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TicalStal posted:Back when I got into magic, this was the ultimate junk rare you could pull I got this pack at my pre-release. Not even kidding. I wanted to cry.
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TicalStal posted:Back when I got into magic, this was the ultimate junk rare you could pull Someone, somewhere, is dancing their victory dance when they finally, finally resolved Moonlace in response to their opponent Gainsaying their Cruel Ultimatum.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:18
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GonSmithe posted:I got this pack at my pre-release. Not even kidding. I wanted to cry. Whatever, man, now tell us how man Errant Ephemerons you opened. (Errant Ephemeron was better than a lot of rares in TSP by far).
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Mar 18, 2014 17:20
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TicalStal posted:Back when I got into magic, this was the ultimate junk rare you could pull See, at least this - like One With Nothing - are super-cheap to cast and are instants. If there is ever a card that makes those cards relevant, they would be viable. Stuff like Firemind's Foresight is just too expensive to ever be useful besides the jankiest EDH deck, and even something like Goblin Game is at least funny. Search the City is absolute garbage.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:31
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bhsman posted:See, at least this - like One With Nothing - are super-cheap to cast and are instants. If there is ever a card that makes those cards relevant, they would be viable. Stuff like Firemind's Foresight is just too expensive to ever be useful besides the jankiest EDH deck, and even something like Goblin Game is at least funny. Firemind's Foresight is played in Omnitell in Legacy.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:45
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What a Judas posted:Firemind's Foresight is played in Omnitell in Legacy. Not really anymore but it used to be yes.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:50
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ChewyLSB posted:Not really anymore but it used to be yes. Okay. It's still far from the junk rare pile, at least compared to actual poo poo rares.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:54
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It pitches to Force, right, that makes it Legacy playable right there.
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Mar 18, 2014 17:56
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Entropic posted:It pitches to Force, right, that makes it Legacy playable right there. It also flips delver.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:02
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Entropic posted:It pitches to Force, right, that makes it Legacy playable right there. So Trait Doctoring still has a chance!
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Mar 18, 2014 18:03
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Most of the parts for Murdergoats should be here Thursday. Then I'll just have to trade for the relatively expensive parts. Wonder if I could get anything extra for my slightly-off-center 4th Ed. Swords to Plowshares. 
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Mar 18, 2014 18:14
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Legacy's a weird format. U - Sorcery - You lose the game. Would probably see some Legacy play.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:18
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redstormpopcorn posted:Most of the parts for Murdergoats should be here Thursday. Then I'll just have to trade for the relatively expensive parts. Wonder if I could get anything extra for my slightly-off-center 4th Ed. Swords to Plowshares. Doubtful. People don't go wild for slightly off center cards. Miscusts are cards that are significantly off, like at an angle or sideways or show one or more cards on them.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:18
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Toshimo posted:Legacy's a weird format. Almost playable in storm. Make it a phyrexian mana
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Mar 18, 2014 18:20
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Toshimo posted:Legacy's a weird format. Hive Mind.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:29
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Toshimo posted:Legacy's a weird format. You can make a pretty janky modern deck with that, hive mind and platnium angel
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Mar 18, 2014 18:37
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redstormpopcorn posted:Most of the parts for Murdergoats should be here Thursday. Then I'll just have to trade for the relatively expensive parts. Wonder if I could get anything extra for my slightly-off-center 4th Ed. Swords to Plowshares. Yessss, more murdergoats players  If you want some filler cards to put in until the purphoros arrives etc, may I suggest ogre battledriver? He is a pretty cool guy who turns all your tokens from molten birth etc into 3/1 haste beaters.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:38
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Toshimo posted:Legacy's a weird format. Swerve.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:39
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The suggested spell doesn't have a target, so Swerve wouldn't work.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:41
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TicalStal posted:You can make a pretty janky modern deck with that, hive mind and platnium angel You don't need Platinum Angel. But, yes, Hive Mind was what I was alluding to.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:44
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Samael posted:Yessss, more murdergoats players Purphoros is actually one of the things I'll have to trade for; until I actually start attending FNM on a regular basis I've limited my singles purchases to a $1-per-card average. I do have a Battledriver though, and I'm pretty sure my friend has another pair I could trade for in the meantime. Young Peezy will get his day in the sun.
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Mar 18, 2014 18:57
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Doesn't target, so is not a legal target for swerve.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:00
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To me the worst junk rare was Grindclock, because MSS was a really fun format but it was full of bombs so while other people are opening Consecrated Sphinx or White Sun's Zenith you got a card that could mill someone out slightly faster than they'd deck themselves naturally. Of course you just picked a Blightwidow anyway but hitting the MBS rare jackpot was always nice and hitting the reverse jackpot was not.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:32
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rabidsquid posted:To me the worst junk rare was Grindclock, because MSS was a really fun format but it was full of bombs so while other people are opening Consecrated Sphinx or White Sun's Zenith you got a card that could mill someone out slightly faster than they'd deck themselves naturally. Apparently you are unclear on how Grindclock and/or Proliferate work.
