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Main Paineframe posted:I can see how he comes off as unsympathetic, what with the way he tries to tell the cops all about ~his startup~ in order to "connect" with them, and upon discovering that they can't afford to live in the very bowels of Silicon Valley, essentially concludes that his treatment must be the result of poor cops committing class warfare against rich communities. He's clearly an upper-middle-class white person who was so incredibly unaware of his white privilege that he doesn't realize this is how the cops treat everyone that isn't a rich white person, and he comes off as completely insufferable because of it. I agree that the cops shouldn't be able to mistreat people merely because they're being obnoxious or annoying, but the writer is completely unlikeable and that makes it very difficult to really connect with his story. But it will be much easier for people like him to connect to, so that's good I guess. Get the rich on the 'gently caress the po-lice' side.
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MechPlasma posted:https://medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10/ This guy is such a doofus this reads like a Mr. Bean sketch. When encountering police treat them like a school yard bully 4 grades older than you. You can't win. Just keep your head down and let them get bored; then go tell the teacher. Fighting back or trying to assert yourself is just going to get you an extra noogie.
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Crossposting from the SCOTUS thread: The Court has granted cert in Holt v. Hobbs, a case challenging the no-beard policy of the Arkansas Department of Corrections violates either the First Amendment or the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) and whether a 1/2-inch beard would satisfy the security goals of the policy. If the cert petition looks a bit strange, it's because Holt is representing himself and handwrote the whole thing.
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Xandu posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/private-prison-racket-103893.html#ixzz2uIOwxIMR I found it interesting towards the end when the article made the point that private operators need to diversify their business. I work for a UK private operator, and various custodial services are out to tender at the moment. The article mentioned electronic tagging, which has recently become a national scandal when it was uncovered that G4S and Serco were charging the Government for putting tags on dead people... I'm not really defending the private sector very well Fortunately I don't work for G4S or Serco and I am quite proud to work for the company I work for (that's probably an exaggeration) but the point is I read a lot of articles, similar to the one you have just shown me and it comes across that private prisons in the US are generally seen as a terrible thing - whereas I think of the work we do in my company and on the whole I think we do some really good work! I guess there are some good eggs out there is the rather unimportant point I'm trying to make...
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MechPlasma posted:https://medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10/ It's probably been said before, but how much exposure would this story had gotten if he were...of another ethnic persuasion? Sure as poo poo whatever charges were tacked on wouldn't have been dropped, either. quote:He's clearly an upper-middle-class white person who was so incredibly unaware of his white privilege that he doesn't realize this is how the cops treat everyone that isn't a rich white person, and he comes off as completely insufferable because of it. I always believed that sooner or later, the abuses visited upon the usual suspects (minorities, the poor, etc.) by law enforcement will eventually reached the more privileged among us. Seeing the cops manhandle and jail some geeky white entrepreneur guy over nothing doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Sounds like if a person without any medical training wasn't trying to interfere at the scene of an accident after emergency personnel arrived he would've been just fine.
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angry armadillo posted:I guess there are some good eggs out there is the rather unimportant point I'm trying to make... The U.S. prison system is, as a whole, absolutely god awful. Our justice system is far beyond draconian and forgot what "justice" meant a long time ago. Non-violent criminals with minor drug charges have the potential to go away for decades. The prison population is exploding and private prisons are cropping up everywhere to ease the burden. The problem is that these are for-profit prisons owned by people who are only interested in income. The laws and enforcement are lax at best and, worse yet, the private prisons are notorious for being worse than our already horrifying public ones. Remember that in the U.S. it's legal and perfectly OK to use prison populations as literal slave labor. This is in a society that contains many people that will cheer and applaud if they hear that somebody in jail got raped or murdered or was the victim of police brutality. Our society treats prison rape and violence as jokes rather than serious issues that need dealt with.
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Arakan posted:Sounds like if a person without any medical training wasn't trying to interfere at the scene of an accident after emergency personnel arrived he would've been just fine. I would hope you agree that we don't need to arrest someone who appears to be assisting in good faith at the scene of an accident, no? Is it insufficient to ask them to step aside? It's a little bizarre to me that anyone would think the conversation that he stated he had with the police at all justified his treatment. I didn't at any point notice him being insulting or uncooperative, but maybe I missed something. Maybe this is STDH, but otherwise it's pretty awful.
