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Pharos is supposed to be hard? Hopefully all the crafting stuff is as awesome as the magical broom and the Chairbuncle.
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Mar 18, 2014 15:26
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Xenoveritas posted:It isn't insanely difficult. It requires people to be somewhat on the ball and know the mechanics, but it honestly isn't that hard. What is true is that the rewards it offers for clearing are nowhere near worth the effort required to clear it. My last run of PS had a scholar that didn't break 3k hp and kept standing in the way of siren dashes, he also couldn't heal siren song at all so I got to watch myself autoattack him for 900 damage a hit. We finally cleared it when I remembered that I could use self-heals in the form of second wind and bloodbath so I broke 3 siren songs myself.
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Mar 18, 2014 15:28
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sassassin posted:A few hours per day isn't hardcore? Compared to what I've seen, no. I've seen people spend 8-12 hours per day on the game. Speaking of which, time for a Crystal Tower pubbie story! I was doing CT yesterday, and we all wiped in the first room. The tank in one of the Alliances was new, and didn't know about tail drive. No big deal. Most people understood that it was his first run. Except the DPS in another alliance, who decided to do nothing but insult the tank, and bitch about how Square is the worst company in the world for "allowing these loving casuals to ruin my experience". Naturally people told him to shut up. He didn't like that, so we spent the next 5 minutes wiping in the same room because he would run in, aggro the dragon, and get everyone wiped (or nearly wiped) by Tail Drive. Eventually they ended up kicking him. I have no idea why, but the majority time I run into someone who is overgeared, they tend to be huge assholes.
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Mar 18, 2014 15:28
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Did duty roulette yesterday and got Ifrit with a new tank, who died halfway through. What's my strategy then, as a dragoon? Stand in one place and try to act as a normal tank? Run around like a loon trying to kite and reduce damage, but probably making it harder for the other two dudes? We won cause it was only Ifrit, but it's not the first time I've had tanks die and as melee dps I assume I'm next in line to hold aggro...
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Mar 18, 2014 15:41
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sassassin posted:Did duty roulette yesterday and got Ifrit with a new tank, who died halfway through. What's my strategy then, as a dragoon? Stand in one place and try to act as a normal tank? Run around like a loon trying to kite and reduce damage, but probably making it harder for the other two dudes? Speaking as a healer: I probably hosed up, so please try to stabilize it and just do your best. Also please don't pop B4B during such a situation. 
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Mar 18, 2014 15:43
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sassassin posted:Did duty roulette yesterday and got Ifrit with a new tank, who died halfway through. What's my strategy then, as a dragoon? Stand in one place and try to act as a normal tank? Run around like a loon trying to kite and reduce damage, but probably making it harder for the other two dudes? MNK: Tank normally. DRG: Better geared DRG should tank normally. BLM/SMN/BRD: Do whatever, they don't have any positional requirements. (It's easiest just to tank normally, though.)
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Mar 18, 2014 15:55
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Oh my goodness... that new preview for the upcoming new crafts... WE CAN HAVE MATOYA'S BROOMS IN OUR HOUSE! That's friggin' awesome. We need to have like 10 brooms on every floor.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:16
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Has this been posted in here yet? Friend linked this to me: I have to admit, it made me laugh. Because its happened to me before.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:21
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I was really hoping that Big fishing involved making housing trophies that could be hung on your walls and if that magical broom sweeps around your house, it will be incredible.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:26
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jwang posted:Oh my goodness... that new preview for the upcoming new crafts... WE CAN HAVE MATOYA'S BROOMS IN OUR HOUSE! That's friggin' awesome. We need to have like 10 brooms on every floor.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:28
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Smart Car posted:I have a feeling the broom is actually a new minion. It almost definitely is.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:35
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DarkstarIV posted:Has this been posted in here yet? Friend linked this to me: They're playing Triple Triad in the last panel 
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Mar 18, 2014 16:37
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All Pharos needs is good heals. I did it a few days ago with 1 bad dps and a fresh 50 crap geared tank. It's just a long slog of a dungeon and the first boss is the hardest one and people don't know how to do him properly.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:39
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AlmightyBob posted:As a lowlevel tank I actually hate it when the healers sleep things, especially since while I was leveling WHM I never needed to. I can hold aggro on this poo poo, and I can tank the damage. Leave it alone. And especially don't use that loving knockback on it. Take that poo poo off your bars. WHM's knockback is off GCD, does a decent amount of damage, costs no mp, and keeps something away long enough to save you a cure, meaning you get an extra Stone II off. If you use it on something the party isn't fighting that's like 300 extra potency for free. Obviously if the party IS fighting it you lose a bunch of damage while they have to chase it, but used correctly it's a pretty efficient ability. You can also slam bosses with it for the free damage without knocking them back. Repose is also pretty good if you get the benefit of the full duration, 30 seconds saves a LOT of healing. Or you use it with a WAR tank and they wake everything up 2 seconds later. So yeah they can be used wrong, but in the right situation they let you get in a lot of extra dps. Summoner knockback is definitely poo poo though, it does less damage than the other ability on the same cooldown AND it makes everyone chase the drat target. I have to think it was included as a way to teach people to use Obey.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:46
