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Jake Armitage posted:Your definition of Occam's Razor says that if we don't know something, the best explanation is "we don't know". Also, "the simplest explanation is the correct one" and "the simplest explanation is correct" are the same thing. No. My definition (and the definition of Occam's razor) says that we choose what we do know and what we do have facts for. If you consider "the simplest explanation is the correct one" and "the simplest explanation is correct" to be the same thing then I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not a native English speaker. Or even an English speaker. Or even a speaker. I mean for fucks sake this poo poo is on the wikipedia page for crying out loud and apparently you can't even be bothered to check that before you try to debate me. The wiki sums it up thus: The sun, moon and other solar system planets can be described as revolving around the Earth. Still that explanation is unnecessarily complex compared to the modern consensus that all solar system planets revolve around the Sun. We know the plane has disappeared. We know this. We have no doubt about this. And yet you have just stated that it has obviously "exploded into dust over the ocean"; whilst that may have happened you have not, in any way argued against my fact. Until you can give any sort of explanation as to how the plane has not disappeared you are directly working against Occam's razor. I am constantly amazed by how people can be so confused by this principle but hopefully this makes it clear for you 
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Al Borland posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgA2xo0HYrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdCJRybAtso
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Zogo posted:JT: Do you, uh, live over in Arkansas, Dave, or...?
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duckmaster posted:No. My definition (and the definition of Occam's razor) says that we choose what we do know and what we do have facts for. from Wikipedia: It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. I hope your posts explode into dust over the ocean.
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My girlfriend has a secret landing strip and if you ask her very nicely she'll show it to you. j/k I don't have a girlfriend
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Occam sucked. Positivism sucks and is for nerds. This plane obviously went into the hell dimension from Event Horizon.
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Zero One posted:That's an A380 
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duckmaster posted:We know the plane has disappeared. We know this. We have no doubt about this. And yet you have just stated that it has obviously "exploded into dust over the ocean"; whilst that may have happened you have not, in any way argued against my fact. Until you can give any sort of explanation as to how the plane has not disappeared you are directly working against Occam's razor. For example, it is more parsimonious to think that the plane crashed than that it was hijacked by the illuminati who will use it for a false flag terrorist attack. Harald fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Mar 17, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 22:41
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Who's Ocam and why does he have a razor
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New CNN theory:quote:"Especially today, on a day when we deal with the supernatural, we go to church, the supernatural power of God. You deal with all of that," Lemon said to Meltzer. "People are saying to me, why aren't you talking about the possibility -- and I'm just putting it out there -- that something odd happened to this plane, something beyond our understanding?" http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cnn-don-lemon-missing-malaysia-jet-supernatural
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awesome-express posted:Who's Ocam and why does he have a razor He needed to shave, so he stole the plane. Simplest explanation.
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Rusty posted:New CNN theory: lmao, It was only a matter of time.
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Mar 17, 2014 22:49
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Milla Jovovich on right?
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awesome-express posted:Who's Ocam and why does he have a razor I really wish nobody had ever watched the movie Contact. Then nobody would ever know what Occam's razor is and we'd all be happy.
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Copley Depot posted:"The plane disappeared" is an observation. "Occam's razor" pertains to hypotheses for why the plane disappeared. Specifically, it says that we should prefer the most parsimonious hypothesis for why the plane disappeared. Could you possibly rewrite that without using words you clearly just stole from the wikipedia article I told you to read. Thanks
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Mar 17, 2014 22:55
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Dreamlogic posted:from Wikipedia: Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence:
Hypothesis 2: The plane disappeared. Evidence:
Hypothesis 1 does not fit Occam's razor. Hypothesis 2 does. How is this so hard to comprehend?
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Mar 17, 2014 22:59
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Dreamlogic posted:I keep seeing this story from sources I'm not familiar with, so I'm not sure if it's been verified, but ALLEGEDLY the pilot's wife and kids moved out the day before the flight. The origin of the phrase 'running amok'
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Mar 17, 2014 23:01
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Seriously, guys, what's so hard to understand? The plane lost its connection to the Platonic ideal of 'plane' and dissipated into the ether.
