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can some nice young person could crop me a dr. wendigo, pretty please.
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God, that preview.
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Mar 15, 2014 03:59
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In the future, someone will binge watch this entire series. And they wont be ok.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:00
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I don't like Bev's chances.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:01
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I'm inordinately fond of Will's attorney. He's weirdly hilarious, as hilarious as anyone can be in an episode with all that gore.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:03
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Oh man, when I did my rewatch before the season started, I had thought something was up in the beginning of episode 11 (Roti) where Drs. Chilton and Lecter are having dinner together and talking about Chilton's psychic driving of Dr. Gideon, and Hannibal says "You're not the only doctor to have ever driven a patient to murder" but I didn't say anything. According to the preview, that's not an unforgotten phrase.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:03
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jscolon2.0 posted:I don't like Bev's chances. Everybody is doomed except Scott Thompson.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:04
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I really like Will Graham's lawyer as well. He somehow is able to dodge the slime that his maneuvers should exude. Instead he comes off as strong and quite good at his job. Notice how easily he seems to reduce Alana Bloom, arguably the most confident and independent member of the central cast, for instance. Also, I'm still torn about whether or not Hannibal is this new copycat killer. Is he being coy and playing a new game, or during this episode is he being honest for once? His stone-confident mask seemed gone this episode, an he seemed like he was genuinely physically emoting often, whether it was hope, distress, or even confusion at a few points. Lately they've had no real qualms treating us to the inside knowledge of Hannibal's crimes, yet this time they've shied away from such actions and kept us in the dark. Why would they do that? They clearly want us wondering about Hannibal's guilt, but we're already long past treating him as a sympathetic character. It is a conundrum.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:12
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der juicen posted:can some nice young person could crop me a dr. wendigo, pretty please.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:15
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Alright, I am calling a crazy theory right now, Alana Bloom is the real copy cat, not Hannibal.
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:Alright, I am calling a crazy theory right now, Alana Bloom is the real copy cat, not Hannibal. I honestly got that vibe for a second too. Agreed that it is crazy though 
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Mar 15, 2014 04:26
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I love the idea though, she is crazy about Will! Also, was there an implication there that Hannibal caused some of the later seizures? We see what looks like him shooting up someone with something, but it's not really clear.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:31
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Okay so looks like are entertaining crazy theories so here is mine: May spoil the season for you if I am right: The reason we see Crawford and Hannibal fight at the start of the season is because Hannibal intends to frame Crawford to save Will. That Crawford is a the killer and only uses Will as an insurance policy to cover up his crimes. In fact the whole reason he pushed Will was to make him break down so he would be the prime suspect. Who else would know how to control an evidence scene, understand psychology, and know the exact details of the killings. In fact I bet we will find out the gun used was one that belong to Crawford that Hannibal stole and used for the crimes.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:37
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Makahlua posted:I love the idea though, she is crazy about Will! Also, was there an implication there that Hannibal caused some of the later seizures? We see what looks like him shooting up someone with something, but it's not really clear. That's what the preview implied, but will is an unreliable narrator I think Alana has been hypnotizing Will against Hannibal this whole time, planting seeds that he is behind all of the "copycat" killings. She is going to be an evil mastermind, and Hannibal really just wants a friend.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:39
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Okay so looks like are entertaining crazy theories so here is mine: I agree it is pretty out there as far as theories go, but I do think it would potentially allow for the next season to have Will and Hannibal both free and the dead Crawford now considered the insane killer who manipulated BOTH of them, which would also have Will seriously questioning whether he was wrong about Hannibal and he should trust him after all, and have Hannibal touted as the hero who survived the crazy Crawford's last and fatal attempt at murder and killed the killer in self-defense. It is pretty out there though, and unless executed very well would be probably considered trying just a bit too hard to subvert audience expectations, as well as deviating very strongly from the books.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:44
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Are you exiles from the True Detective thread or something?
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Mar 15, 2014 04:53
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   Hard to get dem antlers in there.
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Mar 15, 2014 05:00
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These theories are really stupid.
