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gatz
Oct 19, 2012

Love 'em and leave 'em
Groom 'em and feed 'em
Cid Shinjuku


We've found out that the Ankaran Sarcophagus was stolen from the Museum of Natural History, but we did retrieve a fetish statue from the museum. Pisha will want this, so our first stop is to see her in the basement of the abandoned hospital.



Here's the item from the museum.

Yes. This is genuine, and of use to me. There is something resonating from it... a whisper. I will give you this in trade. It is known as the Odious Chalice - it swells with spilled blood and offers its bloat to its owner.

Looks like a wet, rotting pig's face. Uh, thanks. I'll be back if I find anything else.




This is the Odious Chalice. I don't really see the pig's face part of it, but here's the description:

quote:

The perverse creation of a Tzimisce fleshcrafter, this abomination is forced to live a tortured eternity in servitude to the Damned. As you kill enemies, the Chalice will fill with blood. Use the Chalice to feed from it and gain its stored vitae.

It's very useful, especially since it saves money we'd otherwise be spending on blood packs.

Our next stop is back to the Last Round. I like to visit with the Anarchs before LaCroix, just in case Jack has some insight to share. We're not going to see Nines around, since he's gone into hiding, but we can try to mend our semi-strained relationship with the anarchs.





There's a call of duty pinball machine in the bar. Beats me why. Maybe Jack will know.



How'd you find out?

Kid, you don't live to be old as me without cultivating a few connections, the least of which should be able to penetrate the iron veil of the local natural history museum. :newlol:

I was there to get the sarcophagus.

Seems like he has a lot riding' on that sarcophagus, to get such a fierce bug in that powdered wig of his.


Powdered wig. That sounds like an insult the anti-federalists would have thrown at the federalists. Jack sure is old.

Regarding the sarcophagus, the question is why does LaCroix want it so much?

Why, though? Why does he want it so bad?



What is that?

Well, it's when a vampire drains another more powerful vampire to death. Diablerie is the Sabbat's specialty,
[sic] but it's a big taboo in civilized Kindred circles - and drat sure forbidden by the Camarilla.

Why is it so taboo?

When a younger vampire diablerizes an elder, the younger vampire gains all of their powers.

I see. Wow, you don't think -




If this is true, we really shouldn't be helping LaCroix. If it really does contain an antidelivian, I consulted with Vic (who has my eternal thanks for helping with the lore side of the LP) and here's what we know:
  • If the Camarilla finds out, there'd be a blood hunt called on LaCroix. Even if they didn't acknowledge the dead vampire as an antediluvian, they'd still condemn LaCroix for committing the Amaranth." We might also be punished. LaCroix probably has enough of pull to implicate Melissa, regardless of what we say. The word of the Anarchs, our only ostensible allies, is probably not worth all that much in the eyes of the Camarilla. Strauss isn't of any help. Mercurio would side with his supplier, which means we can't count on his word.
  • It is possible for LaCroix to diablerize it by himself, but that's a LOT of blood points to suck down, even after you max out all the physical stats. There'd be a lot of waste. He also might enlist the help of his sheriff, or even Melissa, but who gets the benefits is dependent upon who gets "the soul", which is the certain "something at the end of the all the blood that takes more effort to draw out, but it is POTENT. That's what gives you knowledge, power and, sometimes, a piece of your victim's mind.
  • Diablerie, thus, can actually backfire, with the diablerizer's body being taken over by the diablerized. In theory, the soul can be split equally among the attackers for less power each, but then it's harder for the diablerized to exert any control. Given we're talking about LaCroix, he might try to attack us during the act, gaining our help up until it becomes inconvenient for him, in case the soul is split. He also might try to eliminate us after the act is done, to keep us quiet. But there is another problem.
  • Diablerizing leaves a mark on a vampire's "aura", which can be seen using a certain discipline. Only the vampire(s) which receive the soul gain the mark. It's unlikely that LaCroix would be able to hide it without some fancy obfuscation or ritual or something. The Camarilla would likely find him out eventually because of this.
  • Diablerie of antidelivians has been attempted in the past, so the story goes, and some attempts have actually succeeded. [Brujah] being diablerized by Troile is an example of this. Whether or not it would work for LaCroix is a different story.
  • In Redemption, it was possible for Christof Romuald to diablerize a powerful Setite, gaining new powers and lowering his generation. Who cares, though, because Christof Romuald sucks. You could also tell that Pink was a diablerizer by looking at his aura.

