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I'm of the opinion that the Buu Saga is a lot better than people give it credit for. That isn't to say it doesn't have it's problems, DBZ is far from perfect, but still. Some of my favorite moments from the entire show are in the Buu Saga, including Buu just summing up where the series had ended up with his line about how he and Vegito should just call themselves invincible and be done with it.
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Mar 18, 2014 01:15
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The entire show is imperfect but that's why I love it and also why DBZ: Abridged is the best verson.
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Mar 18, 2014 01:19
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Man, I just rewatched part of the Vegito/Buuhan fight - specifically the part where Buu tries to kill Vegito by turning into goo, flying down his throat, and making vegito swell up until Vegito chases him out by punching the big lumps of BuuGuu moving around underneath his skin. Dragon Ball is loving weird, you guys.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:16
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Spiritus Nox posted:Man, I just rewatched part of the Vegito/Buuhan fight - specifically the part where Buu tries to kill Vegito by turning into goo, flying down his throat, and making vegito swell up until Vegito chases him out by punching the big lumps of BuuGuu moving around underneath his skin. Still nothing on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.  It's actually kind of weird how straight the fights in DBZ are compared to stuff like JJBA or Naruto where it's all extremely tactical and often weird. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 02:33
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True, but those shows (as far as I'm aware) don't also feature the hero becoming a sentient, immortal jawbreaker and momentarily reducing the fight to a looney tunes sketch. For being a soul-shatteringly evil, body devouring horror, Super Buu's kind of a riot.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:36
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As goofy as the Buu saga is, a lot of what happens is incredibly dark and unsettling if you take a moment to think about it.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:47
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Spiritus Nox posted:Man, I just rewatched part of the Vegito/Buuhan fight - specifically the part where Buu tries to kill Vegito by turning into goo, flying down his throat, and making vegito swell up until Vegito chases him out by punching the big lumps of BuuGuu moving around underneath his skin. That part, like a good deal of the fights scenes in the anime IIRC, was anime-only.
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Mar 18, 2014 02:53
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WhiffleballDude posted:As goofy as the Buu saga is, a lot of what happens is incredibly dark and unsettling if you take a moment to think about it. Something that bothered me as a kid was that, at least in the anime, Buu started invading the afterlife and killing the souls there.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:02
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WickedHate posted:Something that bothered me as a kid was that, at least in the anime, Buu started invading the afterlife and killing the souls there. That in itself would've made for a good saga. Buu should've been about that. Goku should've stayed dead, and Buu's threat should have been "can destroy your SOUL" instead of just more power and regeneration. Then you can have the typical Shonen-power escalation, except instead of killing MORE people, his power starts to extend into the afterlife, thus justifying Goku working on that end of the problem.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:11
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WickedHate posted:Something that bothered me as a kid was that, at least in the anime, Buu started invading the afterlife and killing the souls there. Someone had to do it eventually, really. Otherwise, who even cares about this whole death thing? Let Buu blow up the universe, we'll just chill in heaven and laugh at him when he runs out of things to blow up and goes slowly insane(er) lost and alone in the void. I mean, that scene with Buu horribly killing every motherfucker on the lookout loses a bit of punch when we cut to to the afterlife and Videl and Chi-chi are just picking flowers with Dabura and talking about their men and having a grand old time.
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Mar 18, 2014 03:11
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Re: Buu Saga changes This would have been a pretty legit ending to the Buu Saga not gonna lie, even with all the other problems I had.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:01
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Spiritus Nox posted:Someone had to do it eventually, really. Otherwise, who even cares about this whole death thing? Let Buu blow up the universe, we'll just chill in heaven and laugh at him when he runs out of things to blow up and goes slowly insane(er) lost and alone in the void. I mean, that scene with Buu horribly killing every motherfucker on the lookout loses a bit of punch when we cut to to the afterlife and Videl and Chi-chi are just picking flowers with Dabura and talking about their men and having a grand old time. It's like Tien said. Why do you care. Death really has no meaning in this. We are literally waiting to go back. And I just remembered something. Chaotzu saying next time he gets a free sundae. I just realize technically he gets killed by Buu because of the whole earth blowing up. Hah.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:11
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Shindragon posted:It's Tien said. Why do you care. Death really has no meaning in this. We are literally waitng to go back. ...Wait. What even happened to those two? The last I remember seeing them was Tien using Tri-Beam to deflect one of Buutenks' attacks away from Gohan. Did Buu eat them or knock them out or...?
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Mar 18, 2014 04:13
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Spiritus Nox posted:...Wait. What even happened to those two? The last I remember seeing them was Tien using Tri-Beam to deflect one of Buutenks' attacks away from Gohan. Did Buu eat them or knock them out or...? Buu's legs kicked Tien and knocked him out, and we never saw him again after that, so presumably he and Chiaotzu (who wasn't anywhere nearby but didn't get killed by the Human Extinction Attack) died when Kid Buu blew up the Earth.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:25
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Tien's pointless cameo there just screams "Toriyama read a letter from a fan who wanted to see Tien again."
