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To be fair, the entire concept of the NCR is based on expansionist ideals that assume that all territory is just NCR territory that doesn't realize it yet. The natives get no say. They're either slaughtered en masse (like what happened to the Khans) or are subjugated. Your currency systems? Gone, replaced with fiat NCR currency that is half the going rate of every other major currency etc. House has a legitimate grievance in that the territory he helped to build up is being co-opted or even downright stolen by the NCR. Any aggression from House is totally legitimate. The NCR are blatant hypocrites and have strayed so far from their ideals it's unbelievable. They're apparently against the idea of frontier justice, but only other people's frontier justice. Meyers is convicted for "taking the law into his own hands", when not several miles away you've got the NCR handing out bounties to whoever can kill a particular problem raider. No attempt to bring to justice, no fair trial (heh, a democracy) just a straight up execution sold to the lowest bidder. As for their being no racism/sexism, there is blatant discrimination all over. Virtually every single ghoul in the NCR is shipped to one little Ranger Station in the rear end-end of nowhere out of sight and out of mind. Separate but equal, I guess. The NCR are completely shrouded under their flag of democracy when the very core of the system is as bad as anything else out there.
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Ddraig posted:The NCR are blatant hypocrites and have strayed so far from their ideals it's unbelievable. They're apparently against the idea of frontier justice, but only other people's frontier justice. Meyers is convicted for "taking the law into his own hands", when not several miles away you've got the NCR handing out bounties to whoever can kill a particular problem raider. No attempt to bring to justice, no fair trial (heh, a democracy) just a straight up execution sold to the lowest bidder. Let's not forget Captain Parker, who murders Keith for the crime of making personal insults while being arrested, and whose justifications for it are "I warned him not to push my buttons" and "nobody will miss him anyway".
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2house2fly posted:Let's not forget Captain Parker, who murders Keith for the crime of making personal insults while being arrested, and whose justifications for it are "I warned him not to push my buttons" and "nobody will miss him anyway". Ok yeah I need to ask, is there any way to follow up on this?? In a game where I've snitched on a lot of jerks, it seems weird that I can't report a guy for straight-up murder. I guess I'm supposed to dispense justice Hammurabi style?
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Report to who? It's not as if the NCR actually gives a gently caress. You've straight up got people being assaulted, severely beaten and nearly killed within Freeside. Nobody ever gets disciplined for that. You can even be contracted by the NCR as an "outsider" to severely beat a prisoner of war to get information out of him by a senior ranking member of the military in the most heavily fortified NCR outpost in the area. You can of course be more noble than that, but even if you do go through with it and beat him half to death you'll get rewarded for it. I guess if a rich Brahmin Baron gets whacked or has a grievance then they'll move heaven and earth to make sure culpable parties are reprimanded but everyone else is pretty much hosed.
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I think some of you guys are highly exaggerating the flaws of the NCR, or at the very least are ignoring similar flaws in the other factions. I mean, this:Ddraig posted:Report to who? It's not as if the NCR actually gives a gently caress. Is a bit ridiculous. Take Freeside, for example-in the quest you mentioned, the NCR is actively attempting to provide food relief to the NCR squatters, and expands it into a full-on relief effort if you can get the King to get Pacer to stop the attacks. And in the case of Silus, it is explicitly stated that the NCR gives a gently caress, and has rules and regulations about the treatment of prisoners (Which Boyd wants to use you to get around, but that's a case of the person being terrible as opposed to the system being terrible.) Now, the rich and powerful may have an inordinate influence on the political system, but that's a complaint of every democracy that's ever existed. It's a problem that's manageable with time and regulation, as opposed to setting up an immortal tyrant answerable only to himself (And who wipes out dissenters for the crime of collaborating with an organization he had a treaty with for the purpose of distributing food to the poor.) As to New Vegas itself, SpookyLizard posted:Yes, but the NCR is wholly scared of an Independant Vegas. Nobody knows about the loving army under the Hill except House AND the Courier, and House basically only has enough Securitrons to police the strip, though he does have another half dozen guarding him, and a couple floating around the Lucky-38. Which he presumably keeps inside between not showing his hand, and protecting himself, and having reserve troops if one of his securitrons needs to be taken off of the strip for repairs. While they're gently caress off difficult robots to kill, they're not something that's in any position to conquer another city or cause any difficulty other than not letting the NCR run Vegas. Which they've already agreed they're not going to do. The NCR's afraid of an independent Vegas because it compromises their ability to hold the Hoover Dam. Let's