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Mar 15, 2014 05:28
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Bryan Fuller is hashtagging every tweet tonight with #stoolsample
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Mar 15, 2014 05:48
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So is hannibal really a pychopath? He really seems to love will.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:03
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Instead of Alana as a crazy theory for the copycat, my wife and I are pretty squarely centered on Abigail Hobbs. WHERE IS THE BODY. RIDDLE ME THAT. (Do silly theories need spoilers?)
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Mar 15, 2014 06:04
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Well Alana=evil mastermind is a bit out there, but her mucking around in Will's brain like everyone else wants to seems rather plausible. I know everyone wants to  at the two, but I think her 'professional curiosity' is winning out. She wants so very much for him to be 'unbroken' so she feels good about a relationship with him.And that's a big problem, because Will being different from normal people is both his talent and a very key piece of his personality. He shouldn't have to stop being himself, just for her, just to be with her. If I were Will, even as much as he likes her, the whole 'you were willing believe I was a serial killer, even if not consciously' also seems like a huge relationship deal-breaker.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:29
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drat my lack of DVR. I loved Will's lawyer. He had so many great lines. "You're smitten with the accused and that's adorable." Did he follow that up with "You're tracking young adult all over the room?" Because that's just a line Hannibal would need to smirk at. gently caress Chilton. Freddie Lounds strolled into court like Prince: tiny suit, big curls, bigger hat. The hat was just crazy. She is the star of her own network drama in her mind and I love to hate her for that.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:42
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Captain Magic posted:Instead of Alana as a crazy theory for the copycat, my wife and I are pretty squarely centered on Abigail Hobbs. WHERE IS THE BODY. RIDDLE ME THAT. I like that crazy theory. It reminds me of the joke about the pig with the four wooden legs.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:48
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blablablabla posted:So is hannibal really a pychopath? He really seems to love will. Sociopaths aren't necessarily completely devoid of empathy. Hannibal's particular damage is that he sees most people the way we see livestock, the perspective of a carnivore taken to its absolute extreme. The only people he shows any concern for are those he deems intelligent and sophisticated enough to count as peers, everyone else is just... meat.
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Mar 15, 2014 06:54
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nixar55 posted:Freddie Lounds strolled into court like Prince: tiny suit, big curls, bigger hat. The hat was just crazy. She is the star of her own network drama in her mind and I love to hate her for that. The Judge's "Oh for gently caress's sake!" face when she declared,"Abigail told me she feared Will would like to kill and eat her!" was hilarious.
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Mar 15, 2014 07:04
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Jerusalem posted:The Judge's "Oh for gently caress's sake!" face when she declared,"Abigail told me she feared Will would like to kill and eat her!" was hilarious. Aww man, I totally missed that, I was to busy yelling "WHAT" out loud. Especially after those red herrings that Freddie might be "an unexpected ally". Another solid episode, and I am really digging the "Hannibal sees himself as god" angle. However I can't believe the pace we're going at. I thought we would have the trial take place over a few episodes, now from that preview it looks like Hannibal is revealed as the killer next ep and I guess the whole fight happens episode 5. So WTF happens for the next 8 episodes or how are they going to turn this on it's head or I just don't know. I just know I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH!
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Mar 15, 2014 07:18
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I love atty Leonard Braver, but Raul Esparza as Dr. Chilton steals every scene he's in
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Mar 15, 2014 07:29
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After this latest episode, I can't figure out why Prunell is still so determined to convict Will. Shouldn't the new murders be casting extreme doubt on his guilt even from her point of view? I thought the FBI of all people would try to catch the actual criminal instead of convicting easy targets just to make their numbers look better.JoshVanValkenburg posted:Alright, I am calling a crazy theory right now, Alana Bloom is the real copy cat, not Hannibal. You think Alana lifted up that big bailiff guy and slammed him down on those antlers? Though that's definitely the most entertaining theory, I'll give you that. I think this new killer hasn't been introduced yet. I think the season will end with this mystery person getting blamed for all the murders and Will getting released. Even though Will KNOWS Hannibal is the real copycat killer and tried to frame him, he can't do anything about it since Hannibal could send him back to prison by revealing that Will's super empathy skills confirmed this new killer and the copycat are different people. So we go into Season Three with loving crazy amounts of tension  Edit: Oh wait I just remembered about the Jack/Hannibal fight. Well then move up everything I said happens into this season instead. jscolon2.0 posted:I don't like Bev's chances. Yeah... 