Tehan also has some good points related to this:

Tehan posted:

As for Diablerie, the thing about it is the aura stain wears off. Generation is a huge loving deal to vampires - it dictates how far they can improve their disciplines, how much stronger they can make themselves using blood, how many blood points they can hold, how powerful their childer and ghouls are, and so on. In addition by diablerizing someone they can gain access to their skills, memories, and above all their disciplines. No matter how much political power Lacroix gains, he'll always just be whatever generation he currently is - considering he's 'only' a couple centuries old if his yarn about working for Napoleon was true, he's probably of high generation, and even if he is of a relatively low generation his relative youth would lead him weaker than those the same generation as him. And vampire life means there's always the chance that in the end it'll come up to you and whatever upstart is after your poo poo duking it out mano y mano.

So if the prince's ploy pays off and he ends up drinking the soul of some Methuselah or even Antediluvian, all he has to do is lay low until the streaky aura wears off and then make a triumphant return after making up some cock-and-bull story about being beaten into torpor by the Anarchs or Sabbat or whatever. At that point the only thing that could reveal him is a specific difficult ritual the Tremere can do that requires access to Lacroix' blood, and the thing about the Tremere is when they say "you'll just have to trust us on this" absolutely nobody does.

As for ganging up on him, he'll have to try to eat the dude solo, even if he gets help beating the intended victim into submission first. There is a rite that can allow for gang-diablerie, but it's so secret that it's explicitly said there's maybe one copy of it outside of Tremere vaults (and it was absolutely only added to the game to allow for the release of a series of diablerie-focused dungeon crawl splatbooks, with elder vampires instead of treasure at the end).


The fact is that there's way too much downside to this if it really is true.

What should I do? He wants me to bring it to him.

You gotta figure a drop of ancient blood would make any Kindred just about invulnerable. Anyone who has the sarcophagus is gonna be thinking the same thing. If LaCroix gets the sarcophagus, at least we know where it is.


But, the game showing that it really is a video game, we're forced to continue along its path. In a genuine tabletop game of Vampire, we'd have a choice of what to do. Not here.

Yeah, I guess.



That's assuming that it can't be easily opened, which could only be known by actually trying to open it. Besides, it already looked like it was opened.

I'm outta here.

There's nothing left to say. Skelter and Damsel don't have anything to say either, so it's time to hit the Venture Tower.



Oh, Chunk. Your incompetence is adorable.

LaCroix's expecting me.

Uh say, fruit pie... if you're still up and about in a few hours, eh, why don't you stop by at the end of my shift and I'll... treat you to breakfast, uh? Endless stack of flapjacks...? little boysenberry syrup...? your security teddy bear...?

I'd love to, but I've got business to attend to, sorry. See you later.


That sounds like a wonderful offer, Chunk, but we have bad news to deliver.



Is LaCroix looking out the window, scheming about all the bad things he's going to do once he's diablerized the antideluvian?



By "leadership", he really means making decisions for others. In other words, he's not talking about leadership at all.



Yeah yeah, you're the best, LaCroix.

[Persuade] You're respected by everyone in this city for your leadership.

I've had my fill of sycophants. I need adjutants I can trust.


For what, I wonder?

Everyone respects you. Now what's this all about?



At least I can rest easy in knowing that you, my most promising attendant, has relieved me of one encumbrance tonight. Do you need assistance bringing the sarcophagus up to my office?


He's really not going to be happy to hear this.

About the sarcophagus... it appears to have been stolen.

Stolen?!?

I -



Gary?

