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Gyshall posted:Caw Blade standard was degenerate as gently caress. I can't even remember a deck that you could play that wasn't blue/white with Jace and a bunch of swords/birds/etc. I had to table judge a top 8 Caw Blade mirror match at US Nationals one year. It took forever, and every game went through the same "phases". The Squadron Hawk phase, the Jace phase, the Celestial Colonnade phase, zzzz....
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Yeah at one point the diversity boiled down to Sparkblade, Deathblade, traditional UW, and a RUG control deck. I think some value bant pod decks with Elesh Norn and Jin Gitaxias popped up near the end but it was never significant.
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En Fuego posted:Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months! As much as that guy is an rear end in a top hat and deserves his punishment its frustrating to see that WOTC refuses to acknowledge the fact that a significant portion of their community has hygiene problems that need to be addressed, which is the only reason this guy decided to "crack-shame" or whatever on the internet. Greasy, smelly, fat douchebags, shotuing "THATS loving GAY" when they lose are a bigger blight on Magic tournaments than some rear end in a top hat posing with peoples rear end cracks.
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Gyshall posted:Caw Blade standard was degenerate as gently caress. I can't even remember a deck that you could play that wasn't blue/white with Jace and a bunch of swords/birds/etc. Splinter Twin, Valakut, and Birthing Pod were all viable archetypes during Batterskull Caw-Blade standard. Funny thing was, a week or two before the bannings, a deck was coming into popularity called "Twinblade". Yes, it was Stoneforge Mystic/Splinter Twin combo/aggro/control. Needless to say, any deck from that era would absolutely crush the standard decks of today (which says good things about the changes R&D have made). quote:As much as that guy is an rear end in a top hat and deserves his punishment its frustrating to see that WOTC refuses to acknowledge the fact that a significant portion of their community has hygiene problems that need to be addressed, which is the only reason this guy decided to "crack-shame" or whatever on the internet. Helene has mostly been dodging the issue on twitter, she's said that they doesn't know how to address the issue because of regional differences in acceptable dress. Which is a reasonable concern but far from insurmountable. Lord Of Texas fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 21:03
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Unleashed Crakens!
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Stinky Pit posted:As much as that guy is an rear end in a top hat and deserves his punishment its frustrating to see that WOTC refuses to acknowledge the fact that a significant portion of their community has hygiene problems that need to be addressed, which is the only reason this guy decided to "crack-shame" or whatever on the internet. They could easily implement a dress code. You could keep in casual but if someone's attire (or lack there of) is distracting away from the event you could call a judge to take action. Events should be about the games...not who has the greasiest neck beard or hairiest rear end crack.
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Mar 14, 2014 21:05
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I don't think Wizards will really want to make half of their customers feel unwelcome. That said, I only show up to FNMs in my finest trench coats and top hats.
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Lord Of Texas posted:Splinter Twin, Valakut, and Birthing Pod were all viable archetypes during Batterskull Caw-Blade standard. Funny thing was, a week or two before the bannings, a deck was coming into popularity called "Twinblade". Yes, it was Stoneforge Mystic/Splinter Twin combo/aggro/control. Needless to say, any deck from that era would absolutely crush the standard decks of today (which says good things about the changes R&D have made). I knew I forgot about Twin but Valakut got completely erased by Cawblade decks. What's funny about how degenerate that format was is that in between crazy BBE/Blightning Jund and Mythic the meta was like, G/W Quest and Vampire aggro for a few months.
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People at my LGS do what they call 'pack wars' where they each open packs and whoever has the cheapest rare has to pay for both packs. My question is does this constitute illegal gambling? My friend who did it is super anxious/paranoid that they'll find him somehow and he's going to quit unless it turns out it's legal
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En Fuego posted:Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months!
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I showed up to a FNM in a suit and people freaked the gently caress out, thought the FBI was going to arrest the owner for kiddie porn or something.
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BJPaskoff posted:Me too, the only recent one I know on there is the guy from Massapequa, who was the store owner in this story. The lifetime bans are always interesting to wonder what they did to get a lifetime ban. I always forget which guy on the list got his lifetime ban for assaulting a judge.
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Mortimer posted:People at my LGS do what they call 'pack wars' where they each open packs and whoever has the cheapest rare has to pay for both packs. My question is does this constitute illegal gambling? My friend who did it is super anxious/paranoid that they'll find him somehow and he's going to quit unless it turns out it's legal Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Zoness posted:Comparing Thoughtseize to Fact or Fiction makes about as much sense as saying that Chromanticore existing in current Standard is comparable to playing Cruel Ultimatum in 5CC Standard. Uh, what? No it's not. Regardless, I genuinely don't think Fact or Fiction would be particularly broken or format warping if reprinted in Standard. Nor do I think it would have as much effect on the meta as Thoughtseize does right now.
