignoring them, I feel compelled to help if possible. Is it just not possible though?

Have they ever failed or fallen on hard times, and by that I mean actually failed to the point where they no longer have the support of their families to the point where they have to strictly rely on (not just use, but literally rely on) even one of the government programs that they detest? Because if that answer is no then it's literally impossible to convert them outside of something else like blatant racism or homophobia happening to them (and they're more than likely white/strait) so yeah, good luck with that.

I say this because right now they have only the basic understandings of government and economic topics even if they have educations beyond high school, and no matter what I guarantee that mommy & daddy were always there for them in one way or another when they hosed up over the years and since they had well to do parents that took care of them they literally can't grasp things like crushing poverty or institutionalized racism.

Hell, I'm a former republican that converted to socialist and can't even picture those things beyond vague notions, and only because I've forced myself to actually contemplate them beyond just thinking "why don't those lazy blacks/mexicans/poor just get jobs".

esto es malo
Aug 3, 2006

Don't want to end up a cartoon

In a cartoon graveyard

Pretty much all of them are white, affluent males that attended the same costly engineering college as me for undergraduate education. The one that's been frustrating me to the point of making the post today works for a defense contract company, so happens to be very critical of deficit spending until you mention cuts to military spending. Somehow government cant create jobs, but cutting military spending is a catastrophic error because of the hard working americans in his field will be adversely affected. Even when i point out to him that the US spends more than the next 12 or 13 countries in the world combined. Cognitive dissonance isn't even a thing to this category of friends.

edit: even the ones less affluent, which are similarly 2nd/3rd generation immigrant families like mine, are so aggressively anti-immigration that I just want to slam my head in a car door ala Snatch.

esto es malo fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Mar 7, 2014

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

beatlegs posted:

I don't know how any normal-thinking person could listen to Limbaugh on a frequent basis.

I've got mostly liberal or moderate friends. It comes from the profession I'm in, although one of my best friends is far enough to the right of center that we tend to avoid politics mostly. Plenty other things to talk about, anyway.

But the guys in my band are another story. They're all good guys, in the sense that they're decent folks, family guys, nice people. They're all right of me (not hard at all). But it's the bass player who mystifies me. The guy is far right.

How far? Well, we practice until fairly late at night, and when I'm driving home, I turn on (sometimes) Levin just to hear what the guy's latest bit of insanity is. As it turns out, the bassist also listens to Levin on the way home, but he does so because he agrees with him.

He's a full-on Rush listener, too. Don't know about Hannity or Savage (the latter might be a little too unhinged for him).

I don't know how that works. He's a good guy, I like him, and he knows where I stand enough (and has enough respect for me) that he keeps the political bullshit to a minimum. I have a real difficulty reconciling that with his political views. They almost seem flat-out contradictory.

You guys know people like that? My experience with the far right is pretty limited.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Walter posted:

I don't know how that works. He's a good guy, I like him, and he knows where I stand enough (and has enough respect for me) that he keeps the political bullshit to a minimum. I have a real difficulty reconciling that with his political views. They almost seem flat-out contradictory.

You guys know people like that? My experience with the far right is pretty limited.

Of course I don't know your friend, but based on similar people I've met...you're in the "in" group. You may disagree on fundamental issues, but you're part of the "team," and there's a certain mindset in which that is very important.

edit: Late to mustardchat but gently caress it:

Sharkie fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 7, 2014

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

joeburz posted:

Pretty much all of them are white, affluent males that attended the same costly engineering college as me for undergraduate education. The one that's been frustrating me to the point of making the post today works for a defense contract company, so happens to be very critical of deficit spending until you mention cuts to military spending. Somehow government cant create jobs, but cutting military spending is a catastrophic error because of the hard working americans in his field will be adversely affected. Even when i point out to him that the US spends more than the next 12 or 13 countries in the world combined. Cognitive dissonance isn't even a thing to this category of friends.

edit: even the ones less affluent, which are similarly 2nd/3rd generation immigrant families like mine, are so aggressively anti-immigration that I just want to slam my head in a car door ala Snatch.

At this point, just go scorched earth and mock him for being a literal welfare queen, only worse since defense welfare costs tax payers 4 times as much as "normal" welfare and at least they're not in the business of actively killing innocent people.

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches
You make an excellent point, but I don't agree that there's no hope if it hasn't happened to them or someone close. The most radicalizing thing that ever happened to me was regularly interacting with folks from drastically different circumstances. It's why I encourage everyone to do some charity work.