The Nosferatu primogen. The Nosferatu were responsible for finding out where the sarcophagus was taken after the Dane, and for getting keys to the museum. They were the only ones who knew! It's obvious to me now, my mistake.

The Nos -

I want him found! I want him... found. The sarcophagus could be... exploited... causing who knows what catastrophe to this city. If it were to fall into the wrong hands...


"Killed" was on the tip of LaCroix's tongue, there, but he knows that the Nosferatu are too valuable as allies for that.

tlarn posted:

The Nosfertu primogen, representative of all Nosferatu within the area, who are masters of stealth and information-gathering and reviled for how they look, who is now suspected of taking the Ancaran Sarcophagus, is named Gary.

Gaaaaryyyyy! :argh:

It's a livin'! :drac:

Of course, it's going to be our job to find him.

I'll find Gary and the sarcophagus.

*sighs* The Nosferatu lurk in the filth below the streets of Hollywood, but not even I know just where they hide. Hollywood is, unfortunately lacking in any Camarilla loyalties.



"More Civil" I'm sure translates into "more like the Camarilla".

Find Gary and get him to talk. That sarcophagus could be used against us. Do not come back until you have it. Now, I must announce the blood hunt - and bear the brunt of all consequences. [To sheriff]Escort her out.

...

Do not come back until you have it. Now, I must announce the blood hunt - and bear the brunt of all consequences. Escort her out.

...




Nines better have a drat good hiding place, if he really was set up.

We can try to get back up...



[Persuade] It's of critical importance that I bring this matter to his attention personally.

Mr. LaCroix was real specific. Maybe if you come back later he'll have calmed down. He seems to be all tore up about that sarcophagus that got stolen from the museum. Hmm, must be a real history lover.


...But that does no good.

Alright. See you Chunk.

Before we head out to Hollywood to become star struck, we're going to go back to our apartment. And there we find something interesting waiting for us...



You did what?!? Where is he?

Um... in the bathroom. I, uh... I locked - I locked him in. Did I mess up?


You sure did, Heather, but we can only try to fix it now.

I'll deal with this. You stay here.

We're going to check our email first. We have two new emails, one from a friend:



and one giving us a new quest:

quote:

<Subject> Business in Hollywood
<From> LaCroix

I have a certain financial interest in a restaurant in Hollywood called the Cavoletti Cafe. I have made an offer on the establishment that is more than generous, but it seems that the owners are remiss to accept. It is my understanding that a renowned food critic named Tommy Flayton will be writing an article about the restaurant very soon. Please intercept him there and make sure the review is unfaborable. - SL


LaCroix calmed down enough to send us that email. He's asked for our help multiple times, but this sounds like it could be fun.

Now, on to more pressing matters.



We find red jacket blue jeans in the bathroom, just as Heather said. Two things are wrong here: 1. How would he be locked in the bathroom? 2. Those clothes aren't really fit for a night out on the town.



There are 3 ways in which we can deal with this. I'm going to let the thread decide McFly's fate. McFly is the name given to him in the dialogue files.

1. Persuade him into leaving
2. Dominate him into leaving, also erasing his memory
3. Kill him

The first doesn't guarantee that he won't speak out, and who knows how much Heather has told him. The second costs us blood points. The third costs us humanity. Vote! Vote! Vote!

gatz fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 19, 2014

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LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
Dominate McFly into thinking he's a chicken.

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

Dominate Marty

Hollywood coming up has a really sweet soundtrack, although the locales for the area have it's, uh, ups and downs so to speak.

Pidmon
Mar 18, 2009

NO ONE risks painful injury on your GREEN SLIME GHOST POGO RIDE.

No one but YOU.
Dominate the wanker and erase the part of his brain where he thought it was cool to harass uninterested women!

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


gatz posted:

1. Persuade him into leaving
2. Dominate him into leaving, also erasing his memory
3. Kill him

The first doesn't guarantee that he won't speak out, and who knows how much Heather has told him. The second costs us blood points. The third costs us humanity. Vote! Vote! Vote!