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Mar 18, 2014 19:35
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Toshimo posted:Apparently you are unclear on how Grindclock and/or Proliferate work. Just did some number crunching because I'm bored at work, with no Proliferating involved, the fastest that Grindclock wins alone on the draw is turn 13, after rolling up to 4 counters on turn 5 and milling every turn afterward. Not knowing the format, being able to guarantee that speed (barring artifact destruction, obviously) and improving it even more if you're able to Proliferate at any point sounds pretty good
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Mar 18, 2014 20:34
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Also, MBS had Shriekhorn at common. There was a mill deck you could draft.
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Mar 18, 2014 20:35
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AegisP posted:So Trait Doctoring still has a chance! Trait Doctoring is, at least, far from the worst rare thanks to Heroic, since it reads: U Sorcery Target target creature. Cipher. If it was instant it might even be strong!
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Mar 18, 2014 20:38
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Death Bot posted:Just did some number crunching because I'm bored at work, with no Proliferating involved, the fastest that Grindclock wins alone on the draw is turn 13, after rolling up to 4 counters on turn 5 and milling every turn afterward. Not knowing the format, being able to guarantee that speed (barring artifact destruction, obviously) and improving it even more if you're able to Proliferate at any point sounds pretty good That sounds like constructed. It's even faster in limited from my memory. Like Sands of Delirium in M13 limited.
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Mar 18, 2014 20:49
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Niton posted:Trait Doctoring is, at least, far from the worst rare thanks to Heroic, since it reads: I think an instant speed Cipher spell would be hard to cost, since you can make it go off twice with ease in the right situation (no instant removal open) Hidden Strings is probably better for a Heroic deck though, since it targets two guys and can help get your Cipher-ed dude through. Still think of trying UB or UW Heroic for that.
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Mar 18, 2014 21:40
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Toshimo posted:That sounds like constructed. It's even faster in limited from my memory. Like Sands of Delirium in M13 limited. I'm using 40 but honestly you might be right, I'm way too tired to be doing math right now
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Mar 18, 2014 21:43
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Trait Doctoring lets you exile Stormbreath Dragon with Chained to the rocks for 2 mana.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:14
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kizudarake posted:Trait Doctoring lets you exile Stormbreath Dragon with Chained to the rocks for 2 mana. Nope. Chained to the Rocks will only be a permanent after its ETB trigger has already triggered, which means it can't target stormbreath dragon. Trait Doctoring can't be cast until after its trigger has already resolved.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:18
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Kabanaw posted:Nope. Chained to the Rocks will only be a permanent after its ETB trigger has already triggered, which means it can't target stormbreath dragon. Trait Doctoring can't be cast until after its trigger has already resolved. You target stormbreath dragon with trait doctoring, replace "white" with something else, then cast chained to the rocks, with can now target the dragon which doesn't have pro-white.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:20
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Death Bot posted:I'm using 40 but honestly you might be right, I'm way too tired to be doing math right now I think it's more like turn 10/11 in limited. T0/1: 33 cards in opponent's library, no Grindclock T2: 32 cards, Grindclock at 1 T3: 31 cards, Grindclock at 2 T4: 30 cards, Grindclock at 3 T5: 29 cards, Grindclock at 4 T6: 24 cards T7: 19 cards T8: 14 cards T9: 9 cards T10: 4 cards Opponent loses on turn 11's draw step. Regardless, I don't think the value of cards like Grindclock are in their potential to race, but in their inevitability. If you pick one early and then draft a deck focused on defense and gumming up the board to make games go longer, that could be a winning strategy in some formats. Never drafted SOM block though so I can't say how relevant it might have been there.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:20
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cheetah7071 posted:You target stormbreath dragon with trait doctoring, replace "white" with something else, then cast chained to the rocks, with can now target the dragon which doesn't have pro-white. Oh, for some reason I was thinking trait doctoring would change colors, I forgot it just changes text.
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Mar 18, 2014 22:22
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Nibble posted:I think it's more like turn 10/11 in limited. SoM could go pretty long if you had a proliferate list with Tumble Magnets / Clasps. Incidentally proliferate also sped up Grindclock significantly. I've had games go long enough to get Venser Emblem (and nearly empty my opponent's board with it, granted, a lot of that was just me messing around at that point), so I don't think killing with Grindclock and Common/Uncommon support cards in U/x proliferate is really hard. Zoness fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Mar 18, 2014 22:24
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Is there a modern proliferate deck at all? I loved that mechanic - and it should work with the ROE levelers too, correct?
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Proliferate seems like it takes much too long to get going. In modern if you're facing something combo-y like living end, through the breach, or something you'd be dead before you have enough power on board.
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Mar 18, 2014 23:17
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Magic Online Announcements March 18, 2014 MOCS promo for April is Force of Will. 
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Yeah, Proliferate is way too durdly for Modern. Assuming that you played something relevant, and put counters on them turns 1 and 2, you'd get to Proliferate twice and then die.
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