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DarkstarIV posted:There are so many problems with Pharos right now its not even funny (its hilarious). From what I understand, its insanely difficult and not worth doing. Part of the community wants it nerfed, but there are people who are bitching that they'll unsub if Square nerfs it. You understand wrong. You should really try it yourself, Pharos is not that hard and the reputation it has is frankly unbelievable.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:46
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To put it plainly, the problem with Pharos is that the rewards it gives are worse than Crystal Tower, and Crystal Tower is easier to complete if only because your chances of winding up with a ton of people who know how to do it are higher.
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Mar 18, 2014 16:53
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Problems with Pharos: punished for being good at doing damage by wiping to massive amounts of adds you if you do too good damage. This is the entire issue with Pharos and pubbies can not wrap their heads around holding back to not completely overwhelm themselves with adds in fights. That's it. Everything else is fine about it, just the two first bosses just completely loving you over for having decent DPS output or having Summoner in your party, gently caress that poo poo
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Mar 18, 2014 16:57
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ilifinicus posted:Problems with Pharos: punished for being good at doing damage by wiping to massive amounts of adds you if you do too good damage. This is the entire issue with Pharos and pubbies can not wrap their heads around holding back to not completely overwhelm themselves with adds in fights. Heaven forfend.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:09
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I'm glad I haven't unlocked Pharos, then. WP/AK for easy duty roulette tome goodness!
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Mar 18, 2014 17:09
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What's the best recommended way to do Pharos if it was being done, particularly regarding that bit on holding back on the DPS? I'm asking this for a friend, and are there any other dungeons like Pharos that should just be ignored if possible for similar issues?
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Mar 18, 2014 17:11
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I have Pharos unlocked but haven't ever ran it. I almost always end up in Haukke Manor HM or Copperbell HM for duty roulette when I actually do it. As long as the group is semi competent, we're running both of those in around 25 minutes or less, so it ain't no thang. I would like to run Pharos once just because I love dungeons.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:12
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Mr. Nice! posted:I would like to run Pharos once just because I love dungeons. This. I'm just going to wait until I no longer wish to run High Level Roulette and then I'll give it a try.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:14
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What's the Linkshell channel for the Goons on Ultros again?
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Mar 18, 2014 17:18
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All this talk of Pharos being so hard that people are actually avoiding unlocking it is making me laugh and my co-workers think I'm weird now.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:20
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I've run Pharos a number of times and I don't think I've ever failed to complete it. Maybe it's happened once. The bosses can be rough and I've wiped to each of them a couple of times (except that third one just before the siren but that doesn't even count) but they're not nearly as impossible as people are making them out to be. I do agree that it's a bit of a slog and not really worth the effort, though.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:21
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It's not hard. It's just artificially made to take way longer than it should because you gotta stop and wait for poo poo to not completely murder you. And that makes it awful 
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Mar 18, 2014 17:25
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People who insist on tanking every single dog and/or stacking together, causing multiple explosions. People running too far up the ruined staircase, triple pulling 2 slime packs and a sprite. People not doing anything to Zu adds - not killing hatching eggs, or the birds. People not killing zombies at all, or interrupting Lunatic Voice. I've seen all of these things happen in a single DF run. I'd be fine going in as a premade (because hey, it's really NOT that hard ) but I'd really rather not run it in DF again, especially when you can just slam down WP in like 10-15 minutes.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:27
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Belzac posted:All this talk of Pharos being so hard that people are actually avoiding unlocking it is making me laugh and my co-workers think I'm weird now. For me, anyway, I'm not waiting to unlock it because I think it is too hard, I'm waiting because it causes enough issues with pubbies I would run into in Duty Roulette that it's not worth my time for quick tomes (which is why I Duty Roulette to begin with). Once they uncap Myth in a few weeks I will probably never run High Level Duty Roulette again, at which time I will unlock PS, and Copperbell/Haukke hard.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:32
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I decided to tank Acheron because nobody else was stepping up. About halfway through phase 1, some rear end in a top hat decides to start waving his epeen around and trying to pull aggro off me. I don't really care one way or another, but fighting over aggro is stupid, so I just let him. He still kept trying so hard to out-aggro me that he failed to even try and run out for ancient flare. Needless to say, Acheron reverted to me in phase 2. I think he deserves some kind of FFXIV Darwin award for his hilariously idiotic suicide. Does anyone else have any good candidates for such an award? Do tell. 