The obviously best option in game terms is to kill him. I'm not sure if persuading him has any repercussions, but Humanity is so ridiculously easy to gain in this game that you really don't have to worry about losing it. That said, Dominate is more fun.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

gatz posted:

Somebody please answer this question. I don't want it to get lost with the coming of a new update.

It's...complicated.
Dracula is--sit down for this--actually a vampire. I know, total shocker. He's a Tzimisce, but of the Old Clan variety--not a fleshcrafter but rather an eastern european noble, and furthermore he mostly does his own thing apart from the main sects.
The story goes that his father--Vlad Dracul--was a transylvanian ruler, who fended off turks and killed Tzimisce vampires on the side. This earned him no friends, and between the mortal and immortal enemies they cornered and killed him.
Dracula (son of Dracul) was sent away and educated and trained to seize back his father's lands. He was also mentored by Durga Syn, a Ravnos elder who was friends with his father. Insert a long bloody series of campaigns here...at first he tried to stay away from the Tzimisce, but then he ghouled himself and his personal guard to enhance their fighting prowess. Ultimately he captured a Tzimisce elder and--under pain of being staked, drained, and sealed away--forced the elder to Embrace him. He then diablerized his sire.
He then ruled for a time, but he was gaining enemies faster than he could shake them. He managed to feed Stoker the story of his life and the released story was a powerful tale, which had the benefit of throwing off his pursuers. "I'm seeking Vlad Dracula" going from a useful query to one that would get you mocked.
The story had the knock-on effect of giving vampires deniability due to the cultural references. Once this was realized, any panic felt by the camarilla was abated by the ironclad bolstering of the masquerade.
So now Dracula is in a curious position of having a lot of notoriety in kindred circles, which at the same time still flying well outside them. He was reported as either seeking/attaining Golconda, joining the Inconnu, or planning a new conquest--of the Antediluvians themselves.

Tehan
Jan 19, 2011
Not sure about the book, but Dracula (Vlad Tepes III) was a loving bad-rear end who, as a mortal, manipulated the three-way war between the first Anarch revolt, the Camarilla, and the Sabbat to bootstrap himself into a an incredibly low-generation vampire, beholden to nobody.

Dramatis Personae: Tabak, 4th-generation Tzimisce sired by Tzimisce himself. Lambach, Tzimisce of unknown generation (4th, 5th, 6th or 7th depending which novel or splatbook you believe :whitewolf:). Lugoj, head of the local Anarchs and diablerist of Tzimisce, and his miscellaneous goons.

Lugoj's forces attacked Tabak's domain, killing all his underlings except for Lambach, who was captured and tortured. Lambach ended up in the mortal Dracula's hands, who ended up feeding off him regularly for strength and longevity. Tabak found out about this, gathered together a goon squad and was on his way to wreck Dracula's poo poo when a gang of Camarilla Justicars, tipped off by Dracula, ambushed them and killed all Tabak's goons and drove Tabak into torpor, only to be ambushed in turn by Dracula and his men, who wiped them out. Dracula then forced Lambach to embrace him, then diablerized Tabak :master:

He's still kicking in modern times, considering his apperance in the foreword of the second edition rulebook, so if Bram Stoker was trying to gently caress over Dracula by releasing the book, he apparently failed.

PS: Lugoj was actually Tzimisce who stole Lugoj's identity and tricked everyone into thinking he diablerized himself.

As for Diablerie, the thing about it is the aura stain wears off. Generation is a huge loving deal to vampires - it dictates how far they can improve their disciplines, how much stronger they can make themselves using blood, how many blood points they can hold, how powerful their childer and ghouls are, and so on. In addition by diablerizing someone they can gain access to their skills, memories, and above all their disciplines. No matter how much political power Lacroix gains, he'll always just be whatever generation he currently is - considering he's 'only' a couple centuries old if his yarn about working for Napoleon was true, he's probably of high generation, and even if he is of a relatively low generation his relative youth would lead him weaker than those the same generation as him. And vampire life means there's always the chance that in the end it'll come up to you and whatever upstart is after your poo poo duking it out mano y mano.