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Mortimer posted:People at my LGS do what they call 'pack wars' where they each open packs and whoever has the cheapest rare has to pay for both packs. My question is does this constitute illegal gambling? My friend who did it is super anxious/paranoid that they'll find him somehow and he's going to quit unless it turns out it's legal Usually gambling involves money transactions, but its tough for anyone to answer that without knowledge of your City, County and State.
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Mortimer posted:People at my LGS do what they call 'pack wars' where they each open packs and whoever has the cheapest rare has to pay for both packs. My question is does this constitute illegal gambling? My friend who did it is super anxious/paranoid that they'll find him somehow and he's going to quit unless it turns out it's legal It is gambling, but it depends on the laws of your state as to whether it's illegal gambling.
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qbert posted:Uh, what? No it's not. That as it may be, IIRC MaRo or some other R&D'er has stated in the past that they basically don't want good, cheap, instant-speed card draw. Inspiration seems to be the benchmark they place at that. Note that while Cryptic Command is an absolute house it draws one card at most. FoF also exists at a place for intuitive play that won't let it see play. Also it was arguably much more format warping than Thoughtseize was and more game-deciding when it was resolved, but those points are probably subjective at best. Thoughtseize's mana cost lets it see more play now but I don't think magic is in a place where Fact or Fiction will ever see standard print again, and Steam Augury isn't even remotely close. Realistically though, in this case it's less of a power level thing and more of a 'harsh skill tester' thing, because I don't think they want to have players know how to break FoF piles which was a big deal when FoF was in Standard.
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Virginia:quote:§ 18.2-325. Definitions. So....yes? Welp I might just inherit a few thousand dollars worth of cards and all it cost was my paranoid friend quitting 
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rabidsquid posted:I knew I forgot about Twin but Valakut got completely erased by Cawblade decks. What's funny about how degenerate that format was is that in between crazy BBE/Blightning Jund and Mythic the meta was like, G/W Quest and Vampire aggro for a few months. Valakut was still around post-MBS to prey on the aggro decks. It wasn't tier 1 and the Caw-Blade matchup was horrible, but it still had plenty of places at PTQ's and a few at SCG's and GP's. It's funny, at the SCG Indianapolis after Mirrodin Besieged was released (and thus Caw-Blade was fully legal), the new sensation of the format wasn't Sword of Feast and famine, but that stupid Kuldotha Red deck. I think Vampires won the tournament, of all things. Even SFM-less Caw-Go wasn't that popular. Hindsight, hooray!
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Interesting ways to get perma-banned from DCI events... Threatening to rape a DCI employee then blame it on "cultural differences" http://www.gatheringmagic.com/player-receives-lifetime-ban-for-threatening-wizards-employee/
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Mortimer posted:Welp I might just inherit a few thousand dollars worth of cards and all it cost was my paranoid friend quitting What the gently caress are you on about? Is this a real post? Is your friend crazy? I don't even. Tell him not to do pack wars?
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Nissir posted:Interesting ways to get perma-banned from DCI events... Yeah a bunch of really loving dumb arguments popped up when that guy got banned. It wasn't just any wizards employee either wasn't he threatening Helene Bergeot? I mean not that it matters who he threatened but I don't know that there's anyone worse he could have picked.
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Lord Of Texas posted:Helene has mostly been dodging the issue on twitter, she's said that they doesn't know how to address the issue because of regional differences in acceptable dress. Which is a reasonable concern but far from insurmountable. They are going to have to address it and other issues very soon. Magic is booming right now but if its going to maintain its growth and relative mass appeal they are going to have to deal with some long standing issues. The most pressing IMO is the number of WPN Partner Stores running their events and being just absolutely gross. Stories of filthy, grimy, shoddily run and unwelcoming LGS's are far more common than they should be. Judge Tasha Jamison ran an excellent presentation at GPDC called "Creating Safe Spaces" I fully expected mostly a discourse on why letting players shout "human being" at the local LGS was unacceptable but it was actually a really good piece on how traditionally insular communities like Magic are accepting to a fault, filled with people so afraid of being the kind of bully that pushed them around in middle school, that they put up with all kinds of poo poo like atrocious hygiene in the interest of being "inclusive" and how bad that attitude is. Magic tournaments can't be a safe place for Neckbeard McGroderson and the rest of the lost boys to hide from girls and mean people anymore. Its about time that the WOTC and TO's collectively demand that they grow the gently caress. "Shower, wear reasonable clothes, and act like an adult or don't come to Magic tournaments anymore" Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Heard the words rape, gay, and human being more at the fnm I've gone to twice in the last 2 months than I have in the entire year. It's really bad.