If they're so dead set they aren't even willing to interact with a disadvantaged group, yeah, forget it. But plenty of good folks wind up falling into a dumb opinion just out of ignorance, and exposure's all it takes to change their minds.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Walter posted:

I've got mostly liberal or moderate friends. It comes from the profession I'm in, although one of my best friends is far enough to the right of center that we tend to avoid politics mostly. Plenty other things to talk about, anyway.

But the guys in my band are another story. They're all good guys, in the sense that they're decent folks, family guys, nice people. They're all right of me (not hard at all). But it's the bass player who mystifies me. The guy is far right.

How far? Well, we practice until fairly late at night, and when I'm driving home, I turn on (sometimes) Levin just to hear what the guy's latest bit of insanity is. As it turns out, the bassist also listens to Levin on the way home, but he does so because he agrees with him.

He's a full-on Rush listener, too. Don't know about Hannity or Savage (the latter might be a little too unhinged for him).

I don't know how that works. He's a good guy, I like him, and he knows where I stand enough (and has enough respect for me) that he keeps the political bullshit to a minimum. I have a real difficulty reconciling that with his political views. They almost seem flat-out contradictory.

You guys know people like that? My experience with the far right is pretty limited.

I have an old friend I've known for years. He's a real decent, well-meaning guy personally but his political views are hard right and abhorrent. I think people like him start out with the basic ideology of self-reliance, hard work, etc but then get caught up in the right wing media loop where they get lazy and only get their news and information from those sources. At that point they begin to live in an alternate, self-feeding reality and it's almost like dealing with someone who belongs to a cult. He completely mistrusts any news source that isn't given the far-right stamp of approval, so it's impossible to reason with him or convince him with facts/evidence. Personally I don't understand how any intelligent person can allow themselves to reach the point where they hand over control of their thought process to media propaganda pushers, but it happens all the time, obviously.

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Sharkie posted:

Of course I don't know your friend, but based on similar people I've met...you're in the "in" group. You may disagree on fundamental issues, but you're part of the "team," and there's a certain mindset in which that is very important.

edit: Late to mustardchat but gently caress it:


I think you may be overthinking it, and the bass player is just decent enough as a person to not act like a shithead, especially towards his friends.

But on the other hand, Maille is hands down the world's most delicious mustard, and you are now my favorite D&D.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Walter posted:

I've got mostly liberal or moderate friends. It comes from the profession I'm in, although one of my best friends is far enough to the right of center that we tend to avoid politics mostly. Plenty other things to talk about, anyway.

But the guys in my band are another story. They're all good guys, in the sense that they're decent folks, family guys, nice people. They're all right of me (not hard at all). But it's the bass player who mystifies me. The guy is far right.

How far? Well, we practice until fairly late at night, and when I'm driving home, I turn on (sometimes) Levin just to hear what the guy's latest bit of insanity is. As it turns out, the bassist also listens to Levin on the way home, but he does so because he agrees with him.

He's a full-on Rush listener, too. Don't know about Hannity or Savage (the latter might be a little too unhinged for him).

I don't know how that works. He's a good guy, I like him, and he knows where I stand enough (and has enough respect for me) that he keeps the political bullshit to a minimum. I have a real difficulty reconciling that with his political views. They almost seem flat-out contradictory.

You guys know people like that? My experience with the far right is pretty limited.

My mom's side of the family (that I know of, since her extended family is gigantic) that actually cares about politics is very right-wing in the super-religious sense, or the FYGM sense, or both. One of my great-uncles is an honest-to-god birther and literally thinks Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who came to make America socialist, and my parents don't allow me to argue with him because "I have to learn to respect other people's beliefs." Another uncle I have in San Marino (home of the Bircher Society in SoCal) also thinks Obama will turn the country communist and bitches about welfare and "lazy people" all the time. A lot of the older generation of her family (as in, in their 70s-80s) are also really racist against black people. Though when I think about it, a lot of the older Chinese-Americans I know in my neighborhood are registered Republican (from memory working the polls my senior year in high school). Probably has to do with growing up during the Cold War and internalizing the propaganda.

I personally don't argue with them, since to some extent I'm scared of the real life repercussions of being someone with a strong opinion.

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

beatlegs posted:

almost like dealing with someone who belongs to a cult.

It's this. But they actually are part of a cult in my opinion.

I grew up in Texas surrounded by right wing people. I even went to a very conservative Christian private school for two years and it's still hard for me to understand the whole mindset. Right wing media likes to preach about individualism, freedom, anti-collectivism and so on, yet they often have very conformist and cult-like behavior, and they like authoritarian strong-men to tie their groups together, like at a church. Left wing groups are usually more diverse.

