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JawKnee posted:Blowing up the relays was pointless given that any game set in the universe after that will almost certainly conjure up some new Macguffin that does exactly the same thing. It functionally makes no difference. It all depends. New exploration can be done by opening up more unused connections to other Mass Relays. But at the same time, with the Relays blown up any replacement (drive) could be much slower at first, giving you an opportunity to explore the immediate vicinity of Earth, creating an interesting situation for the races stranded there and being an excuse why some older races are not showing up. And in later games you can reestablish contact with the Asari (who are furthest away from Earth of the races on the Council) or the Quarians, and see in what direction they developed. And if ME3 really were the endpoint, then blowing up the Relays may be just as good as rebuilding, but Bioware becoming scared of angry fans and choosing the boring/safe route with rebuilding over the heavily hinted destruction of the Relays was just sad.
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If Shepard lives and the relays remain intact we never have to revisit Mass Effect again. Shepard will reunite with *insert romance here* and vacation on the planet of their choosing with whatever race is not extinct. Things will go back to how they were, and we've already seen what they were so we're saved a trip. Fans plead for Garrus-as-CSec-officer: The Game. It's released on phones and sells badly. Dead Shepard and no relays is a Whole New Chapter(tm) in the narrative (unless everyone dies off, which is valid if a little bleak for my taste). New heroes, new worlds, new frontiers, new designs. Cameos from Speculation.
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sassassin posted:If Shepard lives and the relays remain intact we never have to revisit Mass Effect again. Shepard will reunite with *insert romance here* and vacation on the planet of their choosing with whatever race is not extinct. Things will go back to how they were, and we've already seen what they were so we're saved a trip. Fans plead for Garrus-as-CSec-officer: The Game. It's released on phones and sells badly. see, that's the thing. returning to the status quo is exactly the sort of thing you do if you want to continue the franchise. that's why i hate franchises- it's so difficult to have anything serious happen in them, because the vitality of the franchise depends on everything remaining static. it's death.
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Mar 10, 2014 01:30
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sassassin posted:If Shepard lives and the relays remain intact we never have to revisit Mass Effect again. Shepard will reunite with *insert romance here* and vacation on the planet of their choosing with whatever race is not extinct. Things will go back to how they were, and we've already seen what they were so we're saved a trip. Fans plead for Garrus-as-CSec-officer: The Game. It's released on phones and sells badly.
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Mar 10, 2014 01:32
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Fag Boy Jim posted:see, that's the thing. returning to the status quo is exactly the sort of thing you do if you want to continue the franchise. that's why i hate franchises- it's so difficult to have anything serious happen in them, because the vitality of the franchise depends on everything remaining static. it's death. I disagree. The relays blowing up is as big a sequel-hook in my eyes as the advancing reaper fleet.
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Mar 10, 2014 01:33
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but what about shepard and liara's baby i have to know
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Nihilarian posted:Wasn't ME4 supposed to take place hundreds of years into the future? I think that's just what people who want more of the same (but without that pesky plot-development stuff) want. The 'Old Republic' method. Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:but what about shepard and liara's baby i have to know It's 'cute' (or ugly if your shep was a monstrousity).
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Fag Boy Jim posted:see, that's the thing. returning to the status quo is exactly the sort of thing you do if you want to continue the franchise. that's why i hate franchises- it's so difficult to have anything serious happen in them, because the vitality of the franchise depends on everything remaining static. it's death. Iunno, you could kill the relays and still have sequels. Hell, maybe have that be a new element of the setting, all the races trying to reconnect their fractured civilization over years (decades?), and then gradually seeing how systems developed after suddenly being isolated. sassassin posted:The relays blowing up is as big a sequel-hook in my eyes as the advancing reaper fleet.
