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Bob Morales posted:I spent a Saturday and Sunday in the office working on stuff that can't be done during M-F, basically two whole 6+ hour days. So I asked if I could take day off in exchange a few weeks later, because I know other people flex time out. This is the problem with taking comp time at some companies. Thankfully it's not an issue with my department but other departments within the company seem to have issues where your performance is judged by how long you stick around in the office. If you get all of your work done for the day in 7 hours you better stick around for another 3 just to keep up appearances.
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quote:Salary people who work extra hours I’m pretty flexible with, people who are salary but think they work only hourly and pretty much work 8-5 M-F, I don’t flex for. The salary position is a give and take position. I’ve put in many hours that I’ve never been compensated for, that goes with the territory. I took last Monday off as sick but ended up working 4 hours that day. By the end of the week, I had already worked more than the 8 hours off site than what I was being charged for my sick day.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:26
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Sounds like you have important commitments from 5pm to 9am every day of the week and from 5pm Friday night to 9am Monday morning.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:29
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That email is perfect. He doesn't give flex time for people that work 8-5 M-F, and he is not giving you flex time. Therefore he just told you that you should be working 8-5 M-F. Next time someone wants you to work later, tell them you have written instructions from you boss to not work OT.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:34
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Mattress Man posted:poo poo that's pissing me off: being told by the future CEO that he is "concerned about my attitude" because I told a department head to go away and use the helpdesk for IT issues while I was troubleshooting an Exchange 2013 mail flow issue. You are my hero.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:36
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Sounds like a peach to work for.
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Mar 14, 2014 15:36
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He says give and take but then says he won't actually give anything. 
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Mar 14, 2014 15:36
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I think last week he just sat here running speedtests till 6:30
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Mar 14, 2014 15:56
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Ask what he's willing to give considering he knows what he's going to take.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:01
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Bob Morales posted:I think last week he just sat here running speedtests till 6:30 It'd be fun to find out what exactly speedtest.net looks for on the target server, because of course it uploads as well as downloads. Then you could simply add a DNS record to point to a local server with the same software on to reply with, so when the guy runs the test, it comes back as amazingly fast, and he can stop wasting his time.
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Mar 14, 2014 16:02
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Bonus points for making the upload and download contents something amusing, such as the individual's browser history. I'm sure it's a gem.
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Mar 14, 2014 17:14
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evol262 posted:You're exempt if your contract says you are, safely. Yes, HR/legal may cave if you dispute it. But you're probably in an at-will state, and they'll find a reason to fire you and find someone else who isn't quite so picky about labor laws (or rewrite the position so it barely fits). I think I may have misrepresented myself. I may work hard, but I do get a lot of flexibility, and even though I have vacation time my boss never let's me use it. Instead he just tells me to go when I need to. I just don't want him getting in trouble if I am not exempt. There are only 5 employees here, so if the DOL came by and audited him for whatever reason, he could potentially be hosed hard. Do I like my job? Yes, I love my job. Do I like my pay? Lmbo no, not at all, it's poo poo for the work I do, but finding a new job is proving to be... difficult at best.
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Mar 14, 2014 17:21
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So the exchange 2013 updates we installed last night hosed up and we had to reinstall sp1. Email still wouldn't send...until we found that it turned off our send connector. Wtf Microsoft?! I haven't had more than 4 hours of sleep a night this whole week. poo poo not pissing me off: picking up a new BMW tomorrow thanks to sweet sweet overtime.
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Mar 14, 2014 17:58
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An email came in from the CEO's assistant. We should update the name sheets/bios we all have hanging on the fronts of our cubes/offices with more information. Suggested categories include "secret talents", "indulgences" and "theme songs". I updated mine so that my name and title are at the top, with the following QR code in the bottom right: If I can get ONE person to scan it, it will be worth it...
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Mar 14, 2014 18:31
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Sirotan posted:If I can get ONE person to scan it, it will be worth it... Ahahaha, nice. See, this is a clever way to do that.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:37
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Bob Morales posted:Some seriously rear end in a top hat bullshit And that's why salary positions are so often a trap. gently caress that guy, he's such a perfect prototypical version of "The Problem" it makes me sick. My boss, who is typically really awesome, kind of tried that with me. Look man, it's 40 a week with a very small amount of goodwill wiggle room, but that's it. I am not going to be the first-in/last-out guy just because I am salary, thanks.
