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Thank yall so much for posting again so im not bumping this talking to myself  HOLY poo poo Forrest Whitaker is amazing It was really cool seeing him start off charming and in control, then quick tempered and angry, then obsessive and insane. I did think his ex wife loving Mackey was a bit much and not sure why the lawyer all of a sudden found Vic irresistible but whatever. Also Lem is by far the most sympathetic 
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the_american_dream posted:HOLY poo poo Forrest Whitaker is amazing He was sensational in that role. Jon Kavanaugh is an incredibly nuanced and emotional character, and Whitaker played him to a loving T. If you didn't think Forrest Whitaker is one of the greatest actors in the world before watching The Shield, you'll know now.
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Feb 24, 2014 04:07
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the_american_dream posted:I did think his ex wife loving Mackey was a bit much and not sure why the lawyer all of a sudden found Vic irresistible but whatever. Also Lem is by far the most sympathetic Keep posting even if you feel like you're talking to yourself. This show is worth talking about. Is there somewhere else where I can talk about my half baked theories about The Shield on SA?
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Feb 24, 2014 04:45
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Cartoon posted:I'm not sure if it is unintentional and subtextual but there is a whole dissertation about Alpha Male psychology and status inherent in the major characters in The Shield. Mackey is portrayed as being irresistible to most women and the appeal only makes sense in the context of his status in the pecking order. For both this and the possibly unwarranted focus on underaged sex there is a deeply uncomfortable side to the writing in The Shield. What me not being able to stop watching it says about me? That's a part of it I'd say, but I'm pretty sure Kav's wife also hosed him in part just to gently caress with Kav. She is crazy after all. On the underage sex part, I always took that to be a power thing. I mean, Shane, who is constantly undermined, emotionally immature, and shown to be not THAT great with women his own age is the first example that jumps to mind. I mean he has Mara, and they do love each other, but it's hardly a healthy relationship and she seems to be the one in control most of the time. I've seen the kind of guys who go after 'jailbait' girls and they fit Shane to a T. The only other examples I can think of are all gangbangers and that one child porno episode. And that kind of poo poo does happen a lot in 'rougher' areas for roughly the same reasons as above. In all I thought it was an intentional representation of predatory relationships, at no point did I get the impression that the writing (in this aspect) was ~*$PROBLEMATIC$*~.
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Feb 24, 2014 05:27
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Cartoon posted:I'm not sure if it is unintentional and subtextual but there is a whole dissertation about Alpha Male psychology and status inherent in the major characters in The Shield. Mackey is portrayed as being irresistible to most women and the appeal only makes sense in the context of his status in the pecking order. For both this and the possibly unwarranted focus on underaged sex there is a deeply uncomfortable side to the writing in The Shield. What me not being able to stop watching it says about me? That you're over-analyzing, hah. You should rarely try to project the beliefs/psychology of the creators from a subtextual reading of an individual work. Probably not the best idea heading down the rabbit hole of analyzing yourself from there either. Stick with a focus on what a work communicates, but first constructing what those events tell us about the characters like that post above this one does with Shane. (Although everything you speculated is probably accurate for Kurt Sutter) I'm somewhat reminded of those people who were irate at The Shield's "anti vaccination stance" where they were looking at the words and actions of the characters without taking them into the context of the show and how that reinforces what we already know about these characters. Vic and Dutch are probably about equally attractive physically, but Vic is confident and charismatic while Dutch is a total goon. There's not a lot of mystery to Vic's appeal, and while I could take those facts to pretty easily construct a convincing read of the work as based in "alpha male psychology" and (ugh) "sexual market value", it would be kinda intellectually dishonest. For example, the thesis is pretty much handed over by Mackey's own daughter explaining why she likes that one boy because "he's cool, like you.... everyone likes him and he doesn't take poo poo from anyone," but the nuance is in between. Those key words "he's like you" tell us what the scene is really about. Vic's increasingly troubled daughter compensates for inadequate affection by seeking out boys resembling the absentee father she idolizes so much. The indirect consequences of Mackey's behavior take their toll on his family, and even a man who would do anything for his children can still be a lovely father.