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Eletriarnation posted:Is it insufficient to ask them to step aside? quote:She turned to me and abruptly said that I was not needed as a witness and should leave immediately. I told her we were headed home, just across the way, when my friend and I encountered the accident; and that I’d recently broken my elbow in a similar bike accident here and deeply cared about the outcome. Doesn't leave quote:Officer Kaur shouted at me to cross the street. It was very sudden and I was, admittedly, in shock. I stammered that I intended to head home, but that my friend was over there. I pointed at Ben against the wall, and said I’d like to take him home with me. Still doesn't leave Here he has clearly been told twice to leave the scene by the first responders, which he refuses to do. His justifications are not valid excuses to get in the way of people who have actually received training to treat accident victims. Certainly the treatment at the jail is something to get worked up about, but his arrest seems pretty justified since he refused to leave the area on his own. Also this part is ridiculous: quote:“Where am I?” she kept asking. She was lucky to have been wearing a helmet. quote:Ben was still supporting Rebecca’s back when Sgt. Espinoza and Officer Gabriel grabbed him from behind without warning, putting him in an arm lock and jerked him backwards over the pavement. They told him sternly that he had to leave now that trained medical professionals had arrived, implying that he was interfering and justifying their violent actions. She has an obvious head injury. Is Ben a trained medical professional who determined her head injury wasn't serious and that she also didn't have any serious neck injuries before propping her up by her back? If not then he absolutely was interfering and should be thankful he didn't injure her any further. You should not be moving accident victims with head injuries around unless you know what you're doing jesus loving christ. Arakan fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Arakan posted:Doesn't leave These are all good points, and one's opinion of one's own intoxication usually tends to be a little off from reality. You are also correct that the main focus of people's attention should be his treatment at the jail, because that's the shocking/bad part. Frankly, the facts of his arrest are irrelevant because he really shouldn't have been treated that way no matter what he'd been arrested for.
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Arakan posted:Sounds like if a person without any medical training wasn't trying to interfere at the scene of an accident after emergency personnel arrived he would've been just fine. The police have other tools at their disposal to deal with slightly obnoxious drunks. At every turn the officers involved took steps that increased the tension and increased the chance of some kind of incident occurring. This is a persistent and systematic problem with the culture within the Seattle PD that has been note by several outside groups, including the Justice Department, which has ordered reforms be carried out. In several notable case needlessly confrontational behavior by the Seattle PD has led to lethal shootings that most likely could have been avoided. The arrest and everything that followed served no purpose. It cost taxpayers money to process the drunk who was then released, it opened the city to a potential lawsuit and it increased the sense of distance and disconnect between law enforcement and the local community to the point that people are espousing a philosophy of avoiding any interaction with police whenever possible to minimize the potential of being hassled or abused. edit: That's not to say that I think the writers narrative wasn't recounted in a self serving way, but the police generally have options beyond 'allow drunks to interfere with medical treatment' and 'slap them in cuffs and send them to holding'. cafel fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Arakan posted:Doesn't leave Granted, the narrator was a dumbass and I missed the full extent of that. The cops were right to react quickly to tell him to get out of the way, and to be irritated when he didn't. I just don't think that the way they treated him after he was out of the way was productive or warranted at all. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Eletriarnation posted:Granted, the narrator was a dumbass and I missed the full extent of that. The cops were right to react quickly to tell him to get out of the way, and to be irritated when he didn't. I just don't think that the way they treated him after he was out of the way was productive or warranted at all. Absolutely. But I have a feeling that even if were in a Just World, with a perfectly benevolent and reasonable police force, that guy would still be writing that article with an entitled attitude and wondering why the rules still apply to him.
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cafel posted:The police have other tools at their disposal to deal with slightly obnoxious drunks. At every turn the officers involved took steps that increased the tension and increased the chance of some kind of incident occurring. This is a persistent and systematic problem with the culture within the Seattle PD that has been note by several outside groups, including the Justice Department, which has ordered reforms be carried out. In several notable case needlessly confrontational behavior by the Seattle PD has led to lethal shootings that most likely could have been avoided. Police are literally taught confrontation escalation as a problem solving skill, and to always be the biggest voice in the room and in control of the situation. If you challenge the police, you either need to be ready to throw your life away and try to kill them or you need to realize that you're going to be made to submit eventually.
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PT6A posted:These are all good points, and one's opinion of one's own intoxication usually tends to be a little off from reality. You are also correct that the main focus of people's attention should be his treatment at the jail, because that's the shocking/bad part. Frankly, the facts of his arrest are irrelevant because he really shouldn't have been treated that way no matter what he'd been arrested for. And none of it is a violation of California penal code, so he shouldn't have been arrested.
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nm posted:And none of it is a violation of California penal code, so he shouldn't have been arrested. 402(a). I'm sure there are others but penal code is long and boring.
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Arakan posted:402(a). I'm sure there are others but penal code is long and boring. No. Given that he is already there, he hasn't gone to or stopped at a scene. It also requires "impeding" which he didn't do. It also doesn't fall under PC148, just to cut you off there.
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You can read my previous posts if you want an explanation, no point in derailing further. 148 fits a bit better though you're right about that.
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It's pretty surreal seeing someone defend the actions of the police here as the correct and right thing to do, when I've seen the police in my country handle the aftermath of a loving bar brawl with a much softer touch... I think the police are a bit hosed up here too, but oh boy do you have it bad in the US or what?