So if the prince's ploy pays off and he ends up drinking the soul of some Methuselah or even Antediluvian, all he has to do is lay low until the streaky aura wears off and then make a triumphant return after making up some cock-and-bull story about being beaten into torpor by the Anarchs or Sabbat or whatever. At that point the only thing that could reveal him is a specific difficult ritual the Tremere can do that requires access to Lacroix' blood, and the thing about the Tremere is when they say "you'll just have to trust us on this" absolutely nobody does.

As for ganging up on him, he'll have to try to eat the dude solo, even if he gets help beating the intended victim into submission first. There is a rite that can allow for gang-diablerie, but it's so secret that it's explicitly said there's maybe one copy of it outside of Tremere vaults (and it was absolutely only added to the game to allow for the release of a series of diablerie-focused dungeon crawl splatbooks, with elder vampires instead of treasure at the end).

Tehan fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Mar 19, 2014

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Zeroisanumber posted:

That's one that I honestly don't know. White Wolf came out with Victorian Age Vampire, but IIRC it bombed.
Which is unfortunate, because it was such a fantastic idea, and the sourcebooks were pretty good too.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Dominate the puny human mind.

ZypherIM
Nov 8, 2010

"I want to see what she's in love with."

So helpful note to anyone wanting to go and play this game again (or for the first time!): don't skip the tutorial. Instead of giving you stuff like, say, the lockpicks that you find right away, it sends you in exactly as you are when you talk to Jack.

That said, enjoying this excellent LP!

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

ZypherIM posted:

So helpful note to anyone wanting to go and play this game again (or for the first time!): don't skip the tutorial. Instead of giving you stuff like, say, the lockpicks that you find right away, it sends you in exactly as you are when you talk to Jack.

That said, enjoying this excellent LP!

You told Jack you didn't want his help, are you really surprised he took you at your word?

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Tehan posted:

As for ganging up on him, he'll have to try to eat the dude solo, even if he gets help beating the intended victim into submission first. There is a rite that can allow for gang-diablerie, but it's so secret that it's explicitly said there's maybe one copy of it outside of Tremere vaults (and it was absolutely only added to the game to allow for the release of a series of diablerie-focused dungeon crawl splatbooks, with elder vampires instead of treasure at the end).

Is that rite the one the Tremere clan used to self-embrace?
If so, it has to exist by definition, it still exist because there's no way a mage will ever destroy a ritual, it has to be well-guarded because they're not stupid.

Dominate the guy, maybe after a quick snack, explain to Heather that you don't need help hunting.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Can we ask LaCroix for some sort of pamphlet or something? "So you're a ghoul now" or whatever? I think it would help alleviate this awkward adjustment period.

insanityv2
May 15, 2011

I'm gay

gatz posted:

Uh say, fruit pie... if you're still up and about in a few hours, eh, why don't you stop by at the end of my shift and I'll... treat you to breakfast, uh? Endless stack of flapjacks...? little boysenberry syrup...? your security teddy bear...?


Is this more :wesp:? I don't remember Chunk ever hitting on me on any of my female playthroughs.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

insanityv2 posted:

Is this more :wesp:? I don't remember Chunk ever hitting on me on any of my female playthroughs.

It might be because Melissa seduced Chunk back when he was guarding the gallery back in Santa Monica, so he'd obviously be thinking she's got a thing for him.

Tehan
Jan 19, 2011

Omobono posted:

Is that rite the one the Tremere clan used to self-embrace?
If so, it has to exist by definition, it still exist because there's no way a mage will ever destroy a ritual, it has to be well-guarded because they're not stupid.

It's the 'Ritual of the Bitter Rose', which was apparently discovered in the Renaissance, but it may have been a rediscovery or reinvention of how Tremere and his cronies ate Saulot. When rumours leaked out about it the Tremere claimed to have destroyed all their copies, but if you believe that I've got a bridge in Santa Monica to sell you.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

citybeatnik posted:

If I recall correctly, didn't Stoker basically blow up Kindred society by accident when he published that book?