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Mar 18, 2014 04:30
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I thought it was hilarious. Tien's just wandering the world doing his own thing, maybe hearing some weird news about a crazy pink monster rampaging around, and then one day a giant beam almost kills him. His reaction? Go look for Goku because it's probably got something to do with him.
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Mar 18, 2014 04:43
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Spiritus Nox posted:...Wait. What even happened to those two? The last I remember seeing them was Tien using Tri-Beam to deflect one of Buutenks' attacks away from Gohan. Did Buu eat them or knock them out or...? I recall when Kid Buu was charging up to blow up the Earth, Goku had a choice between getting Gohan and Tien and the rest and Hercule, or at least something along those lines, cause someone yells at him later for not saving their friends over Hercule. Good decision-making though.
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Mar 18, 2014 10:42
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If it was Super Buu's human extinction attack then why were Tien and Chiaotzu targeted???
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Mar 18, 2014 15:17
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They are humans, from a time when humans with strange features/powers were a normal thing.
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Mar 18, 2014 15:30
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Steve Jorbs posted:If it was Super Buu's human extinction attack then why were Tien and Chiaotzu targeted???
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Mar 18, 2014 15:58
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Steve Jorbs posted:If it was Super Buu's human extinction attack then why were Tien and Chiaotzu targeted??? Presumably it also works on three-eyed cowboys.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:39
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Yeah, it probably worked on King Dog as well.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:58
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They died anyway when the planet blew up, so it's all moot anyway
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Mar 18, 2014 18:45
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The best thing about Buu that people don't realize is that he's a genie. The last battle in Dragon Ball (before Battle of the Gods) was basically Toriyama saying that since pure power ends with Cell, let's just have the genie from Aladdin come in and see what happens.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:36
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Still waiting for the Dragon to sing Friend Like Me, Team Four Star.
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Mar 18, 2014 20:33
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Here have some Nappa singing Do You Want to
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Mar 19, 2014 04:54
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My only disappointment is that it doesn't end with the sound of Vegeta blowing Nappa up, which is in the grand scheme of things a minor disappointment.
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Mar 19, 2014 05:31
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Darko posted:The best thing about Buu that people don't realize is that he's a genie. Been saying this for ages, glad to see someone else got it too. Gotenks was also Aladdin.
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Mar 19, 2014 07:37
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Now I'm interested to see how Abridged Popo will react to Buu. Calling it now, they're related somehow.
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Mar 19, 2014 07:53
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Popo is the strange cousin
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Mar 19, 2014 07:58
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Buu killing everyone on the lookout was the laziest writing in the entire series and actually a really low point for Toriyama's writing. Bulma manages to survive anything and everything for decades, dramatically avoiding death, only to be killed off-camera by being turned to chocolate. #18 was once the coolest Vegeta-humbler ever who managed to trick Satan into making her rich...also killed off-camera by being turned to chocolate. Chi chi, Popo, Ox King, etc, etc. turned to chocolate off camera etc. Point is that it trivializes the ENTIRE series by that point since all of their miraculous survivals equal nothing since they die off camera anyways. May as well have just forgotten them like Lunch.
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Mar 19, 2014 08:10
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It wasn't dying, it was a free ticket to otherworld.
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Mar 19, 2014 08:14
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Mister Roboto posted:#18 was once the coolest Vegeta-humbler ever who managed to trick Satan into making her rich...also killed off-camera by being turned to chocolate. I don't know if blackmail qualifies as trickery.
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Mar 19, 2014 08:19
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bowmore posted:It wasn't dying, it was a free ticket to otherworld. The Next Dimension
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Mar 19, 2014 08:19
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I'm a real sucker for made-up cosmologies and Toriyama at least made a memorable one (before he threw it out of the window, that is), but man does Dragonball universe suck for non-fighting characters. It's basically how ordinary people must feel in Marvel or DC universe: vastly expendably, utterly pointless, devoid of any hope or ambition.
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Mar 19, 2014 08:48
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Death had long been trivialised when Buu killed everyone on the lookout so it didn't really bother me.
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Mar 19, 2014 10:00
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Yes, Nappa. Yes I do. 
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Mar 19, 2014 10:06
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Mister Roboto posted:Chi chi, Popo, Ox King, etc, etc. turned to chocolate off camera etc. Wasn't Chi Chi transformed into an egg and stomped on or was that just the anime? Regarding Lunch, was there a reason she was just written out of the story when Dragon Ball Z started? No one got the shaft as badly as she did, even Chaozu at least shows up now and then throughout the end.
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Mar 19, 2014 13:51
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crankdatbatman posted:Wasn't Chi Chi transformed into an egg and stomped on or was that just the anime? Toriyama just forgot about her entirely.
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Mar 19, 2014 14:12
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crankdatbatman posted:Wasn't Chi Chi transformed into an egg and stomped on or was that just the anime? Only after she slapped Buu in the god drat face! Chichi was hardcore.
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