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En Fuego posted:Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months! Mortimer posted:People at my LGS do what they call 'pack wars' where they each open packs and whoever has the cheapest rare has to pay for both packs. My question is does this constitute illegal gambling? My friend who did it is super anxious/paranoid that they'll find him somehow and he's going to quit unless it turns out it's legal  This happened down in Georgia(?) a year or so ago. Having typed that, the only way you get caught is a disgruntled player much like illegal poker home games. If everyone is chill, who cares?uggy posted:Heard the words rape, gay, and human being more at the fnm I've gone to twice in the last 2 months than I have in the entire year. It's really bad.
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Korak posted:Please report this. The problem with telling people to report it is that they worry they'll get ostracized for tattling. And unless it's only one guy repeatedly making those comments, there isn't much the store owner can do about it.
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uggy posted:What the gently caress are you on about? Is this a real post? Is your friend crazy? Yes and yes. My friend is super OCD/paranoid and the first and one of the few friends I have since moving out here, which is what sucks. He's one of those guys that washes his hands after everything he does which makes them super scaly and gross, but other than that and being paranoid about going to jail he's a pretty cool guy. I don't want this to become E/N though so I'll leave it at that. The pack wars themselves were pretty much store endorsed though, no idea how long they've been doing them. Think it would be smart to give them a heads up or would that mark me as "the person that reported them" if/when they ever get caught? (They also do "Thunderdome" where each player opens a box, takes the last pack, and pays for the other guys box if their rare is worth more  , which seems a lot worse.)
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tzirean posted:The problem with telling people to report it is that they worry they'll get ostracized for tattling. And unless it's only one guy repeatedly making those comments, there isn't much the store owner can do about it. The problem as I see it is that many store owners are as bad as segments of the community. You think Magic tournaments can be home to smelly greasy nerds. Try a TG Trade Show. The average Magic tournament has nothing on the kind of creatures I saw at ACD Games Day 2013.
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The Black Friday after RTR came out I saw no less than 4 boxes get pack wared during FNM.
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"Hurtful acts" "frustration and dismay" I think I tend to be more tolerant than many goons of the spread of 'hugbox language' but I'm pretty sure I've found the point at which my eyes roll straight out of my head.
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tzirean posted:The problem with telling people to report it is that they worry they'll get ostracized for tattling. And unless it's only one guy repeatedly making those comments, there isn't much the store owner can do about it. I asked them to stop, using a mixture of "come on, guys, we're supposed to be adults" and "that's not what Mr. Rogers would say." Generally, if the players are over 18, they're pretty good about minding their language, especially if you just point to a little kid two tables down and ask "do you think that's OK to say?" It's surprisingly easy to help a particular microculture learn to adapt to new guidelines, and it was extra-nice seeing a new foul-mouthed friend show up and get dressed-down by a local I had played with, his new friend sat down and said "dude, my new deck rapes face so hard" and my friend said "bro we don't say that here."  So, it can be done.
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tzirean posted:The problem with telling people to report it is that they worry they'll get ostracized for tattling. And unless it's only one guy repeatedly making those comments, there isn't much the store owner can do about it. Magic Tournament Rules for Regular REL posted:Serious Problems If the event is sanctioned, it's the duty of the HJ (at FNM, usually the TO) to enforce this. If it's the store owner and they don't enforce the rules for Unsporting Conduct, they can get reported and lose the ability to sanction tournaments. Definitely say something.
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To be clear, I do speak up when I hear it. But I've heard others say "why bother?" when they're told they should report it, with those reasons.
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tzirean posted:To be clear, I do speak up when I hear it. But I've heard others say "why bother?" when they're told they should report it, with those reasons. Are you saying something to the person saying these things, or to the TO?
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En Fuego posted:Looks like 'CrackGate' has concluded with a suspension. 18 months! Good. Isn't that guy a TO/judge? Sounds like he screwed his shop over royally.
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ScarletBrother posted:Are you saying something to the person saying these things, or to the TO? Both, usually. TO always, guy saying it when I know who it was.
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tzirean posted:Both, usually. TO always, guy saying it when I know who it was. If they're not warning->DQ'ing the offenders, then you should consider reporting them to Wizards.
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Stinky Pit posted:The problem as I see it is that many store owners are as bad as segments of the community. You think Magic tournaments can be home to smelly greasy nerds. Try a TG Trade Show. Exactly, exactly this. I would honestly say shop owners that I've met are on average worse than the playerbase in terms of scumminess.
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Lord Of Texas posted:Exactly, exactly this. I would honestly say shop owners that I've met are on average worse than the playerbase in terms of scumminess. If their livelihood becomes threatened because of their own scummyness, they will be incentivized to change.
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ScarletBrother posted:If they're not warning->DQ'ing the offenders, then you should consider reporting them to Wizards. I've seen them warn the offenders, especially at one store. The problem is it doesn't do much good when nobody reports them for it again until like six weeks later.
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