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Deklein wasn't entirely free, either. Goonfleet got given it because goonfleet had a lot of goodwill with TCF due to prior work and friendship
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Otacon posted:figured out how to make EVE a lot better This has revolutionized my Eve experience.
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pugnax posted:See, I think I need to quasi-disagree on this. Is there a single other sizeable/space-important entity in Eve outside of GSF that has had particularly good leadership? I'm hard pressed to think of one. Maybe PL in it's own way, but that involves not having a hard leadership structure, so I don't think it counts. Montolio was great at doing what he did (namely building a wack-rear end, albeit large and strong, coalition) and keeping the line members occupied and entertained. Goonfleet did well even way back when the CEO was a complete shithead. Remedial was dumb as hell, but the rest of the pyramid was pretty good and ran the war machine. And as I understand it Sesfan (#1) was a FC CEO who ran fleets and was pretty hands-off for everything else. Mittens' byline on TMC about liking delegation isn't a joke, it's a pointed instruction. mikey posted:e: I'm not ignoring that GSF was given Deklein for free
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deadtear posted:Deklein wasn't entirely free, either. Goonfleet got given it because goonfleet had a lot of goodwill with TCF due to prior work and friendship TCF didn't just all up and quit the game. Their alliance leadership collapsed, but the intact corps and many of the players had sufficient confidence in their old friends to join us. I like to think this is a decision we've since justified.
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pugnax posted:I'm hard pressed to think of one. Maybe PL in it's own way, but that involves not having a hard leadership structure, so I don't think it counts. NCdot has had basically the same leadership for the majority of its existence, with Because of Falcon/Wicked Princess hilarity being the only notable change. White Aero is forever the canadian CEO of my heart.
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Definately don't mean to come across as thinking that GSF was born with a silver spoon in it's little mandibles, or that I think the Man At The Top is the most important part of leadership. GSF has totally put a truly mind-boggling amount of effort into it's operations and you'd need to be clinically retarded to not be impressed by it. I don't think that catering to brand new players should be the responsibility of every corp in Eve though. There are now a solid menu of options to choose from (Dreddit/GSF/Groon if you meet the cult requirements, BNI, Fweddit, RvB, EveUni, SS, Nexus, Enli-A, etc.) so having more corps out there with a medium/low experience requirement like Waffles makes a lot of sense to me, as it allows the training wing to focus on more intermediate skill development (FCing, doctrine design, manual piloting, logistics).
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You're goddamn right I'm proud of being able to see my dick. gently caress you Blawrf.
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Never let the (fox) Man keep you down Vyst.
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Klyith posted:*Free with purchase of 5 years of undying friendship. I always love seeing grrr goons people complaining that we didn't "earn" our current position, as if TCF was holding a lottery for who got Dek when they shut down. Innominate posted:TCF didn't just all up and quit the game. Their alliance leadership collapsed, but the intact corps and many of the players had sufficient confidence in their old friends to join us. I like to think this is a decision we've since justified. Yeah, what a novel concept: If you reward your leadership and allies with loyalty and respect, you'll generally get that in return. TEST is what happens when you treat them like poo poo. PL and NC. seem to understand this to some extent, and that's why they're still around. A giant supercap fleet is meaningless if your leadership is terrible, your FCs and logistics people have all burned out, and you've torched every diplomatic bridge in sight.
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 It's all coming apart. They can't even get along with cute newbies.
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Being in ENLI I guess this distracts me from what he means (I was never in TEST so I have little idea about what went on internally then) but whats "wrong" with ENLI? We had some really high participation for the hell camp and Iv not really seen any drama so far between our members and anyone else. Oh and of course I know about the "Kick ENLI" meme, I wasn't around for the start of it, but I kinda understand why it started "Test was bad", "We don't want ex test" ect.
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I'm in a sharing mood.quote:From: Ivor Bigballsack Note that Mr. Real Games Journalist 1) didn't verify that I'm literally not a mod on TMC, 2) can't make a sentence without a lot of errors and 3) is blatantly someone's Hisec alt. This is the poo poo I get in-game now. I used to get hate mail for scamming/suicide ganking 
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Ice Fist posted:
You read the date I assume? 
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Uba Stij posted:I'm in a sharing mood. Has to be far less fun this way.
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Alexzandvar posted:Being in ENLI I guess this distracts me from what he means (I was never in TEST so I have little idea about what went on internally then) but whats "wrong" with ENLI? This is a six month old screenshot that I'm pretty sure is also fake.
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Mar 12, 2014 21:20
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Voyager I posted:This is a six month old screenshot that I'm pretty sure is also fake. Ah, apologies, didn't bother to check the date.
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vyst posted:You're goddamn right I'm proud of being able to see my dick. gently caress you Blawrf. 
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Mar 12, 2014 21:25
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Alexzandvar posted:Oh and of course I know about the "Kick ENLI" meme, I wasn't around for the start of it, but I kinda understand why it started "Test was bad", "We don't want ex test" ect.  Of course we also said Kick Battlestars and Kick LoveU, and actually meant it for them because they were loving horrible. It would help if there were people in Enli who actually posted on the forums or something. That whole vow of silence thing your CEO has you on is getting kinda weird at this point. You can't possibly be worse than SMA.
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Which member corps don't we want to kick?
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Voyager I posted:Which member corps don't we want to kick? Kick 4S
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Voyager I posted:Which member corps don't we want to kick? BOS 
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mikey posted:Yeah, what a novel concept: If you reward your leadership and allies with loyalty and respect, you'll generally get that in return. TEST is what happens when you treat them like poo poo. PL has the policy, which is basically part of why Waffles do what we do, that everyone should be competent enough to FC if the need arises. It's worked pretty well in terms of in-game fighting. The way PL, and even Waffles, are ran I can't comment on since I'm not a W-Dir nor in PL
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Fun fact: I have spent enough time with SV that I have been confused for a BOS member.