You're probably thinking of the Dresden Files, not either World of Darkness. There are three types of vampire in that setting, only one of which, the Black Court, abides by traditional vampire stuff (the others draw from Mayan mythology and succubi). It's noted that the Black Court were very powerful and widespread until all the ordinary humans read a book or two and learned how to kill them.

spooky attic
Jun 17, 2009

Ineffective at haunting cartridges.
Dominate the random jerk.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


gatz posted:

Somebody please answer this question. I don't want it to get lost with the coming of a new update.

He almost did but like OAquinas said, when the dust settled the Camarilla and everyone else realized it contained enough truth presented as fiction that people would assume anyone talking about these matters just got ideas from that one book by that one guy.

tlarn
Mar 1, 2013

You see,
God doesn't help little frogs.

He helps people like me.
The Nosfertu primogen, representative of all Nosferatu within the area, who are masters of stealth and information-gathering and reviled for how they look, who is now suspected of taking the Ancaran Sarcophagus, is named Gary.

Gaaaaryyyyy! :argh:

It's a livin'! :drac:

Also LaCroix's new dramatic lighting fixture is great.

I'm surprised that Jack would drop a bombshell like diablerie on a fresh vampire. I thought that's something you'd try to keep hush-hush or at least really downplayed so as not to plant the idea in this newbie, especially a newbie he helped out, that she can drain other vamps to become the alpha vamp.

All that said, Dominate the dude, no-one messes with our buddy.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

tlarn posted:

The Nosfertu primogen, representative of all Nosferatu within the area, who are masters of stealth and information-gathering and reviled for how they look, who is now suspected of taking the Ancaran Sarcophagus, is named Gary.

Gaaaaryyyyy! :argh:

It's a livin'! :drac:

Wait until you hear his full name. :allears:

tlarn posted:

I'm surprised that Jack would drop a bombshell like diablerie on a fresh vampire. I thought that's something you'd try to keep hush-hush or at least really downplayed so as not to plant the idea in this newbie, especially a newbie he helped out, that she can drain other vamps to become the alpha vamp.

Jack likes to stir poo poo up.

Cool Chulainn
Sep 5, 2011

Who's up for a game of Swords & Speedballs?
Dominate! Dominate!

gatz
Oct 19, 2012

Love 'em and leave 'em
Groom 'em and feed 'em
Cid Shinjuku

tlarn posted:

The Nosfertu primogen, representative of all Nosferatu within the area, who are masters of stealth and information-gathering and reviled for how they look, who is now suspected of taking the Ancaran Sarcophagus, is named Gary.

Gaaaaryyyyy! :argh:

It's a livin'! :drac:

Heh, that's pretty great. I'm gonna add that to the last update for fun.

TheMcD posted:

It might be because Melissa seduced Chunk back when he was guarding the gallery back in Santa Monica, so he'd obviously be thinking she's got a thing for him.

Yep, that's it. He's already invited Melissa for donuts or whatever it was, too. I'd hate to see what a :wesp: encounter with Chunk would look like.


Thanks, Tehan. I'll modify what I wrote to take your points into account. E: I'll just quote you directly instead.

Also thanks to everyone who gave citybeatnik's question an answer.

gatz fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Mar 19, 2014

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

tlarn posted:

I'm surprised that Jack would drop a bombshell like diablerie on a fresh vampire. I thought that's something you'd try to keep hush-hush or at least really downplayed so as not to plant the idea in this newbie, especially a newbie he helped out, that she can drain other vamps to become the alpha vamp.

Well, to be fair it's still exceedingly hard to do, dangerous (you have to overpower the by-definition more powerful vampire), and he also mentioned it was taboo and forbidden. Considering the other vampire law that your character has had a brush with--siring without permission--had a "hunt you down and behead you" penalty, its probably a safe bet that any sane character might avoid draining other vamps left and right. (not to mention that diablerie carries an automatic unavoidable 1 dot loss of humanity, with the possibility of losing another one--its the fast track to the Beast)

Plus yeah, Jack likes to stir poo poo.

edit: Re clashing jacket guy,

"Don't argue with him, don't reason with him, just dominate him!"

