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triplexpac posted:Yeah I don't even know how to begin to answer that. The real answer to me is that he's awesome wherever he goes, in different ways. He seems to be able to adapt to whatever the audience in front of him wants, whether it be long technical ROH matches or short, signature-move filled WWE matches. Yeah, it's incredible how well he's been able to change his work to adapt to the WWE style and still put on incredible matches. From a pure in ring perspective I kinda prefer a lot of his indie work, but it's really more impressive how far he's risen in the WWE considering the variety of factors working against him from the outset.
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triplexpac posted:Yeah I don't even know how to begin to answer that. The real answer to me is that he's awesome wherever he goes, in different ways. He seems to be able to adapt to whatever the audience in front of him wants, whether it be long technical ROH matches or short, signature-move filled WWE matches. After being handed tons of crap in WWE, he's been able to spin most of it into gold, and still get over. Team Hell No should've been stupid and awful, but it ended up being genuinely entertaining.
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Mar 11, 2014 16:58
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Daniel Bryan's basically been the best wrestler in the world for close to a decade now. He has the innate ability to connect to a crowd like no other, to make them believe, no matter if it's a 60 minute ROH style draw, a five minute loss to Batista in 2010, a throwaway gauntlet match on Raw, or a main event pay per view match. The only thing is maybe he does too many kicks in WWE, but I don't think that's his choice. The people like kicks. He's as good as he ever was, and looking to not slow down anytime soon.
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Mar 11, 2014 17:18
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I hope they show up on the Network so I can watch that bungee cord match between Chaz and Mike Davis again! I can't believe this was actually a thing. Holy balls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZiTbU5JTUk
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Mar 11, 2014 17:22
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TL posted:I can't believe this was actually a thing. Holy balls. Mike Davis obviously wasn't in that match, but before that match took place, he was testing out the bungee cord or something and when he came down, he claimed to have gone into space and brought back a moon rock that became his manager.
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Mar 11, 2014 17:41
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TL posted:I can't believe this was actually a thing. Holy balls. I can't believe Vince Russo hasn't somehow come up with a Triple Cage Bungee King of the Mountain match, in which you have to fight your way to the top of the third cage, where you will have to climb outside, bungee jump down to pick up the title lying on the outside, and once you're back on top hang the title up in the rafters.
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Germansimp posted:I can't believe Vince Russo hasn't somehow come up with a Triple Cage Bungee King of the Mountain match, in which you have to fight your way to the top of the third cage, where you will have to climb outside, bungee jump down to pick up the title lying on the outside, and once you're back on top hang the title up in the rafters. Don't give him any ideas.
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Mar 11, 2014 18:48
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Germansimp posted:I can't believe Vince Russo hasn't somehow come up with a Triple Cage Bungee King of the Mountain match, in which you have to fight your way to the top of the third cage, where you will have to climb outside, bungee jump down to pick up the title lying on the outside, and once you're back on top hang the title up in the rafters. Just need something on a pole and you'd be set!
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Mar 11, 2014 18:52
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Germansimp posted:I can't believe Vince Russo hasn't somehow come up with a Triple Cage Bungee King of the Mountain match, in which you have to fight your way to the top of the third cage, where you will have to climb outside, bungee jump down to pick up the title lying on the outside, and once you're back on top hang the title up in the rafters. The only way this would be better is if when if they bungee jumped, they were pulled down through a hole cut in the ring.
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Mar 11, 2014 18:55
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Anyone remember what fan made video it was that had Gnarls Barkley's "Just a Thought" as the music? I thought it was the Daniel Bryan story, but the only one I'm finding is Dragonborn with Skyrim music.
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Mar 11, 2014 19:16
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Is there any actual difference between the Diamond Cutter, the Stone Cold Stunner and the RKO or are they all pretty much the same move?
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Mar 11, 2014 20:00
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Castomira posted:Is there any actual difference between the Diamond Cutter, the Stone Cold Stunner and the RKO or are they all pretty much the same move? Get to youtube! They're clearly very different moves
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Mar 11, 2014 20:00
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The Stunner in particular is very different. The RKO and Diamond Cutter only really varies in the setup (or lack of it in the case of the Diamond Cutter.)