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Klyith posted:Nah, we say Kick Enli the same way we say Kick Widot and Kick Merchi before you. Don't take it personal. It's because we don't want to feed any of the people who are actually serious about kicking us. Still we have had a big push to get people into squads and like I said Iv not seen any drama of whatever. The corp is also pretty close knit community, we help move each others stuff all the time and pride ourselves on helping newbies (Hence the whole ENLA thing). So if you want to take the silence in some way, take it as we try to keep hurf blurf to a minimum.
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Pioneer42 posted:The only reason I stick it out with Dreddit even though it's nearly intolerable is because it is my EVE history, and the only other group I would even play this game with is you guys, and it's doubtful that could ever happen. Not to put too fine a point on it but you have absolutely no clue how many old Dreddit guys are currently sitting in GSF (it's a lot).
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ApocalypseMeow posted:I haven't had trouble buying anything in station apart from skillbooks. Just a tip you may not know: you are always able to set your clone to your school system. The NPC corp you were in when you first started playing. School stations have most skillbooks available, certainly most of the ones a newbie needs. So don't pay nulsec markup for skillbooks, just pod yourself back to school, inject all the books you want, and then pod yourself back home.
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Voyager I posted:Give it a shot. Vyst seems to have a soft spot for people who were once bros with us and just happened to stick out a ride on the wrong boat. You post alright and I wouldn't fault you for not ditching your old community. Rhymenoserous posted:Not to put too fine a point on it but you have absolutely no clue how many old Dreddit guys are currently sitting in GSF (it's a lot). I'm about as close to the edge as I've ever been.
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Angela Christine posted:Just a tip you may not know: you are always able to set your clone to your school system. The NPC corp you were in when you first started playing. School stations have most skillbooks available, certainly most of the ones a newbie needs. So don't pay nulsec markup for skillbooks, just pod yourself back to school, inject all the books you want, and then pod yourself back home.  fake edit: I have definitely not been podding myself to Jita and warping to 4-4 this entire time. 
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pugnax posted:You read the date I assume? 
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pugnax posted:Actually, no, I'd like TEST to reform into a smaller, more focused, migrant entity with a focus on having fun and developing pilots. Oh, you were one of those shitheads harping on about how TEST should slim down and become elite pvp space nomads huh? I felt pretty smug when you guys lost all of your space and were forced into lowsec. So, how's the whole space nomad thing working out for you guys? Everything as awesome as you had hoped for?
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pugnax posted:Actually, no, I'd like TEST to reform into a smaller, more focused, migrant entity with a focus on having fun and developing pilots. Entities like this aren't very newbie friendly, and being newbie friendly is about the only thing TEST does right. I'm almost 100% certain that both BNI and ENLI don't exactly want to be feeder corps to a ~lean mean TEST alliance~ I won't disagree they should slim down, but the primary fat cutting should be at the top.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Entities like this aren't very newbie friendly, and being newbie friendly is about the only thing TEST does right. I'm almost 100% certain that both BNI and ENLI don't exactly want to be feeder corps to a ~lean mean TEST alliance~ Did right, past tense. At this point I wouldn't dare recommend a newbie to TEST, because of the toxic fuckers who infest that alliance. I would rather refer them to E-Uni.
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MisterOblivious posted:Oh, you were one of those shitheads harping on about how TEST should slim down and become elite pvp space nomads huh? I felt pretty smug when you guys lost all of your space and were forced into lowsec. He's in PL so I'm pretty sure the nomad thing is working out for him fairly well.
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Alexzandvar posted:It's because we don't want to feed any of the people who are actually serious about kicking us. Still we have had a big push to get people into squads and like I said Iv not seen any drama of whatever. The corp is also pretty close knit community, we help move each others stuff all the time and pride ourselves on helping newbies (Hence the whole ENLA thing). Case in point: Moomin Amatin.
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Doublestep posted:He's in PL so I'm pretty sure the nomad thing is working out for him fairly well. It's much easier to be a space nomad when you have an alt with a carrier than it is for say some 6 month old dude to truck all of his poo poo out to whatever wasteland your going to infest this week or alternatively just buy new ships there with money he probably doesn't have. There's a reason space nomad works for PL and BL. There's also a reason it takes our orgs about half a week to move anywhere.
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's much easier to be a space nomad when you have an alt with a carrier than it is for say some 6 month old dude to truck all of his poo poo out to whatever wasteland your going to infest this week or alternatively just buy new ships there with money he probably doesn't have. It's ok. My corp is about as spacerich as PL or BL on a per-member basis, most of us have carriers and we have fantastic JF services. It takes us a minimum of 1 week of advanced notice and another half week of moving ops to move our most active pilots anywhere, and that leaves stragglers logging in for the next several months wondering where we all went. So if your org of any size can manage to move in half a week, good on them.
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I am convinced I'm the only one in GSF who fly's a Bellicose, every time I bring it to out cattlecruiser fleets I'm the only one. I have zero idea if this is a good or bad thing, but at least I'm on most every KM 
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's much easier to be a space nomad when you have an alt with a carrier than it is for say some 6 month old dude to truck all of his poo poo out to whatever wasteland your going to infest this week or alternatively just buy new ships there with money he probably doesn't have. It's also much easier to be a space nomad when you own the largest renter alliance in the game 
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's much easier to be a space nomad when you have an alt with a carrier than it is for say some 6 month old dude to truck all of his poo poo out to whatever wasteland your going to infest this week or alternatively just buy new ships there with money he probably doesn't have. Clearly the answer is free carriers+skillbooks for everyone.
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