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Trapezium Dave posted:No, but it's a very gutsy move for a developer or publisher to deliberately close the book on an entire IP that they've spent so much work to build up. This is purely a case of the business side trumpeting the creative side. Creatively, once you've told the story you want to tell you need to close the book and move on. But the business side will want to milk the IP for all it's worth. Look at Capcom. Its series all have plots and they're all insane after the second or third game because Capcom won't let a story stay told. There's a happy medium in D&D, which has settings and franchises within those settings. The franchises can end while the settings endure. Baldur's Gate was a Forgotten Realms franchise and its story properly ended with Throne of Bhaal. The business side got a couple of extraneous titles to milk the name but then they wizened up and let it go. Now Baldur's Gate is done but nothing is stopping anyone from making more games set in the Forgotten Realms.
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The problem though is the mass effect relays are a large part of what defines the setting. They provide a convenient way to jet around the galaxy while still limiting the accessible clusters of stars to a manageable level, and there's always the possibility of not knowing what's at the other end to provide a sense of mystery and adventure. They even named the whole series "Mass Effect". Getting rid of the relays is fine if they plan on ending the series, but if they want sequels they're either going to introduce something functionally similar (wormholes or jumpgates or whatever) or it's not going to feel like Mass Effect. In the first case why bother trashing the relays, and in the second why not make it a whole new IP?
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I suppose we'll have to wait and see how closely tied ME4:<subtitle> is to ME3 then; having a whole alternate universe to explore shouldn't just be cast off if the result is just going to be building another somewhat similar alternate universe somewhere down the line.
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Mar 10, 2014 01:43
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Probably the best result, and possibly what Bioware was aiming for, is a bunch of spinoff EU stuff that "doesn't feel like Mass Effect" due to lack of relays n' stuff, so "the Mass Effect trilogy" is sort of surgically removed from the franchise and remains pure, or whatever. OK that sounds dumb, but one sense I did get from the original ending was Bioware railing against the whole spinoff expanded universe thing by blowing up the setting so thoroughly.
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Mar 10, 2014 01:57
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You could so some wonderfully fun Mass Effect EU in the vein of the Expanse series of novels (a motley crew of malcontents, sci-fi political intrigue, crime drama, high-octane action, etc.) but the fact that the Mass Effect novels were so terrible and so tightly intertwined in the Reaper metaplot kind of brought a swift end to any further attempts.
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Milky Moor posted:You could so some wonderfully fun Mass Effect EU in the vein of the Expanse series of novels (a motley crew of malcontents, sci-fi political intrigue, crime drama, high-octane action, etc.) but the fact that the Mass Effect novels were so terrible and so tightly intertwined in the Reaper metaplot kind of brought a swift end to any further attempts. This is probably a good thing imo
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:This is probably a good thing imo Remember when they made Tali a Middle Eastern woman and people got outraged? Hammasa Kohistani is pretty but everyone was like  STOCK PHOTO
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Mar 10, 2014 03:14
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Milky Moor posted:Remember when they made Tali a Middle Eastern woman and people got outraged?
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It is dumb, I think, for the mystery of what Quarians look like to be revealed at all. But somehow it is even dumber that the answer is "humans with lines on 'em" when all the other species had such diverse physiology. (Notwithstanding the Asari, and even they had that throwaway line about there being some kind of psychic illusion that explains their human facial features.)
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Bongo Bill posted:It is dumb, I think, for the mystery of what Quarians look like to be revealed at all. But somehow it is even dumber that the answer is "humans with lines on 'em" when all the other species had such diverse physiology. (Notwithstanding the Asari, and even they had that throwaway line about there being some kind of psychic illusion that explains their human facial features.) realtalk: the geth and quarians should have never reconciled, the quarians could then move to Sol and make the "we humans now" reveal and we get a cool quarian-human super hi-tech race in Mass Effect 4, set ~500 years later, who have either rebuilt the relays or created a new form of ftl-travel.
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Milky Moor posted:Remember when they made Tali a Middle Eastern woman and people got outraged? I was just annoyed by the  of it all.
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Nihilarian posted:She was Middle Eastern? Yeah, pretty much this. I got a good laugh out of it the first time around though.
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Mar 10, 2014 04:23
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They missed the chance to make the Quarians look completely alien and also kinda creepy, I think that would have made that entire "romance" path with Tali a lot more interesting.
