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Tekopo posted:Naming a ship Invincible is just courting disaster (see the Battle of Jutland). Naming a ship Invincible might be presumptuous, but naming a ship the USS Buoyant just seems desperate.
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Norway's new MTBs are named Shield, Storm, Shot, Steep, Flicker and Spark  Too bad they are extremely expensive and nobody needs them.
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I guess it's just tangentially related, but today at class my 20th Century professor mentioned how Hitler's death was never confirmed and there were "strong evidence" he had fled to Argentina. He pointed to sightings and the "mysterious deaths" of witnesses, but the same has been said of a lot of Nazi war criminals. I kinda remember Ian Kershaw saying he had, indeed, died in 1945? Is this agreed to be what happened nowadays? Because I swear, Hitler Escaping to Argentina and Pearl Harbor being an Inside Job are two omnipresent opinions at my university and it's driving me up the wall.  I'm sorry if this is one of Those Topics, but I'm genuinely curious.
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Azran posted:I guess it's just tangentially related, but today at class my 20th Century professor mentioned how Hitler's death was never confirmed and there were "strong evidence" he had fled to Argentina. He pointed to sightings and the "mysterious deaths" of witnesses, but the same has been said of a lot of Nazi war criminals. I'm so sorry about the 'education' you're getting man. And your slow-rear end internet 
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Koesj posted:I'm so sorry about the 'education' you're getting man. And your slow-rear end internet This cubed. The Soviets had the corpse and its well documented.
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The Russians found a badly burnt corpse of a man in the garden of the Reichs Chancellory next to the equally badly burnt corpse of a woman. The Goebbels family was found nearby. They took the remains to Moscow. At some point, most of it was properly burnt and then apparently thrown into a river. Only part of the skull remained. After the cold war German forensic experts analyzed the skull and compared the dental work to Hitler's dental records. They matched close enough (the records had to be reconstructed by his dentist from memory). Nevermind the fact that Hitler would have had to evade the combined attempts of the Soviets and the Allies to make it out of Berlin and onto a submarine, which then would have had to make the long journey to Argentina, where he would have to evade the combined attempts of the Soviet, Western, and Israeli intelligence to stay hidden. We're talking about a physically and mentally very sick man who was always known for being a loud, boasting gambler. People who still believe Hitler went to South America shouldn't be teaching 20th century history. At the very least, he should present his evidence, and no, eyewitnesses don't count (at least not by themselves) since they are notoriously unreliable. When you have written orders to take Hitler to Argentina, with the log of the boat that took him there, and exhumed his grave in Argentina (since presumably he has died in the meantime), then you have a case.
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Azran posted:I guess it's just tangentially related, but today at class my 20th Century professor mentioned how Hitler's death was never confirmed and there were "strong evidence" he had fled to Argentina. He pointed to sightings and the "mysterious deaths" of witnesses, but the same has been said of a lot of Nazi war criminals. What flavor of Pearl Harbor was an Inside Job were you getting? Is it the Churchill knew but didn't tell FDR to get the US into the war version? Or was it the FDR wanted to start a war and got our boys killed to do it? Both are special flavors of insane.
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Excuse me, how can you overlook the conclusive evidence posted on this very website?Triticum Guzzler posted:Ah, Prospector. My dearest old friend. I am still alive and quite well, thank you. Have not seen these chem trails of which you speak, as I am residing in a remote location south of ______________. But, there is a Starbucks so no complaints lol -- just a little lonely -- but as they say, leaders don't have friends. Such a shame that I became so hated by the modern world, people whose generation I had no affect on. Though your government is very good at what it does, and that is spreading lies and propaganda. There was no holocaust -- those body stash pictures were just captured prisoners and war criminals. A certain... Alphabet soup agency just wanted my country's insanely sick black technology for their own. That new iPhone? It's rubbish. Don't get me started on Play Station. I had a better console in my underground lair over half a century ago until Force Recon stormed my bunker and I had to haul rear end. You should know I still look the same, if not younger... my heart still kicks like a drum,. You would not believe the advances we had in age reversal even in the 40s, and were going to give it to my Aryan kingdom, until your suits snatched it away from me so they could profit off engineered sickness and "natural causes." It's good to hear from you, as always, and I wish you and the FYAD gang all the best. I am very intriqued by this irony that you guys use a lot. Stop by __________ some time, and I might just take you for a ride in my old Vril disk anti grav space ship. Truly yours,
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Welp. Thanks for the answers guys. The version taught here, just for curiosity - and I've seen it published in newspapers before, for gently caress's sake - is that the Soviets lied when they said they arrived first into the scene and found the bodies of Eva and Adolf. Due to the supposed lack of evidence (since the KGB disappeared into the night with the supposed bodies or something, never to be seen again), it was OBVIOUSLY just the KGB tried to appear competent when they said what they said. Bacarruda posted:What flavor of Pearl Harbor was an Inside Job were you getting? Is it the Churchill knew but didn't tell FDR to get the US into the war version? Or was it the FDR wanted to start a war and got our boys killed to do it? Both are special flavors of insane. Churchill and Roosevelt knew all along. They were cruel men, so they were more than willing to kill people to get the US into the war, for profit mostly. I've heard of a professor, thankfully not in my university, who went as far as to say that "America got into the war when it was already won. Its intervention made no difference whatsoever to the war effort. By the time of Operation Overlord, Germany had no more strength in it." The whole Hitler myth is up there with a LOT of poo poo that I just can't believe gets taught nowadays here. Pyramids being built by Hebrew slaves, people in Antiquity only living up to their 30s as a worldwide average, Catholicism being the only religion in the Known World by the time the Vatican gets established, Roman polytheistic faith being stolen from the greeks and declared as their own, the Fulda Gap, etc. God, just typing it up makes me annoyed. It's loving History Channel: The University. I wish I was loving kidding. Like I said, thanks a lot. 