keep in mind two things: -The Hoover Dam is, quite possibly, the most valuable resource in the entire wasteland. In a world that's characterized by extreme scarcity, the Hoover Dam is a huge source of both power and fresh water, and its power generation capabilities is going to dwarf anything else that the NCR has available. Remember, most NCR officials couldn't give less of a poo poo about New Vegas itself, and even consider it a net drain on the NCR as a whole. However... -The geographic position of New Vegas is such that the NCR can't just ignore it. Whoever controls New Vegas controls the vast majority of the area leading to and from the Dam, and in the case of House the NCR is forced to deal with a personality that is, in fact, actively scheming against them. So yes, they're scared of an independent Vegas and want to annex it, but only because it poses a direct threat to their control of the Hoover Dam, which itself is justified in-game in both of the endings that result in an Independent Vegas. tl;dr, House is a leech, Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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If you're not pro-NCR you're pro-technocratic fascism or pro literal fascism. Capitalist democracy is a lovely system without a doubt, but in a broken world like Fallout's the NCR is the only state with any possible future worth fighting for. Seriously though, if you think the best future of the Mojave is led by a decrepit dictator, barely alive and demanding of utter obedience, I don't know what to tell you. The NCR is the only functioning open society, and even if House were a person with good intentions, it's like building a house of cards - you're relying on someone on life support. A single accident could destroy House whereas the NCR has a modicum of stability and redundancy.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:-The Hoover Dam is, quite possibly, the most valuable resource in the entire wasteland. In a world that's characterized by extreme scarcity, the Hoover Dam is a huge source of both power and fresh water, and its power generation capabilities is going to dwarf anything else that the NCR has available. Remember, most NCR officials couldn't give less of a poo poo about New Vegas itself, and even consider it a net drain on the NCR as a whole. However... And it was built, by the way, but the federal government of a liberal democratic republic  Hoover Dam was conceived and built to be a massive regional resource for water and electricity, and as long as it's still functioning, it will remain a massive regional resource. Anyone living within its power grid cannot ignore its existence. Its importance today, in an America relatively abundant with clean water and electricity, the Dam's influence is too big for any municipal, local, or even state government to handle. It's a federal project because it encompasses a federal scope. In the past I was more sympathetic to an independent New Vegas, but now I think there's too many things with too far-ranging effects for decentralization to be feasible or even desirable. New Vegas is within travelling distance of a semi-operating weapons research lab, some unlaunched nuclear missiles, and the Toxic Death Cloud Hotel & Casino. If ever there was a need for an area to have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, it's the Mojave wasteland. THS posted:Seriously though, if you think the best future of the Mojave is led by a decrepit dictator, barely alive and demanding of utter obedience, I don't know what to tell you. The NCR is the only functioning open society, and even if House were a person with good intentions, it's like building a house of cards - you're relying on someone on life support. A single accident could destroy House whereas the NCR has a modicum of stability and redundancy. This country won't elect a president over 86 years old, and that cyber-mummy seriously wants us to cast our lots with his sarcophagus'd rear end? Well maybe if he weren't so smug about it. He's no Mandela, Mr. House. Zoinker posted:We're not working with a contingency at all! If you bother to actually read the obituary, the gist of it is basically "Welp, I'm dead! y'all are hosed." He literally did not believe human civilization would survive without him to lead it, so why plan around his own death? At least he ordered his securitrons to distribute that nice obituary instead of ordering them to shoot everyone out of spite or as some kind of deadman's switch. That shows some decorum and decency. He's not a Legion, after all. Caufman fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Caufman posted:I understand his motivations as an act of self-preservation. Unfortunately, I'm still inclined to believe his removal from power (even by assassination) and replacement with a republican state under a federal union is better for the collective security of the region. His setup is very top-heavy and technologically-dependent, and while it did repel nukes, within the first generation of contacting the outside world, a punk hood of his has manage to undermine his whole setup. House's backup plan for the continuity of his government without him is even less sensible than Caesar's "Let's Let Lanius Rape Everything" plan; House doesn't even have one. On the event of his death, a bogus obituary goes out and... that's it. We're not working with a very sophisticated contingency when it comes to Mr. House. We're not working with a contingency at all! If you bother to actually read the obituary, the gist of it is basically "Welp, I'm dead! y'all are hosed." He literally did not believe human civilization would survive without him to lead it, so why plan around his own death?