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Feb 24, 2014 07:39
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Exploder posted:Yeah, you're not kidding. Between this, two more seasons of Deadwood, and three days off, I will get absolutely nothing productive done in the foreseeable future. You lucky bastard.
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Feb 24, 2014 09:06
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Great show, Now i must start watching it again from the start as soon as i finish House of Cards season 2.
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Feb 24, 2014 10:30
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Exploder posted:Yeah, you're not kidding. Between this, two more seasons of Deadwood, and three days off, I will get absolutely nothing productive done in the foreseeable future. Deadwood is seriously fantastic, but it broke my heart. You'll know what I mean when you're done. Until then, live it the gently caress up.
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I don't think there is a single house in Farmington with closed curtains Edit: and they're always having sex the_american_dream fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 19:03
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Cartoon posted:
That was one of the main reasons I liked Billings so much, when he first came in I couldn't figure out what the hell he was supposed to be on the show other than a punch line, but he really did have some fun stuff by the end, and was a good perspective to contrast the rest of the cast.
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Feb 27, 2014 05:03
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Poor Cassidy. Not only is she Mike Chiklis in a wig, but she is a pretty poor actress edit: Oh wow I was just thinking they had a minor gently caress up with dialogue The federal agent telling Vic that him helping her doesnt mean she'll owe him and then the next day asking if he needed a favor its the least she could do  but nope she has... reasons. the_american_dream fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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Feb 28, 2014 01:51
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the_american_dream posted:Poor Cassidy. Not only is she Mike Chiklis in a wig, but she is a pretty poor actress Which made me wonder if she did anything after The Shield, nope. Looks like that was the extent of her acting career. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1188915
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Mar 1, 2014 23:53
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Just got into this show. The first season has been pretty great, but Michael Jace's portrayal of Lowe as a closeted gay man has been one of the best portrayals of a conflicted gay man I've ever seen on television.
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Mar 3, 2014 10:03
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pentyne posted:Just got into this show. The first season has been pretty great, but Michael Jace's portrayal of Lowe as a closeted gay man has been one of the best portrayals of a conflicted gay man I've ever seen on television. Yeah its pretty great in the first season, but lets say it does not keep up that quality through the series. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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Mar 3, 2014 17:02
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bobkatt013 posted:Yeah its pretty great in the first season, but lets say it does not keep up that quality through the series? I wouldn't say that. (All-seasons spoilers) It does get shoved pretty much completely after the sterility test and domestic disturbance scenes, but as far as I'm concerned, that was the only end there needed to be - it just happened that his 'ending' was long before everyone else's. Almost all the major characters in the show lose their moral perspective at a critical moment and are punished for it, to tragic consequences. Julien's fate is that the lies he put up to shield him in his professional work are piling up and he doesn't have any release for his frustration except on himself and his family. As much as we want to root for him, he doesn't get to have a happy ending.
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Mar 3, 2014 17:36
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MrBims posted:I wouldn't say that. That is what I mean. He choices his unhappiness and it is obviously destroying him. Also the fact that he is a main character in the first season and is then pushed to the fringes. When he joins the Strike Team it seems too little too late. After the marriage he seems not there. I mean one of his last scenes is him looking at a happy gay couple with saddness. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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Mar 3, 2014 17:40
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bobkatt013 posted:That is what I mean. You should fix your tags. Well, I think that's kind of the point and part of why he is such a memorable gay character. He asks tough questions about who he really is and what he wants, and he answers them with a crucial failure in character that is grounded in reality. Its an unfortunate fact that some gays never find it within themselves to accept who they are, and seek religion and conversion therapy as a means of 'curing' themselves. In a show where just about everyone screws the pooch and makes self-defeating moral compromises, they made Julien feel plausible in a way that you can understand no matter your own sexuality. It would feel preachy and out of place if he was the only one to get out unscathed.
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Mar 3, 2014 18:49
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MrBims posted:You should fix your tags. I agree. I think my issue was more that he only had that one storyline. The other characters just had more to do.