OAquinas fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Mar 19, 2014

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
I'm not sure whether or not it would be an option in the tabletop game, but it seems like the best option might be to murder him in front of Heather while explaining "I have ways to avoid needing to do this when I hunt for myself, but you've put me in an untenable position here", then make her clean up the mess.

She's still hooked on your blood and doesn't know that much about vamps, so she'll still be loyal to us, but we can't have this happening again.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Glazius posted:

Can we ask LaCroix for some sort of pamphlet or something? "So you're a ghoul now" or whatever? I think it would help alleviate this awkward adjustment period.

BTW, how's ghouling treated with respect to permissions etc.? Can we do it just like that? We know embracing without permission can get you staked&tanned, but I'd assume that a new childe wouldn't be allowed to just ghoul someone like that, with poor education leading to possible Masquerade violations and all? Or is it done on a "don't ask, don't tell, it's your head if you/they gently caress up" basis?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Pierzak posted:

BTW, how's ghouling treated with respect to permissions etc.? Can we do it just like that? We know embracing without permission can get you staked&tanned, but I'd assume that a new childe wouldn't be allowed to just ghoul someone like that, with poor education leading to possible Masquerade violations and all? Or is it done on a "don't ask, don't tell, it's your head if you/they gently caress up" basis?

Generally, permission to ghoul someone isn't necessary, you're just expected to make sure that they stay under control and it's your rear end if they gently caress up.

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011

Pierzak posted:

BTW, how's ghouling treated with respect to permissions etc.? Can we do it just like that? We know embracing without permission can get you staked&tanned, but I'd assume that a new childe wouldn't be allowed to just ghoul someone like that, with poor education leading to possible Masquerade violations and all? Or is it done on a "don't ask, don't tell, it's your head if you/they gently caress up" basis?

It varies. In some areas, the Prince is a jerk and considers ghouling a lesser aspect of Creation and demands everyone seek permission. Usually this is not a popular measure. In some clans, like the Tremere or Ventrue, similar authoritarian principles guide a policy of seeking approval from higher-ranking members before making Ghouls. Then of course a childe's Sire can be all controlling about it, since they are considered legally responsible for their childe and any ghoul they make.

There is generally a 'if a ghoul fucks up the Masquerade its on you' philosophy, and this extends also to childer and mortal servitors, mostly because the leadership of the Camarilla is steeped in medieval cultural mores about responsibility that hold a lord/Sire/boss directly responsible for the actions of their servants/ghouls/kids.

NullBlack
Oct 29, 2011

I'm as confused as you are.

Cythereal posted:

You're probably thinking of the Dresden Files, not either World of Darkness. There are three types of vampire in that setting, only one of which, the Black Court, abides by traditional vampire stuff (the others draw from Mayan mythology and succubi). It's noted that the Black Court were very powerful and widespread until all the ordinary humans read a book or two and learned how to kill them.

Actually, at least four types. Black (Bram Stoker vampires), Red (Mayan bat monsters), White (Twilight sex-god vampires but awesome instead of mopey), and Jade (only mentioned, haven't shown up in the books; all that Dresden (and the readers) know is they're Asian).

But yeah, Dresden Files' Bram Stoker's Dracula was written to be a how-to guide to killing Black Court vampires, and was an almost total success.

Dominate him. It's not like blood points are hard to come by, are they? Killing him would be cruel to Heather, I think.

gatz
Oct 19, 2012

Love 'em and leave 'em
Groom 'em and feed 'em
Cid Shinjuku
Starting with the next update, the game's brightness setting will be increased. I'm not sure why, but the screenshots look dark as gently caress when I tried viewing them on my phone. I don't think they're so bad on a computer monitor, but I've gotten a couple of complaints.

Ghostwoods
May 9, 2013

Say "Cheese!"
Can't we all just agree to get alonkill McFly? Look at that shirt he's wearing. Death's too good for him, frankly. Plus Heather will be all touched that we liked her present. It's no different to the cat bringing a mutilated mouse in to lay next to you on your pillow for when you wake up in the morning. Sweet, really.