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Mar 18, 2014 17:49
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Celador posted:For me, anyway, I'm not waiting to unlock it because I think it is too hard, I'm waiting because it causes enough issues with pubbies I would run into in Duty Roulette that it's not worth my time for quick tomes (which is why I Duty Roulette to begin with). Once they uncap Myth in a few weeks I will probably never run High Level Duty Roulette again, at which time I will unlock PS, and Copperbell/Haukke hard. Copperbell and Haukke HM are both 20-25 minute runs if you know what you're doing. They can be even faster if everyone is geared. You also get 50 myth from them when finishing. There's no reason to NOT be running those two.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:54
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PS, and Copperbell/Haukke HM are good dungeons and all, but they offer no good rewards for completing them...
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Mar 18, 2014 17:56
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Vadoc posted:What's the Linkshell channel for the Goons on Ultros again? Tentacled something or other. Message Naelyan Kil'emal in-game and i'll hook you up with an invite.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:04
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Copperbell HM and Haukke HM are both fun and aren't bad to grind through. As I said I like Pharos but its welcome really wears thin.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:21
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FaintlyQuaint posted:Oh man, dps having to control their dps output? He has a perfectly salient point about a "hold your DPS" mechanic being particularly detrimental to SMN, since they have no way to snuff out DoTs.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:25
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Mr. Nice! posted:Copperbell and Haukke HM are both 20-25 minute runs if you know what you're doing. They can be even faster if everyone is geared. You also get 50 myth from them when finishing. There's no reason to NOT be running those two. When doing Duty Roulette, you can not guarantee that you will have geared people, or that they will know what they are doing. That's my point. I still see people die to Demon Wall's repel, or other stupid avoidable stuff in easy dungeons. Just because it's easy to you doesn't mean it's easy to everyone.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:29
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seorin posted:Does anyone else have any good candidates for such an award? Do tell. My friend was tanking Titan HM and somehow walked backwards off the stage. He wasn't even dodging anything, just straight up forgot there was a ledge there. 
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Mar 18, 2014 18:32
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Celador posted:When doing Duty Roulette, you can not guarantee that you will have geared people, or that they will know what they are doing. That's my point. There is something screwy with the wall's mechanics. I ran AK for the first time in forever yesterday. I was facing the wall and standing in the center right in front of it on my DRG and got thrown straight sidewise twice. Same happened to our BLM once. We're all well geared, know the dungeon like the back of our hands, and have done it a million times. That wall is just strange sometimes. My favorite wall glitch is when you dodge repel and end up in the wall or behind it.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:35
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Mr. Nice! posted:There is something screwy with the wall's mechanics. I ran AK for the first time in forever yesterday. I was facing the wall and standing in the center right in front of it on my DRG and got thrown straight sidewise twice. Same happened to our BLM once. We're all well geared, know the dungeon like the back of our hands, and have done it a million times. That wall is just strange sometimes. My favorite wall glitch is when you dodge repel and end up in the wall or behind it.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:53
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Kyrosiris posted:He has a perfectly salient point about a "hold your DPS" mechanic being particularly detrimental to SMN, since they have no way to snuff out DoTs. It's really not a complicated fight and people who fail to hold their dps in check are just dumb.
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ilifinicus posted:It's not hard. It's just artificially made to take way longer than it should because you gotta stop and wait for poo poo to not completely murder you. And that makes it awful Just kill the adds as they spawn instead of trying to burn the boss down before the adds kill you? I've never once had an issue with too much dps.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:40
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