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Mar 14, 2014 18:48
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Yessssssss two people came in and scanned it. One of them lost a $1 bet because they thought it would be a link to guinea pig pictures.
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Mar 14, 2014 20:22
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What good is standardizing your software when your disconnected from reality Director comes down and tells you to "just push down another browser to a user because IE is giving her fits" I know IE is poo poo, but its the standard. You don't just willy-nilly deviate from the standard. If our engineers and admins wanted Chrome out and about, we'd have it already.. right? EDIT: Mattress Man posted:poo poo not pissing me off: picking up a new BMW tomorrow thanks to sweet sweet overtime. At least you're not slobbin' your boss's knob for it! slightpirate fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 20:30
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Sirotan posted:An email came in from the CEO's assistant. We should update the name sheets/bios we all have hanging on the fronts of our cubes/offices with more information. Suggested categories include "secret talents", "indulgences" and "theme songs". I updated mine so that my name and title are at the top, with the following QR code in the bottom right: Do I count? Cause hahaaaa that's pretty great. Sirotan posted:Yessssssss two people came in and scanned it. One of them lost a $1 bet because they thought it would be a link to guinea pig pictures. Just saw this and that's cool. Surprised it happened so fast!
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Mar 14, 2014 20:49
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What's pissing me off? Pushy staff. I offered to help run a report of e-mails out of our contact manager once a guy here knew exactly what he needed to send up. It's a way for him to look good and hey, I don't mind giving someone five minutes of time here and there. He asked me to run it and I said I would wait until we had all the details, since I didn't want to create something and then have to recreate it after a revision. He asked me to run it ANYWAY.I posted:No, I will run it when the details are clear. I don't think there will be any fallout, but man, it sure pushes me over toward the DO NOTHING FOR OTHERS EVER IF YOU CAN HELP IT, ESPECIALLY "FAVORS" camp.
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Mar 14, 2014 21:14
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I'd talk to that person first thing and make sure that email doesn't get forwarded  I sent a flamer to a director's secretary one time, who was offering up my department to her weekend clients as Saturday night A/V support. Talked to her FIVE MINUTES LATER and apologized for saying a bunch of true things, and she forwarded it to her boss anyway. Then she told me she didn't know how her boss got a copy of the email 
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Mar 14, 2014 21:57
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I am not concerned if he forwarded it. I already did along with the entire chain leading to it, then I went to our boss and explained it. I wouldn't call it a flamed. Hell, I'd call it nearly polite. He understood, had no beef with me about it and said it was perfectly appropriate. If it's not, I don't care. My time here is almost up anyway. I wasn't rude and when he responded with his request, I turned it around in about 3 minutes.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:06
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AlternateAccount posted:What's pissing me off? Pushy staff. That is an excellent response; very professional but clear and assertive at the same time.
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Roargasm posted:Talked to her FIVE MINUTES LATER and apologized for saying a bunch of true things, and she forwarded it to her boss anyway. Then she told me she didn't know how her boss got a copy of the email Never apologise for telling the truth, it will gain you nothing. You should think hard before saying the truth, but once it's said, stick to your guns.
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Mar 16, 2014 01:06
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Roargasm posted:I'd talk to that person first thing and make sure that email doesn't get forwarded Expect that everything you write in an email will be forwarded to someone else higher in the org chart, especially if it can be twisted to make you look like a grouch, unwilling to do your job, bad, or a combination of all three. Think very very carefully and re-read what you typed before hitting send - it will save you a world of grief down the line.
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Honestly, I have a really hard time with it. Today, I feel bad because I am pretty much incapable of actively being "mean" to someone. Usually I just passively cut someone off, but it's really hard for me to actually not work with someone. It always feels like a personal failure when things break down to that degree. Not to get too philosophical, but I've taken this to heart since I first read it and it's not uncommon for it to keep me from getting resentful or hateful toward people who cause me problems: Marcus Aurelius posted:Begin the morning by saying to thyself, I shall meet with the busy-body, the ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious, unsocial. All these things happen to them by reason of their ignorance of what is good and evil. But I who have seen the nature of the good that it is beautiful, and of the bad that it is ugly, and the nature of him who does wrong, that it is akin to me, not only of the same blood or seed, but that it participates in the same intelligence and the same portion of the divinity, I can neither be injured by any of them, for no one can fix on me what is ugly, nor can I be angry with my kinsman, nor hate him, For we are made for co-operation, like feet, like hands, like eyelids, like the rows of the upper and lower teeth. To act against one another then is contrary to nature; and it is acting against one another to be vexed and to turn away.