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Mar 3, 2014 18:53
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You guys were talking about the strong female characters in the Shield, what about the car thief/(maybe) prostitute woman that always flirted with Acevada? I forgot a lot of her plotline and what eventually happened to her, but I really liked the actress/character.
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Shageletic posted:You guys were talking about the strong female characters in the Shield, what about the car thief/(maybe) prostitute woman that always flirted with Acevada? I forgot a lot of her plotline and what eventually happened to her, but I really liked the actress/character. I've seen this show like 5-6 times through and have no idea who you're even talking about which is pretty funny. Also I couldn't really get into deadwood 
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Mar 3, 2014 21:50
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Shageletic posted:You guys were talking about the strong female characters in the Shield, what about the car thief/(maybe) prostitute woman that always flirted with Acevada? I forgot a lot of her plotline and what eventually happened to her, but I really liked the actress/character. She ended up being a part of another case in the last season. She was getting serious with a guy who got killed and was talking about getting out of the game and Vic encouraged her to leave
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Conquistador posted:I've seen this show like 5-6 times through and have no idea who you're even talking about which is pretty funny. It was after Aceveda got mouth raped and started getting really violent with a hooker/escort. It took me a second to remember it, too. Sucks about Deadwood, since it really is a fantastic experience. Edit: poo poo, I'm thinking of the wrong character.
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Just finished my 3rd watch through of this show, so envious of people who have never seen it. But the first thing I did as soon as it was finished was put on the Seinfeld episode with Michael Chiklis ... that is always the biggest mind gently caress ever after watching 7 seasons of Vic Mackey. "Jerry Baby!"
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thepokey posted:Just finished my 3rd watch through of this show, so envious of people who have never seen it. But the first thing I did as soon as it was finished was put on the Seinfeld episode with Michael Chiklis ... that is always the biggest mind gently caress ever after watching 7 seasons of Vic Mackey. "Jerry Baby!" You should check out The Commish. He's so jovial overall. He also wore a fat suit for it.
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Mar 5, 2014 20:23
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thepokey posted:Just finished my 3rd watch through of this show, so envious of people who have never seen it. But the first thing I did as soon as it was finished was put on the Seinfeld episode with Michael Chiklis ... that is always the biggest mind gently caress ever after watching 7 seasons of Vic Mackey. "Jerry Baby!" You should watch Wired. He plays John Belushi and all about how he was a stupid junkie who deserves to die.
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Mar 5, 2014 20:25
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thepokey posted:Just finished my 3rd watch through of this show, so envious of people who have never seen it. But the first thing I did as soon as it was finished was put on the Seinfeld episode with Michael Chiklis ... that is always the biggest mind gently caress ever after watching 7 seasons of Vic Mackey. "Jerry Baby!" So much of a mind gently caress, I didn't even recognize him when I watched that episode a few weeks ago! I recall reading an article linked from this thread that explained how casting him was a surprising choice, and now seeing him in Seinfeld definitely puts that in context.
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Recently finished my 2nd watch through and have to say that the people who think Julian's plot arc was curtailed or minimised really didn't pay attention. He went from being on the brink with a series of crises to a place where he had normalised his situation. This meant that he wasn't as involved in major drama personally and started to contribute as a part of the ensemble of supporting characters. The way his eventual failure to maintain his 'normality' is subtly foreshadowed is wonderful. As are his many pacts with Vic that revolve around his problems. That Vic was able to get so far inside such a straight player speaks volumes. Corinne stands out as being an off note. Either she is such a bad actress who takes direction so poorly that they were unable to cut or shoot around her, or the writers didn't develop her properly (or I'm missing something, hello watch through three!). Over the whole seven seasons she has a major role and a huge amount of screen time. If it weren't for this, letting it slide would be a thing (I don't really care that Cassidy isn't well developed, she is almost never on screen and knowing some of the teenagers I do monochrome is a valid portrayal). http://www.imdb.com/video/user/vi961846553?ref_=nm_rvd_vi_1 Seems she can actually act a bit.