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Mar 17, 2014 23:05
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Hypothesis 2 is not a Hypothesis but a fact. A Hypothesis would be something explaining this fact hth
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Mar 17, 2014 23:06
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Oooh beaten
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Is there a finder's fee?
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: As you yourself said, "the plane disappeared" is a fact, not a hypothesis. You don't need to apply Occam's razor to determine that because it's been clearly established. What are you trying to accomplish here. edit: beaten by everyone because you're so wrong
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Also you forgot the smiley at the end of your post. I'm not sure what to think now.
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Mar 17, 2014 23:08
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Go home you guys, Courtney Love solved the mystery
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Mar 17, 2014 23:08
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Moon theory was right after all
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Dreamlogic posted:As you yourself said, "the plane disappeared" is a fact, not a hypothesis. You don't need to apply Occam's razor to determine that because it's been clearly established. What are you trying to accomplish here. It's the Allegory of the Gooncave, it think. Right now he's the goon in the cave, only able to see vague silhouettes of Wikipedia articles cast by the glow of an LCD screen, trying to form his worldview.
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Can we change thread to "occams razor mega thread" and then  promptly thanks!
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Mar 17, 2014 23:12
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The plane didn't disappear. We just don't know where it is, or the condition it's in. When you put the cat outside for the night it doesn't disappear, you just don't know where it is. Even if the cat explodes over the ocean and never comes home it didn't disappear, if anything it was more visable while on fire. Even if the cat crashed into the ocean like this plane obviously did, you could still see it if you knew where to look.
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Mar 17, 2014 23:14
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Unfortunately it appears mastery of ducks does not lead to mastery of logic, reasoning, or apparently even reading comprehension.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:The plane didn't disappear. We just don't know where it is, or the condition it's in. makes u think
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Mar 17, 2014 23:16
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Oh wow, didn't realize that phrase came from Malaysian culture specifically. While on one hand I feel bad speculating this about a guy I don't know from Adam, on the other hand it makes more sense than anything else I've heard.
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The reality is that nobody knows where the plane is so it exists in a hyperstate where it neither exists nor doesn't exist. It's not until we find the plane that the wave function collapses and everyone is either dead or on Mars.
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Came straight to the last page of the thread, did not disappoint. Looking forward to your dawning realisation in later posts
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To be fair the idea of using Occam's Razor to justify saying "The pilot did a suicide" in addition to "The plane crashed" is preeeety dumb. The simplest explanation is that the plane crashed, but once you start getting into the reasons it crashed then that blows simple out the window. We know that the pilot willfully changed course and followed a bunch of nav beacons, so that kind of rules out "Eh well mate you see the rudder probably fell off at some point" and you have to start considering crazier poo poo.
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duckmaster posted:Hypothesis 1: The plane was hijacked by terrorists. Evidence: Beautiful, you have an even smaller understanding of hypotheses than first year science students.
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Skipjack posted:plane literally occupies all possible dimensions of planeliness at once pending waveform collapse by anybody knowing what the gently caress is going on anymore Oh drat, I was beaten.
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bonestructure posted:The hot new theory comes from tumblr. This one is apparently gaining some traction even among sane people.  I think you might be putting too much faith in Malay radar. How do you know they didnt just start tracking SIA68/SQ68 as a cover up while aliens hijacked the plane over Vietnam to land on the moon?
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Mar 17, 2014 23:47
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I wish a plane full of people who debate Occam's Razor would disappear.
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ILL ON PZONES posted:I wish a plane full of people who debate Occam's Razor would disappear. Tower this is Hotel Hotel 1488 I seem to have lost my upvote button.
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Rusty posted:New CNN theory: When I saw that last night I thought that if I had to be in a plane crash I'd want it to be something cool at least. http://youtu.be/ctHltBauGc8?t=1m5s
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