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Mar 15, 2014 07:32
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Makahlua posted:Well Alana=evil mastermind is a bit out there, but her mucking around in Will's brain like everyone else wants to seems rather plausible. I know everyone wants to I think that's what a lot of the tension in that "tracking young adult all over the room" scene was about. A sort of unspoken break up/shuffle into purely friendzone. At least on Will's part. I know no one watches this for the romance but if Will does end up with anybody on this show it'll be a new character or Beverly Katz If Fuller isn't heartless and decides to kill her ='(.
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Mar 15, 2014 07:34
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man love the fuller interview this week looks like this weeks episode sets up something big http://www.avclub.com/article/hannibals-bryan-fuller-his-brief-sojourn-legal-thr-202178 AVC: You bring the courtroom killer into everything here. It almost plays like a drawing room mystery. Is this something the audience can follow the clues along with it and solve it later in the season? BF: Absolutely. They’ll solve it in episode five. Episode five is so fun, and so many things happen, and it really is part of a very satisfying arc of stories that are very intricately woven. Three really is something that I think you’ll benefit from seeing before episode five, and then episode five goes above and beyond what you would expect from who you think that killer’s going to be.
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Mar 15, 2014 07:36
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Tokubetsu posted:At least on Will's part. I know no one watches this for the romance but if Will does end up with anybody on this show it'll be a new character or Beverly Katz If Fuller isn't heartless and decides to kill her ='(. I hope so, I really do. Beverly and Will's interactions seem way more chill and less forced than the constant awkwardness with Alana.
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Mar 15, 2014 07:37
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I think the killer of the bailiff is Abel Gideon. I could see Hannibal messing up details intentionally, but I can't see him matching the line from Will about "he thought he was his friend" or whatever. Also nothing was taken from the body for Hannibal to nosh on.
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Jerusalem posted:I agree it is pretty out there as far as theories go, but I do think it would potentially allow for the next season to have Will and Hannibal both free and the dead Crawford now considered the insane killer who manipulated BOTH of them, which would also have Will seriously questioning whether he was wrong about Hannibal and he should trust him after all, and have Hannibal touted as the hero who survived the crazy Crawford's last and fatal attempt at murder and killed the killer in self-defense. Rabbit Hill posted:Are you exiles from the True Detective thread or something? MrAristocrates posted:These theories are really stupid. This exchange was pure gold. I could have used this on EVERY page of the True Detective thread.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:04
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Sorry guys, I just thought it was an interesting if unlikely take on things v v
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Mar 15, 2014 08:11
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blablablabla posted:So is hannibal really a pychopath? He really seems to love will. As hannibal himself said, [will] is a means to an end.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:16
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Every time someone dies on this show I laugh my rear end off. This is an amazing alternate universe where dramatic serial killings happen as often as parking tickets. Cynthia Nixon's reaction to seeing a dead judge was about as shocked as finding vomit on her desk. I mean seriously, she just throws up her arms and goes home like it was just a bad day at work. What a crazy world.
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Mar 15, 2014 08:59
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I think the most disturbing thing in this episode was finding out Abigail's ear was cut off while she was still alive. Hannibal why 
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Mar 15, 2014 09:50
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You might not have noticed, but Hannibal isn't a very nice person.
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blablablabla posted:So is hannibal really a pychopath? He really seems to love will. He's not meant to fit any known psychological categories or to be particularly realistic as a serial killer. They gave Miriam Lass a book line about this, that they call him a psychopath or sociopath because they don't know what else to call him. It's just shorthand for crazy killer we don't understand. There's a good explanation of his feelings for Will in the AV Club walkthrough porkchop_express posted. quote:AVC: You’ve played around a little bit with Hannibal’s emotions. How much do you think he really misses Will?
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love will turn you around