One of the only reasons I can think of as to how someone can eat up Limbaugh or Levin's poo poo so much is if they grew up with the mindset and were saturated with it constantly. That private school taught really young kids and had no problem with putting their lovely politics in the classroom in between their religious sermons. They even had mock, scripted political "debates" during the 2000 elections, with kids playing as the candidates. I was the only one there who was willing to play Al Gore and I was basically supposed to lose the debate before it started. My parents were not really right wing or religious and they didn't actively teach me this stuff, but I also supported Gore back then because I liked his environmentalist stance (I liked animals a lot).

The kid who played Bush put on a cowboy hat and played up the whole dumb cowboy stereotype (with fake cheesy Texas accent and everything) and everyone ate it up. I was one of the more nerdy kids and they actually wanted me to play up the intellectual approach, yet I was the bad guy. After the debate the teachers had all the kids raise their hands to see who "won", and of course every single kid said Bush, and not even one of them said me. The weird thing is that those people were usually incredibly friendly and supportive (more than almost anyone I've met), but only if you are on their team. They didn't even care what the positions actually were.

I actually liked that school a bit more than the public schools in my area even though they were absolutely awful at teaching anything useful. The only smart teacher they had there was a history teacher. He was very intelligent and even spoke 7 languages, yet he would randomly go from teaching history to rambling about how Jesus is going to come back down to Earth on his white horse and purge everything one day. That school had some of the worst classes I had ever been in as far as actually teaching anything, yet they were all super nice all the time and it made me feel a bit better about myself to be in the cult (I was usually horribly depressed and wanted to shoot myself in the public schools here).

I've seen a lot of posters in this thread who seem baffled as to how anyone could believe that poo poo, and I think it's just because you would have to grow up with it. You would have to be surrounded by these types of people since childhood, as it's extremely difficult to argue someone out of a political position once they reach a certain age. They like belonging to the group and they like feeling superior to those who are not in the group, just like anyone else.

There was a George Lakoff lecture video I've seen posted on these forums before, who argues that left vs right, at least in America, has so much to do with competing models of parenting. A strict, authoritarian father model (this fits with their religion as well) vs a more nurturing parent model. It seemed to make sense to me from growing up around here. There are always exceptions but this seems true to me for most people most of the time. Political belief, like religion, seems to stem from geography more than anything else. If you happened to be born in Saudi Arabia, you would most likely end up as a Muslim adult. If you were born in Alabama (and are not black), you would most likely be a conservative Christian or at least lean conservative as long as you live there and are surrounded by these kinds of people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9R9MtkpqM

Jesus that was a lot of :words:

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
Let's talk about where Big Government spending goes in Paul Ryan's state of Wisconsin:

http://mustardmuseum.com/

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

A Winner is Jew posted:

At this point, just go scorched earth and mock him for being a literal welfare queen, only worse since defense welfare costs tax payers 4 times as much as "normal" welfare and at least they're not in the business of actively killing innocent people.

I wouldn't even mock him, just point out over-and-over that his industry, job, and livelihood all depend on the government spending money. He'll come back with something like, "Well, we do useful stuff!" Then ask why he's so sure that everything else the government spends money on is useless.

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Another uncle I have in San Marino (home of the Bircher Society in SoCal)
I grew up in the SGV, and that place is the absolute goddamn worst. I've also lived in darkest Texas and I'd take Medina County over San Marino any day of the week. San Marino Republicans (which is to say everyone in San Marino) are so actively evil it's a miracle they don't make the Bibles burst into flames just by walking into the noncommittal milquetoast churches they all attend.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
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Mr Interweb posted:

I was listening to Mike Malloy a couple of years back and he was talking about how Limbaugh wasn't always a shitback right-wing blowhard. That he was in fact pretty liberal until he realized that the ditto head demographic was a very lucrative, untapped market. I don't know how true that is, but I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

From what I've heard from my friends in radio around the country, this is true of almost every single right-wing nut on AM. Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Beck, Coulter, and all the other big names are putting on a show. Guy I know from Pacifica is friends with Hannity and said he has close friends that are gay and doesn't talk politics at all outside of radio and speaking engagements.

Trouble is, how long do you go acting out that character five days a week before you become him/her? Pretty sure Levin is crazy enough to believe what he's saying, but I find it hard to believe that the rest of them actually do.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I miss Qaddafi''s (may his spellings be many) fashion sense already. UN meetings were better when they were business suit, business suit, QADDAFI, business suit, business suit, business suit.

They should let Sacha Baron Cohen sit in for him at the UN.

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SedanChair posted:

podcasts that are just a neckbeard hollering "friend of the family" at the top of his lungs.

Sounds like someone's been listening to the Adam Carolla podcast.

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