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Kind of funny there was union talk before because I'm pretty sure even a vague fart that sounded like union would've caused either my previous boss to poo poo himself screaming or some random toady trying to get on his side to rail against it. I think you'd have to fight against a lot of the FYGM people in IT too, there's a shocking amount of cute little randians out there. I'm sure you'll eventually have your day, IT helpdesk peon #20035363. You're the next Galt, yes.  (I learned to keep my politics to myself very quickly, which in general is a good idea but especially there. Hard when your family is/was union people though.)
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AlternateAccount posted:Not to get too philosophical, but I've taken this to heart since I first read it and it's not uncommon for it to keep me from getting resentful or hateful toward people who cause me problems:
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Sir_Substance posted:Never apologise for telling the truth, it will gain you nothing. You should think hard before saying the truth, but once it's said, stick to your guns. I see you have never been married.
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Mar 16, 2014 04:29
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Volmarias posted:I see you have never been married. And never will be. I know a bad deal when I see one.
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evol262 posted:Meditations is broadly self-soothing for someone who's stuck in Dacia and Germania with a bunch of morons, and is seeking to make it meaningful. Bravo to you if you're that stoic. Haha, well put. I am not that Stoic, but I apply enough to counteract my own less productive instincts. Otherwise, I do tend to get a bit emotionally involved in issues(not terribly, but it's rarely helpful) and a constant reminder that whatever's broken, burning down or otherwise not working today is a temporary occurrence and not the sum total of my existence.
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Bob Morales posted:<salary vs. hourly> Here's how you solve this: Work 8-5 M-F and nothing else, decline to complete tasks that cannot be performed within these hours without a prior arrangement involving comp time. However every afternoon take one email that you are writing (that isn't too time critical) and use delayed delivery or similar to have it sent in the evening. On Friday do it for a couple to be sent across the weekend. In a previous job I got praised for working extra hours while doing exactly this after I got screwed out of a title/raise for a job I was already doing.
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Stanos posted:Kind of funny there was union talk before because I'm pretty sure even a vague fart that sounded like union would've caused either my previous boss to poo poo himself screaming or some random toady trying to get on his side to rail against it. I think you'd have to fight against a lot of the FYGM people in IT too, there's a shocking amount of cute little randians out there. Working in IT is a really mixed bag with regards to this. On the one hand, there are guys at my workplace selling their Bitcoin mining rigs and quoting Atlas Shrugged. On the other, there's lots of people laughing at those people. And then there's the one guy who only got into Bitcoin to buy weed. He knew what was up.
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door.jar posted:Here's how you solve this: I had a similar issue of being given extra tasks not assigned by my schedule. Took a few meetings to lay down the theory that annoying me with stupid little tasks that are well documented kinda makes me not work on productive work. Ended up with a whiteboard by my office door to which people could write their task, along with a jobcode and 'urgency rating' compared to what I was supposed to be doing. It sort of worked, but still, 5 years in that place 'earned' a rating of alcoholic until I left.