Anyway. DEATH! That's what I'm saying.

AnAnonymousIdiot
Sep 14, 2013

I'm thinking we've already met Gary back when the Primogen paid their visit to LaCroix, or at least have an idea what he looks like.

On another note, we need to Dominate this mortal. Otherwise we risk a Masquerade violation.

AnAnonymousIdiot fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Mar 19, 2014

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.
Kill it.

Kanthulhu
Apr 8, 2009
NO ONE SPOIL GAME OF THRONES FOR ME!

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME THAT OBERYN MARTELL AND THE MOUNTAIN DIE THIS SEASON, I'M GOING TO BE PISSED.

BUT NOT HALF AS PISSED AS I'D BE IF SOMEONE WERE TO SPOIL VARYS KILLING A LANISTER!!!


(Dany shits in a field)
Dominate.

Spending Blood Points may seem like a waste but it's very easy to refill your blood bar in this game.

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


Dominate. Corpses are messy.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Dominate McFly

If you can't buy his silence, erase his memory and tell him to get out. Ventrue way.

tlarn
Mar 1, 2013

You see,
God doesn't help little frogs.

He helps people like me.
You know, I wonder why ghouling the newcomer isn't an option. I'm sure it would be if this were tabletop Vampire, or it would at least be open to discussion. Heather would have automatic seniority in the entourage pecking order and vitae first-dibs! Though I'll bet it becomes exponentially more difficult to keep them from breaking the Masquerade as you add more ghouls to your group. More mouths to feed vitae to, as well, but it could be a temporary addition to the group.

Do ghouls pick up clan quirks as they have vitae in their system on a regular basis? I remember it being mentioned in the thread that ghouls can use their banked vitae to heal themselves, but I don't remember if they pick up any other abilities or the clan flavor and behavior.

What I'm asking is if Heather has any extra lines for each playable clan.

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


tlarn posted:

You know, I wonder why ghouling the newcomer isn't an option. I'm sure it would be if this were tabletop Vampire, or it would at least be open to discussion. Heather would have automatic seniority in the entourage pecking order and vitae first-dibs! Though I'll bet it becomes exponentially more difficult to keep them from breaking the Masquerade as you add more ghouls to your group. More mouths to feed vitae to, as well, but it could be a temporary addition to the group.

Do ghouls pick up clan quirks as they have vitae in their system on a regular basis? I remember it being mentioned in the thread that ghouls can use their banked vitae to heal themselves, but I don't remember if they pick up any other abilities or the clan flavor and behavior.

What I'm asking is if Heather has any extra lines for each playable clan.

Ghouls get a free dot in Potence, and can learn other disciplines at a massively inflated XP cost. They also pick up clan quirks over time, but these are muted. For example, a nos ghoul will get ugly in one way or another, but they won't be deformed nearly as much as an actual Nosferatu.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Kill it. Although I cannot tell you how disappointed I am that we can't give him to Pisha.

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GrimRevenant
Mar 28, 2011

Je Reviendrai.
Oh hey, she brought us dinner! It would be churlish to refuse… :drac:

If we can Dominate, then feed, do that; otherwise, just kill it.

tlarn posted:

Do ghouls pick up clan quirks as they have vitae in their system on a regular basis? I remember it being mentioned in the thread that ghouls can use their banked vitae to heal themselves, but I don't remember if they pick up any other abilities or the clan flavor and behavior.

What I'm asking is if Heather has any extra lines for each playable clan.
They do indeed! There’s an extensive list of different clan-based quirks ghouls can pick up depending what vitae they have been feeding from, and apparently “independent” ghouls (ghouls who take or trade for vitae rather than being beholden to a domitor) trade all sorts of tips on how to minimise or make the most of these.

Heather’s only observable difference is as the ghoul of a Malkavian player character, and hoo boy is it noticable! :j:

GrimRevenant fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Mar 20, 2014

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