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Cartoon posted:
Pretty sure Corrine was the wife of Shawn Ryan. So both of Vic's family members were cast as a result of nepotism.
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escape artist posted:Pretty sure Corrine was the wife of Shawn Ryan. So both of Vic's family members were cast as a result of nepotism. At least it's thematically appropriate?
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Hmm, I never minded Corinne or the daughter really.
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Man, I'm starting on season 7 and what amazes me the most is watching this show back to back seasons there is never a drop in quality. It's like one continuous season of the best TV ever. There's almost nothing that drags the show down. The weird Julian fighting his sexuality thing was odd but it faded away really quickly as he became more of a background character.
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pentyne posted:Man, I'm starting on season 7 and what amazes me the most is watching this show back to back seasons there is never a drop in quality. It's like one continuous season of the best TV ever. There's almost nothing that drags the show down. The weird Julian fighting his sexuality thing was odd but it faded away really quickly as he became more of a background character. What bugs me, as well as other posters here is specifically that; Julian becomes more-or-less a background character. I'm not saying that the gay thing needed to be there all 7 seasons, but dammit, give the character something else.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What bugs me, as well as other posters here is specifically that; Julian becomes more-or-less a background character. I'm not saying that the gay thing needed to be there all 7 seasons, but dammit, give the character something else. Wasn't that because of the pregnancy diverging the beat-cop plot-lines for the later seasons? Did they ever say what was actually meant to happen in that dropped plotline? I'm curious to see what the original plans for Juliens later plotlines were.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What bugs me, as well as other posters here is specifically that; Julian becomes more-or-less a background character. I'm not saying that the gay thing needed to be there all 7 seasons, but dammit, give the character something else. I was really frustrated that you pretty much never see him interact with his wife or stepson again, or find out what happened with him and his wife trying to have a kid together. Actually I found this show frustrating in general, despite loving it and the great writing and acting, simply because there are so many rear end in a top hat characters I was waiting to see get their just deserts.
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I'm rewatching this since the first time since broadcast on Amazon Prime and it's in 4:3. Is there a 16:9 version available or was it shot 4:3?
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Mar 17, 2014 01:04
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The first couple of seasons are 4:3 only, I think, while the later ones should be available in 16:9.
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Chiklis also played Curly in The Three Stooges tv movie and I'm pretty sure all that weight was him. Regarding Danny I either missed or just don't remember what happened with Lee or why she all of a sudden got so hostile with Vic. Did Cassidy's speech rile her up that much?
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Its funny of evil some the characters come off on the second viewing. At first, you might think that people like Monica Rawlings are someone you are supposed to be rooting for. Same with people like Vic or Acevada I suppose. But if distance yourself from the personal view and look at what the characters are doing, What The gently caress. Dutch killing kitties makea him the least evil person on the show. Also why the show is good. Though there are some thougts into public perception on civil rights definitely worth making.
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Rawlings has a monstrous personal vendetta against Antwon Mitchell and is willing to essentially tear Farmington/LA apart with her seizure policy in an attempt to get at him. Not a nice lady. But yeah, the show is really good at making the people you're "supposed" to root for really nasty. And it goes the other way as well, Vics wife is absolutely someone you should feel pity for and yet somehow they've managed to on a couple of occasions turn her into the villain of the relationship despite all the poo poo Vic pulls.
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RE: Julian. It's not even that his story sort of peters out into nothingness, but when he is on screen later on they don't seem to even try to put in any effort to make him have anything worthwhile to say or do. Vic: *States how the operation is going to go down* Claudette: *Reminds Vic of the consequences of not following orders* Ronnie: *Mentions what is at stake and why Vic needs to ignore Claudette in order to further plot and build tension* Julian: "I'll call for backup." (AKA "I am also here") Hell I'm just playing Xcom for the first time and as soon as they referred to the team as the "Strike Team", I immediately quit the mission and went about renaming all the soldiers after Shield characters. Julian was the only one to die in the first mission.
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