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Also what people discount is that the means of production (yes really) are constantly building up in the NCR. If you go to Sloan, Jas Wilkins in the mess hall will tell you that the raiders are mostly gone and it's easy to get a job at mills and factories. She left California because it had gotten too safe and boring. The NCR is undergoing an industrial revolution and has the greatest potential to really transform the wasteland. The Hoover Dam is integral to that project. It would be the biggest fuckup to leave the Mojave to a nearly undead dictator or to a fascist Roman cosplayer.
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How exactly is the NCR contracting you out to intimidate and torture a prisoner of war in any way justifiable? I mean, it's an all or nothing system. Either you're a legitimate humanitarian who tires to be moral even to your literal worst enemy, or you're not. If you're going to put out the idea that you're the former, then it needs to be total. It's no different than reclassifying him so he's not an enemy combatant, therefore not a prisoner of war, and therefore not subject to the rules they've put in place to protect people like him. The only reason they ask you to do it is because it's easier than the alternative of doing the above. They only want to stop the violence in Freeside that is directed specifically at them. They never bother asking why there's violence in the first place (it's so deeply ingrained into their ideal that they are the good and right people and people should just give up everything and join them because) or why it's specifically directed at NCR troops, they just want to stop it by any means necessary including literally killing the guy they think is responsible There's that democratic justice system for you. The NCR is a democracy in name only. People may vote, they may even get "a say" but it all boils down to nothing if the culture and laws do not support a democratic system. You might aswell take your vote and chuck it in a fire for all the good it would do. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 21:09
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Ddraig posted:How exactly is the NCR contracting you out to intimidate and torture a prisoner war in any way justifiable? Why do you think House or Caesar would be better moral exemplars of justice? There's no evidence that if House had control of a similarly sized nation state that torture wouldn't occur under his regime.
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I mean you act like House isn't a pretty morally ambiguous guy willing to sacrifice innocents in brutal ways to achieve his aims. The question of who controls the Mojave is who would be less bad.
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Ddraig posted:The NCR is a democracy in name only. People may vote, they may even get "a say" but it all boils down to nothing if the culture and laws do not support a democratic system. You might aswell take your vote and chuck it in a fire for all the good it would do. As long as we understand that the ideal replacement for NCR's phony democracy is genuine democracy, and not Crucifixion 2.0 or The Man Who Would Be Mummy-King.
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It's all different shades of grey, really. They would all do and HAVE all done the same thing. There is no one faction in NV that is the best for the nevada area because they're all lovely assholes with bad leaders, but someone has to come out on top at some point. It's just a matter of who is the least awful.
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THS posted:Why do you think House or Caesar would be better moral exemplars of justice? There's no evidence that if House had control of a similarly sized nation state that torture wouldn't occur under his regime. I'm not saying they are, just that the NCR being the "right" choice is a bit of a stupid concept, given how massive the problems they have and virtually all the terrible elements in both the Legion (expansionism, might makes right politics) and House (rampant imperialism, an absurd sense of being the only savior of the world) are present in the NCR, just better hidden.