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Mar 10, 2014 04:25
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before the reveal I was certain they were gonna make them look like the traditional greys, but I guess the salarians have that role filled already
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I feel like a lot of people were most disappointed that they didn't get to laugh at the impotent rage that they were expecting from the Tali-lovers if she wasn't revealed to be physically attractive.
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JawKnee posted:before the reveal I was certain they were gonna make them look like the traditional greys, but I guess the salarians have that role filled already Turns out the Quarians were the real Space Elves.
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Lycus posted:I feel like a lot of people were most disappointed that they didn't get to laugh at the impotent rage that they were expecting from the Tali-lovers if she wasn't revealed to be physically attractive.
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I didn't have that much of a problem with the picture. Honestly, I liked what Tali was behind the mask and I was glad Bioware went with the Space Elf look. But I would prefer the Quarians to still wear masks because I they are cooler with their masks on. Like the Helghast.
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The worst thing about the
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Police Automaton posted:The worst thing about the They have ears, just not earlobes.
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SgtSteel91 posted:They have ears, just not earlobes. Same to me, just burn them all.
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Police Automaton posted:They missed the chance to make the Quarians look completely alien and also kinda creepy, I think that would have made that entire "romance" path with Tali a lot more interesting. 
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Tali took her mask off? The only time I recall kinda seeing a Quarian's face was in one of the endings where you can kind of see a side profile of one of their faces?
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Jerusalem posted:Tali took her mask off? The only time I recall kinda seeing a Quarian's face was in one of the endings where you can kind of see a side profile of one of their faces? If you romanced her and made sure the Quarians didn't die in the Rannoch arc, then she leaves a photo of herself unmasked in Shepard's cabin.
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SgtSteel91 posted:If you romanced her and made sure the Quarians didn't die in the Rannoch arc, then she leaves a photo of herself unmasked in Shepard's cabin. Just looked up the image. 
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Elysiume posted:Obligatory: This also would have been acceptable. That fish tank panel reminds me of the time I finished lair of the shadow broker in ME2 and didn't know you were supposed to feed the fish. So while there was this serious conversation going on between Liara and Shepard, the fish were all drifting dead in the tank. I could not stop laughing.
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Mar 10, 2014 06:51
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One of my favourite parts of ME3 is they didn't forget about the fish tank. Jellyfish and Space Eels Hell Yeah.
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JawKnee posted:before the reveal I was certain they were gonna make them look like the traditional greys, but I guess the salarians have that role filled already Or plateless turians. Romances between the two species seem to be a big thing, sharing food could only be part of that! sassassin posted:It's 'cute' (or ugly if your shep was a monstrousity). Torrannor posted:And if ME3 really were the endpoint, then blowing up the Relays may be just as good as rebuilding, but Bioware becoming scared of angry fans and choosing the boring/safe route with rebuilding over the heavily hinted destruction of the Relays was just sad. Not that Renegade Shepard would give a poo poo, I guess.
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The quarians were always going to be similar to humans. Casey Hudson has said that Tali was originally going to be a romance option in ME1. Even disregarding that, quarians have always had visible eyes, visible cheekbones and a visible nose behind their visors.
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True, but up until ME3, I figured they would go a more asari route, where they have notable human facial features but still look sufficiently alien in general. I think that what they can up with looked more Star Trek-esque than I expected.
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Lycus posted:True, but up until ME3, I figured they would go a more asari route, where they have notable human facial features but still look sufficiently alien in general. I think that what they can up with looked more Star Trek-esque than I expected. But why? Like, I'm pretty sure even before ME3 there was some throwaway line about how the quarians had the most similar evolution to humans of all the species. And the elaborate shawls/hoods/whatever are reminiscent of a substitute for hair.
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The goofiest thing about quarian faces is when characters in-universe act like it's some sort of big mystery (not "what does X quarian look like", but "what do quarians look like"), as if they can't look up what quarians look like on the Space Internet.
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