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Excuse me, how can you overlook the conclusive evidence posted on this very website? Where do you live? Edit: Aw dang, we lost our gold. What happened? Edit 2: It's back, all is well. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Mar 15, 2014 |
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You're welcome and keep on being an awesome thread.
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WEEDLORDBONERHEGEL posted:That's the good poo poo. Argentina. Also, that red title. 
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Azran posted:Argentina. ) Argentina. quote:Also, that red title.
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WEEDLORDBONERHEGEL posted:Oooooh my goodness. Is any of it explicitly right wing? I know nothing of post-Perón (the first time Right now, Kirchnerism (a left wing branch of Peronism) is kinda hogging all the power, but besides political story relating to Peronism, it doesn't tend to go touch the rest of the world's history before the 1920s. So the Argentinian professor defending German supremacy in everything war related? Probably just a Nazi fetishist or something. There's an old joke that goes "There's a Peron for everyone", because you can ask ten Argentinians what kind of political movement was Peron leading forward, and you'll get ten different answers, that go from Che Guevara-style revolution to National-Socialism. Now, to keep it tangentially related to the topic at hand, have a couple pictures of I guess you could call it Iconic Argentinian equipment? The Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM) - Medium Argentinian Tank. (Say hello to the concept of tank weight categories. If I recall correctly, the reason why they never built a "heavy tank" was something akin to "Our road infrastructure is kinda lovely, so driving it around will cost a lot of cash in road maintenance")  And the FMA IA-58 Pucará, a ground attack/counter insurgency plane which Sri Lanka also uses for some reason. Pucará means "Fortress" in Quechua, a Native South American language. 
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Sri Lanka probably used it in a counter-insurgency role against the Tamil Tigers.
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Azran posted:
Hardly on topic, but I thought the Roman polytheistic faith thing was pretty much true? Or at least, it was pretty drat heavily inspired by greek myths.
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Davincie posted:Hardly on topic, but I thought the Roman polytheistic faith thing was pretty much true? Or at least, it was pretty drat heavily inspired by greek myths. From what I understand both the Roman and Greek pantheon developed separately from a more ancient 'root' pantheon as opposed to the Romans just stealing or adopting the Greek pantheon whole cloth.
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Davincie posted:Hardly on topic, but I thought the Roman polytheistic faith thing was pretty much true? Or at least, it was pretty drat heavily inspired by greek myths. I'm on a phone right now so I can't help you find it, but there's an excellent post in the ancient history thread debunking the myth ( ) of direct symmetry between the Greek and Roman pantheons.
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Azran posted:Welp. Thanks for the answers guys. I recall in Antony Beevor's book, he claimed that at least some of the confusion was due to an amusing practical joke that Stalin played on Zhukov. "Where's the body, Zhukov? Find me the body, Zhukov!" Stalin kept saying. So Zhukov had his troops tearing apart Berlin for Hitler's body. After a few fruitless months of searching, he was summoned back to Moscow, only to be presented with Hitler's skull. Surprise! The NKVD had been first on the scene and spirited it away, Beria had give it to Stalin months ago, and the rest was Stalin enjoying a post-war prank on the Hero of the S.U. Who knows if that's actually true, though.
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sullat posted:I recall in Antony Beevor's book, he claimed that at least some of the confusion was due to an amusing practical joke that Stalin played on Zhukov. "Where's the body, Zhukov? Find me the body, Zhukov!" Stalin kept saying. So Zhukov had his troops tearing apart Berlin for Hitler's body. After a few fruitless months of searching, he was summoned back to Moscow, only to be presented with Hitler's skull. Surprise! The NKVD had been first on the scene and spirited it away, Beria had give it to Stalin months ago, and the rest was Stalin enjoying a post-war prank on the Hero of the S.U. "Comrade Chairman, I will be shot for this, but you are a bit of a dick sometimes."