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Ddraig posted:How exactly is the NCR contracting you out to intimidate and torture a prisoner war in any way justifiable? I mean, it's an all or nothing system. Either you're a legitimate humanitarian who tires to be moral even to your literal worst enemy, or you're not. If you're going to put out the idea that you're the former, then it needs to be total. The NCR is not contracting you to torture a POW. An individual is contracting you, because if the NCR wanted to torture prisoners they'd do it themselves. And the violence in Freeside isn't being directed at NCR troops, it's being directed at regular chumps who thought they could make it big in Vegas and lost everything. You are literally twisting evidence to fit your warped view of the NCR as something it isn't.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The NCR is not contracting you to torture a POW. An individual is contracting you, because if the NCR wanted to torture prisoners they'd do it themselves. And the violence in Freeside isn't being directed at NCR troops, it's being directed at regular chumps who thought they could make it big in Vegas and lost everything. You are literally twisting evidence to fit your warped view of the NCR as something it isn't. Is this the whole "a few bad apples" argument? Doesn't fly in the real world, doesn't fly here. An individual might be doing it, but it's indicative of the larger culture in play. In any system where the NCR is against that kind of thing, she would immediately be subject to a court martial and probably end up serving some prison time. It's not as if she makes it a secret, or it's a hush-hush scenario, she straight up tells you "We can't torture these guys, because it would look bad. We want to torture him anyway, can you do it for us?" Nobody in the entire base will say "Hey, that's kind of hosed. Maybe we shouldn't be doing this" it's all implicit and just a thing that happens and it doesn't matter anyway because he's one of them etc.
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The NCR is constantly growing, building up, stabilizing the region, has an organized army and is serious about taming the wasteland. In New Vegas you're on the frontier and clearly you're seeing the worst of the NCR, but the only hope for a stable society in the Southwest US in the Fallout universe is an NCR victory. The NCR is not a static, dying society - it grows continually wealthier and more powerful. They are laying railroads, fixing the infrastructure, and aren't based on some gimmick bullshit like tribals tricked into aping old Vegas culture.
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People talk about how the NCR is mutant-inclusive, but they're actually really horrible regarding super mutants. I mean, they hire mercenaries to provoke an attack from Jacobstown and then wipe them out because some other mutants somewhere were attacking brahmin herds. When you point that out to the merc leader he just basically says, "Hey, they hired me to kill the mutants here, I don't really give a gently caress if they actually did anything."
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THS posted:The NCR is constantly growing, building up, stabilizing the region, has an organized army and is serious about taming the wasteland. In New Vegas you're on the frontier and clearly you're seeing the worst of the NCR, but the only hope for a stable society in the Southwest US in the Fallout universe is an NCR victory. The NCR is not a static, dying society - it grows continually wealthier and more powerful. They are laying railroads, fixing the infrastructure, and aren't based on some gimmick bullshit like tribals tricked into aping old Vegas culture. The same arguments have been made as to why the Legion is ultimately good and they have been dismissed as terrible (i.e. "We're only seeing the Legion's raiding party, we have no idea how they are back home") except this is kind of even worse because we clearly do have an idea of how the NCR operates, given that we've got other games with them in it.
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Ddraig posted:The same arguments have been made as to why the Legion is ultimately good and they have been dismissed as terrible (i.e. "We're only seeing the Legion's raiding party, we have no idea how they are back home") except this is kind of even worse because we clearly do have an idea of how the NCR operates, given that we've got other games with them in it. There are plenty of 1st person accounts from people in the Mojave, like the one I mentioned from Jas Wilkins, that California proper is pretty stable at this point. The only thing we have from the Legion is that raiding has gone down because of actual crucifixions.
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THS posted:There are plenty of 1st person accounts from people in the Mojave, like the one I mentioned from Jas Wilkins, that California proper is pretty stable at this point. The only thing we have from the Legion is that raiding has gone down because of actual crucifixions. There's also people who have been in Legion territory who will say the same things about the Legion.
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That and there's a pretty clear difference in that the vast majority of NCR soldiers seem disinterested and underequipped, but with few exceptions they aren't slaving, raping fuckheads. The professional organization of the NCR soldiers compared with the misogynist raping Legion reflects the societies which created them.