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Stunner drops the neck/jaw across the shoulder, completely different move. Cutter and RKO are meant to drive the face into the mat. I believe DDP would usually drop into the cutter while standing, whereas Randy almost always jumps into the RKO. Minidust fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Mar 11, 2014 20:07
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triplexpac posted:Get to youtube! They're clearly very different moves diamond cutter is a standing 3/4 headlock jawbreaker, driving the opponents head to the mat stunner is a seated or kneeling one with the impact on the opponents jaw recoiling off your shoulder rko is a leaping version of the diamond cutter
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Castomira posted:Is there any actual difference between the Diamond Cutter, the Stone Cold Stunner and the RKO or are they all pretty much the same move? Here's a comparison video of the Ace Cutter, Diamond Cutter, and RKO with crappy music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8DvqczvfGU Page sorta lifts a guy up, then does the cutter. Sometimes he does it without the lifting. Rather than lifting them, Orton jumps up into the air. And the stunner/ace cutter both have the guy doing them falling down without any real jumping up into the air, *or* lifting of the opponent. The Stunner also has the boot to the gut beforehand. Personally, I think Orton's looks the coolest when done right. It has this feeling of immediacy that really adds to the 'he can hit this thing out of loving nowhere and turn the match around in an instant' gimmick.
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Castomira posted:Is there any actual difference between the Diamond Cutter, the Stone Cold Stunner and the RKO or are they all pretty much the same move? There are a ton of variations on the move, some slight, and some drastic. - DDP's Diamond Cutter - Masato Tanaka's Diamond Dust - Disco Inferno's Chartbuster - Johnny Ace's Ace-Crusher - Steve Austin's Stone Cold Stunner - The Disciple's Apocalypse - Marvelous Marc Mero's TKO - Brock Lesnar's F-5 - Matt Hardy's Twist of Fate And on and on and on
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I laid off Raw for a few weeks. Has Bray Wyatt been doing the location-specific "We're here" for long or is it brand new?
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magnum_valentino posted:I laid off Raw for a few weeks. Has Bray Wyatt been doing the location-specific "We're here" for long or is it brand new? The last month, maybe a little longer.
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Perry Normal posted:Charlie Minn, probably. No idea about a video. Thanks for this. I too tried to find him by name instead of "Asian Guy".
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Mar 11, 2014 20:28
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Has DDP ever said anything about his relationship with the Undertaker? There angle is legendary at this point in terms of burial of a guy in respects to DDP. My question is, was this more WWE or Undertaker not liking DDP?
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Mar 11, 2014 20:36
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Red posted:There are a ton of variations on the move, some slight, and some drastic. I don't think the F5 is similar to a cutter at all.
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It's supposed to end in a standard DDT but Lesnar just whips the guy around and who cares if it sticks, it looks awesome.
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Red posted:There are a ton of variations on the move, some slight, and some drastic.
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There's also the Santino Stunner (which is Santino dropping straight down for a stunner but instead of a sitout he does a Russian split).
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Spikeguy posted:Has DDP ever said anything about his relationship with the Undertaker? There angle is legendary at this point in terms of burial of a guy in respects to DDP. My question is, was this more WWE or Undertaker not liking DDP? DDP did talk about it, I think on his interview with Austin? I wish I could remember the details, but DDP basically said he really regrets being so eager to sign with WWF.
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Endless Mike posted:You never see the Kanyon Cutter coming so much that you forgot to include it on this list.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:27
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The F-5 spins the opponent to the front so it's not a cutter. It's the opposite direction of a TKO, which is a cutter. Which I always found kinda funny since the guys that popularized both moves have been married to Sable.
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sticklefifer posted:The F-5 spins the opponent to the front so it's not a cutter. It's the opposite direction of a TKO, which is a cutter. Which I always found kinda funny since the guys that popularized both moves have been married to Sable. It's funny, when he used to do dark matches before RAW you'd see him in newsboard (remember those?) results where it'd say something like: Brock Lesnar d. Scott Vick w/ the TKO. Then I saw him do the move and thought "That is not a loving TKO".