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Who wants to read more crimes against humanity? You do! http://www.vice.com/read/elko-county-nevada-forces-inmates-to-pay-for-jailhouse-meals I miss HidingFromGoro. He hasn't posted on SA in over a year.
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Soulcleaver posted:Who wants to read more crimes against humanity? You do! quote:From Jim’s point of view, the functioning of the jail’s food service is not going to change. Financial considerations will not be made until an individual’s term finishes—the plan is basically a forced credit system except instead of being forced to pay a credit card in full, inmates are being forced to pay for lovely food.  My words fail me, these are simply bad people.
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gently caress, why don't we just grind up prisoners and sell the remains to dog food companies? It'll save money and they probably deserve it anyway.
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cafel posted:gently caress, why don't we just grind up prisoners and sell the remains to dog food companies? It'll save money and they probably deserve it anyway. They make much, much less money off them that way. Those small town jails demand insane kickbacks from vendors. These past few months, some have started demanding a 100% kickback, that is, they want the entirety of what we're charging the inmate minus anything we can call a fee and not part of the service we're providing. Ironically, the private prisons we've dealt with don't want kickbacks because their contract says that money goes to the state and they get a flat per bed fee no matter the amount of money the vendors bring in.
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Soulcleaver posted:Who wants to read more crimes against humanity? You do! Amateurs. Title 22, Oklahoma Statutes, Section 979a posted:A. The court shall require a person who is actually received into custody at a jail facility or who is confined in a city or county jail or holding facility, for any offense, to pay the jail facility or holding facility the costs of incarceration, both before and after conviction, upon conviction or receiving a deferred sentence. The costs of incarceration shall be collected by the clerk of the court as provided for collection of other costs and fines...
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One of my friends spent some time in a county jail and had to pay $78 dollars a day for the privilege of doing it. Which is really screwy because if he didn't pay that, he could have got sent back and charged more money. Repeat.
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I would assume, Just like red light camera cases that challenge the legality behind the cameras, that someone could easily get the fine dismissed by attacking the legality of the fine. Towns do not want undue attention to the policies like this and they REALLY do not want someone to challenge them. So if someone starts the Habeas corpus process OR has the money to attack the fine the town will dismiss the fine. State courts obviously know what a debtors prison is so the case would be fairly easy to prove just by showing the towns policy, and any bill the town said you owe.
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Well this certainly is interestingquote:Prison Legal News argued in its lawsuit: ""Incarceration is inherently a power of government. By using public money to perform a public function, CCA is a governmental body" for purposes of the Texas Public Information Act.
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This is super depressing. An inmate in Kentucky was starved to death. They were on medication for anxiety, and it was discontinued. They then became extremely unstable, asked to be restarted on their meds and the doctors refused, thinking he was faking. He then went on hunger strike, no on gave a poo poo and he starved to death. I can't even imagine how bad the conditions would have to be where starving to death is preferable to life. Apparently we're a few steps up from concentration camps here.
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This is all sorts of hosed up: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/transgender-16-year-old-solitary-cell-adult-prison
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May 24, 2014 18:52
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What ever happened to HidingFromGoro? His posts were the best.
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Hey, so, I spent a weekend in a Texas jail (owned by Hays County PD, the police department that, to my knowledge, receives the most complaints out of any Texas PD) and the circumstances of the arrest combined with the conditions in the jail ended up giving me PTSD. My story isn't nearly as hosed up as a lot of the stuff that gets posted here; would it still be welcomed if I were to write it up and post it?
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My state is opting out of the prison rape law. I hope the feds smash them. Several states are refusing to comply with a federal law designed to reduce sexual assaults in prison, with governors criticizing the decade-old law as counterproductive and too expensive to implement.
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It isn't surprising, really. This is a nation where it's perfectly socially acceptable to hope and wish that a person that goes to prison gets raped until their rear end no longer works properly.
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Pohl posted:My state is opting out of the prison rape law. Sorry to disappoint, but from that article: quote:
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Main Paineframe posted:Sorry to disappoint, but from that article: Hard hitting, decisive action, from the federal government.
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Pohl posted:My state is opting out of the prison rape law. How weird. I wonder how they come up with that huge implementation figure. Because from the enforcement side, it just seems to be an annual exhortation during training that was taking place anyway to recognize signs of sexual abuse and to treat it professionally and how to behave when it's brought to your attention, and I guess there's an 800 number that's posted in all the housing units that inmates can call to report it. But that, and the odd rape kit and psych visit can't possibly be that expensive. Cold and Ugly fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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To some degree, isn't this the unexpected and perverse dark side of states being given greater freedom in the realm of things like drug policy? Obviously, I abhor the War on Drugs, but, all the same, if we allow states or municipalities to simply not enforce certain laws we don't like, can we be particularly shocked when they choose not to enforce the laws we do like? This situation is disgusting from an ethical standpoint, without a doubt, but unfortunately it seems to be in line with the law, and to fix it would have some rather unpleasant consequences (as well as many good consequences).
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