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Davincie posted:Hardly on topic, but I thought the Roman polytheistic faith thing was pretty much true? Or at least, it was pretty drat heavily inspired by greek myths. Yeah, it's come up in the ancient history thread a few times, most recently probably 5 pages ago. Although they might look similar in some cases, the gods themselves were very different people, and seen very differently. However Roman religion was quite syncretic, so they did co-opt foreign deities from time to time. Most notably a Carthaginian one who's name I've forgotten.
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ArchangeI posted:"Comrade Chairman, I will be shot for this, but you are a bit of a dick sometimes." Let's be honest, if you were in Stalin's position it'd be hard to resist the temptation to gently caress with people like that. Granted, to get to where Stalin was you'd have to be a complete rear end in a top hat to begin with...
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ArchangeI posted:"Comrade Chairman, I will be shot for this, but you are a bit of a dick sometimes." 
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Regarding British ship names, the fact that they named their last Vanguard-class boomer the Vengeance makes me laugh. Pretty sure that is the all time best name for a survivable second strike nuclear missile sub.Alekanderu posted:Sri Lanka probably used it in a counter-insurgency role against the Tamil Tigers. That they did. The LTTE managed to shoot a couple down.
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Azran posted:I guess it's just tangentially related, but today at class my 20th Century professor mentioned how Hitler's death was never confirmed and there were "strong evidence" he had fled to Argentina. He pointed to sightings and the "mysterious deaths" of witnesses, but the same has been said of a lot of Nazi war criminals. Hey don't be so sure, there's substantial photographic evidence that supports this theory. 
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Here I was thinking Hitler secretly moved to the UK and changed his name to Badolf Schmitler.
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I thought Hitler took a submarine to the South Pole and resurfaced in Japan to raise an alien spaceship (and may actually be a Lovecraft thingy). This is kinda fun. :melbrooks:
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iyaayas01 posted:Regarding British ship names, the fact that they named their last Vanguard-class boomer the Vengeance makes me laugh. Pretty sure that is the all time best name for a survivable second strike nuclear missile sub. Honestly, nothing will ever beat the idea of calling a perfectly operational and normal destroyer HMS Decoy.
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Slavvy posted:Here I was thinking Hitler secretly moved to the UK and changed his name to Badolf Schmitler. Hilter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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Umm, wasn't he killed by the elder gods when the plan to resurrect an SS division at lake Totenkopf was foiled by the four Dillinger triplets and buried as a Jew?
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Thats before you factor out the clones made in brazil thats funded with confederate gold thats stashed in the amazon.
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Slavvy posted:Here I was thinking Hitler secretly moved to the UK and changed his name to Badolf Schmitler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg
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By the way, I found it. Here for those who can actually read Spanish, there's a book by an Argentinian journalist called "Following Hitler's steps" in which he explains how Hitler escaped (in a sub) to Argentina, and spent the rest of his life in Bariloche, living under the name of Adolf Schütelmayor, and later, Kurt Bruno Kirchner. "He did frequent trips between Brasil, Colombia and Paraguay, he didn't live in isolation. Of course, the escape of the Nazi leader wouldn't have been possible without an agreement between Nazi Germany and the United States; in which the USA would get german soldiers, equipment and cash (brought from the fatherland) to use against Communism, while the Nazis would obtain political immunity and a new purpose in the American war effort." This is the best quote: quote:"Allied secret services knew about this, and the evidence is in their reports. They knew about Hitler's current situation, but they never acted against him. They could have captured him easily, had they wanted to do so. It was easy for him to disappear in the county; after all, information was hard to come by at the time, and people knew there was a war, but not who were involved." There are also quotes from such witnesses as Hitler's personal food taster here in Argentina. According to the book, Hitler died in February 5th, 1971. Guy spent 20 years of his life working on this. 
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Azran posted:And the FMA IA-58 Pucará, a ground attack/counter insurgency plane which Sri Lanka also uses for some reason. Pucará means "Fortress" in Quechua, a Native South American language. Awwwww, a baby Warthog 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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As Hitler I would have taught myself some Yiddish and migrated to the Holy Land under the name Reltih Floda. A perfect escape.
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quote:information was hard to come by at the time, and people knew there was a war, but not who were involved." Makes sense: Hitler didn't just buy a flat in Buenos Aires, he was paradropped into the deepest jungles of the Amazon (i know that'd be in brazil) to live amongst undiscovered Indian tribes and use their mystical knowledge of nature to gain immortality.
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Uhm, Hitler is clearly an alien like the rest of the aryans. Miguel Serrano taught me that.
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