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Mar 11, 2014 22:43
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Is it just me or did the Ace Crusher look unsafe? Some of those guys took some nasty bumps.
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Orgophlax posted:Anyone remember what fan made video it was that had Gnarls Barkley's "Just a Thought" as the music? I thought it was the Daniel Bryan story, but the only one I'm finding is Dragonborn with Skyrim music. It wasn't Daniel Bryan, it was a Brian Pillman video.
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triplexpac posted:DDP did talk about it, I think on his interview with Austin? It pisses me off that pretty much everything that contributed to the Invasion failing even lead to an awesome guy like DDP not wanting to sign. I mean he clearly did it because he loving loved wrestling, and a combination of WWF talent not wanting to put over WCW talent, and all the other endless poo poo that hosed the Invasion... I mean it shouldn't have happened to a guy as nice as he was.
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If DDP had waited another year or so, he and WWE both stood to make a lot more money.
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Taker said he didn't know how to work and that was a death sentence for many a wrestler coming to the WWE. A lot of styles basically stopped existing in the mainstream when WCW folded because the WWE style needed to be adhered to by everyone.
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So there's a combo of gifs I can't find (and I totally combed the gif thread). The first is Shane getting stunned by Austin right after he chugged a beer, and when he sells it, beer goes spewing everywhere. The next gif is an edit where it's just shane selling it as he flies out of the ocean, the beer spewing out like a whale's majestic blowhole. It's the most magical gif I've ever seen.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Taker said he didn't know how to work and that was a death sentence for many a wrestler coming to the WWE. This wouldn't shock me. General feeling in the Lockerroom at the time of the Invasion was "these fuckers tried to put us out of business don't even CONSIDER having them go over or paying them more than us" Because of course not one of them could sit down and think "... We could make a fuckload of money doing this" because wrestling is, was and forever will be an industry of people paying other people money so they can humiliate them. and there was such a style clash because WCW had been an entirely different style, so maybe Taker legit thought "Does he not know how to work?" I know for a fact that the death of the Invasion was the Buff Bagwell debacle and Vince, who had been struggling so hard to get WCW its own timeslot, or even give them Raw and he saw that and was just "NOPE!" Also not helping matters? WWE ring is bigger than the WCW ring, you wanna know why every wrestler goes through developmental? because they need to get used to the ring above anything else. Also, not sure how true this is. But apparently Vince McMahon got all the WCW guys to wear WCW shirts while in the locker room... Because it's Vince and does it need more explanation than that? I know it's harped on to death but the Invasion could have been the biggest money maker in pro-wrestling history. But it seemed like everyone involved and everything around the situation was determined to make it fail, from Networks to Vince to Talent.
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Setting up a make or break match for WCW and then putting Buff Bagwell in it is kind of like preemptively shooting your horse and then being dumbstruck it couldn't race.
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Onmi posted:and there was such a style clash because WCW had been an entirely different style, so maybe Taker legit thought "Does he not know how to work?" I believe the book on DDP is that he liked to lay out his match before hand pretty meticulously and some dumb wrestlers hated that and thought it meant DDP sucked because he "couldn't" call a match in the ring. Also DDP obviously always took joy in varying up his moves and trying different things so I could see that annoying a long time WWE main eventer like Taker who is used to a pretty static style and approach.
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DeathChicken posted:Setting up a make or break match for WCW and then putting Buff Bagwell in it is kind of like preemptively shooting your horse and then being dumbstruck it couldn't race. Buff had a body that Vince liked. He thought he was going to be a bigger star than Lance Storm who Booker was actually feuding with. I don't think Vince really watched much WCW.
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DeathChicken posted:Setting up a make or break match for WCW and then putting Buff Bagwell in it is kind of like preemptively shooting your horse and then being dumbstruck it couldn't race. There is no one better than Buff Buff posted:Let's start with his thoughts on John Cena:
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