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door.jar posted:Here's how you solve this: We were on Microsoft's spam blacklist for almost 2 days. It's not simple to get off, and duringr the second day of trying everything online I started making phone calls. I spent 2 calls @ 1+ hours each and finally got through to someone who could get me off the list. I emailed him at 10:30pm (when I finally got off the last call) and said I got us removed from the list. Then I forwarded him the email from the Microsoft support team that stated we were removed from the list and within 1-2 hours the changes should propagate. Then I sent an email to a company-wide mailbox (companyname@companyname.com) letting everyone know we were off the list and when they came in the next morning, that everything would be back to normal. He always emails ME stupid questions/requests/reminders at 9pm-11pm and he's always talking about how he was up working until midnight, plus his emails get forwarded to his phone, so I assumed he'd see them. He comes in the next morning and then at 8:30 emails me to ask if I made any progress on the blocklist. I just looked at him like We had just gotten in a huge fight the previous week because he fires off a bunch of emails asking about poo poo before he reads his unread messages, where he could find all the answers and updates on everything he asked about. Example: We had a UPS that had a battery die, so it was firing off alert emails every 10 minutes or so. The first email would say 'self test failed' the next email would say 'bad battery detected', they came in pairs. He forwards me the self-test failed email, asking me why I hadn't taken action on it yet, and asked what the problem was, while giving some stupid suggestion of his own of what the problem was. Stupid Boss posted:Day two receiving these messages, what do they mean? I replied back "Didn't you read the next email?" and then he yelled at me for giving him a sarcastic reply. Bob Morales posted:Do you not see the other one that comes right along with it saying there's a faulty battery? Stupid Boss posted:SORRY, I READ THE EMAILS OUT OF ORDER!!! I hope my asking you a question was not too much of an imposition of your valuable time. Stupid Boss posted:Well, when I ask you questions that you do know the answers to, I just get snotty responses about why I don’t know what you know or you want me to dig out the answer for myself rather than ask you. I ask you questions so that I don’t have to spend my time looking into it. Your job is to provide me answers to the questions I ask, not to give me crap about it. Maybe you have a misunderstanding of the hierarchy here. In case you didn’t realize it, I’m your supervisor and you work for me. Speaking of the Microsoft blocklist incident, he wrote me an email asking something like "Are you working on this? Are we ever going to get off the list? Are we just not going to email anyone who's email is hosted with Microsoft for the rest of our lives?" I replied with "Bob Morales posted:Don’t send me sarcasm if you don’t want me doing it back to you. Stupid Boss posted:I’m not sending you sarcasm. You don’t like to volunteer information. I’m glad that your taking steps to resolve it, but I’ve got to drag information out of you. I’ve got execs asking me questions and shrugging my shoulders is not an answer. I cannot assume you are working on it, I’ve got to ask you. However, you don’t like it when I ask you questions, you just want me to assume that you are taking care of it. Unfortunately for you, I’m always going to ask you questions, so you might as well be proactive and start telling me stuff before I ask. He asked if our ISP could help us get off the list, I said they probably wouldn't be of much help other than giving us a clean IP and setting up a PTR record. I asked them anyway and they basically wrote back "lol good luck with that", so I forwarded that to him. Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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^ as above. Owner of company: "Why do you think this company isn't making money?" Me: "Because you are such a horrible boss, no one wants to work with us, and we are pretty much blacklisted in the industry because of the poo poo you pull" *drops mic* (notice given)
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"Me boss you worker" is such a loving backward way of thinking I'm amazed that your boss can even find a computer let alone (barely) operate one. gently caress that guy. He manages you, that doesn't mean you are there to negate his requirement to think, you're not his PA. Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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Caged posted:"Me boss you worker" is such a loving backward way of thinking I'm amazed that your boss can even find a computer let alone (barely) operate one. gently caress that guy. The owner of our company was divorced from her husband. But somehow he still had a grasp on the company too, while working various management roles at some pretty big corps (our clients). We lost the biggest client we could have ever gotten because they put 2 and 2 together and realised he had a stake in us. Man I would love to post the audio of the meetings I was part of. It's pure gold. Includes such classics as: "My corporate credit card is being used for booze and strippers? For 1 year? And not actioned until now?" "Our company vehicles have maximum fuel efficiency at 140KM/h!" "What is SEO? We need it!" "Just use X person's work boots, they aren't here right now" (X had serious foot fungus) "What is the server actually for? Isn't everything accessible on those Lacie Ethernet Drives?" "I cant backup" followed by "Oh I left all the offsite backup drives at home" "What do you know about pouring concrete slabs?" "Lets just put all that crap in the disabled toilet room, none of us are retarded"
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You emailed you boss information before he/she asked, and then you were told you need to be more proactive about giving information?
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Replying with the original email attached is usually a fast way to respond. People have done this to me on occasion, and I haven't minded. In my mind, it amounts to a polite "I already told you that." Also, as a leader, if you ever need to say "I'm in charge", then you've already lost.
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