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There's no way that a slaving, woman-raping disgusting army based on the hosed up fantasies of a really mentally broken ex-Followers member cosplaying Roman fascism is remotely comparable to what's going on in the NCR.
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CJacobs posted:It's all different shades of grey, really. They would all do and HAVE all done the same thing. There is no one faction in NV that is the best for the nevada area because they're all lovely assholes with bad leaders, but someone has to come out on top at some point. It's just a matter of who is the least awful, really. But that is really not an insignificant choice. This forum has come to love Obsidian's New Vegas for having written in shades of grey. I think we focus too much on the grey, and not enough on the shades. It may be all grey, but Fallout New Vegas is not just a monochromatic square with no significant detail.Those differences, subtle, hidden, abstract as they are, do truly matter, and the writers of this game have treated it as such. Yes, the ambiguity and murkiness and inner, self conflict are all there, but so are the distinctions and colors and differences between the factions, and the player's choices with regards to them. The particular processes of those respective institutions matter. It matters that the Brahmin Barons are the dominant interest in the NCR, because a democracy is a constant struggle between competing interests. When one gets too strong, it might kill the republic, but it also rallies a natural and legal opposition to it. There is no competing, no legal opposition in Caesar's world, or in House's. Every act of opposition under them is an act of crime. For me, the struggle about thinking of NCR's future comes with how best to fix its deeply-rooted political problems. I have made arguments about the regional security of the Mojave demanding a centralized wasteland, but I also think that this expansion is placing such a huge burden on the republic in a time when it already needs to focus on its serious domestic problems. Its political resources are stretched between these two goals, both of which I think are deeply important to the survival and well-being of the region. I'm inclined to believe that both need to be done, and whatever democratic miracle allowed us to recover an economy and fight a world war during the FDR administration needs to happen in NCR. Fallout Josh Lyman needs to kick down Colonel Hsu's door and demand he run for office.
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What we really need is a faction whose soldiers are not subject to extremes of emotion or the whims of the powerful, and are physically incapable of taking slaves or committing rape. Move along 
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The NCR are pretty much committing genocide against anyone who doesn't agree with them or dares to be born in a region they're interested in and don't immediately give up the goose when they roll into town to spread democracy. The Legion do it too, but they offer them a choice: "Join with us, or die". The NCR just go in guns blazing. See: The Great Khans (nearly completely wiped out), the Fiends (slaughtered en masse) None are given the opportunity to enter into the glorious democratic NCR. They're the other, and can never be a part of their society. And if they do happen to get in the way, they can die in the knowledge that their body will be left to rot in the free Democratic Republic that they never knew existed.
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CJacobs posted:It's all different shades of grey, really. They would all do and HAVE all done the same thing. There is no one faction in NV that is the best for the nevada area because they're all lovely assholes with bad leaders, but someone has to come out on top at some point. It's just a matter of who is the least awful. See this is someone who gets it. There is no best choice. There are a series of a slightly less terrible choices, and no one choice is the good choice. Acebuckeye13 posted:The NCR is not contracting you to torture a POW. An individual is contracting you, because if the NCR wanted to torture prisoners they'd do it themselves. And the violence in Freeside isn't being directed at NCR troops, it's being directed at regular chumps who thought they could make it big in Vegas and lost everything. You are literally twisting evidence to fit your warped view of the NCR as something it isn't. No there's actually a lot of violence directed at the NCR guys. And at Freeside locals, coming from the NCR. It's sort of all related to you in a quest or two in Freeside. Do you not pay attention to things? Neither side likes each other very much at all, both if them dislike each other for some not very good reasons, and neither side is right.
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Assuming Independent is off the table, I think House would be the most interesting.SpookyLizard posted:See this is someone who gets it. There is no best choice. There are a series of a slightly less terrible choices, and no one choice is the good choice.
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Nobody Interesting posted:In a hypothetical Fallout 4 which faction canonically rules New Vegas after the Courier's done loving poo poo up? Harold, obviously.
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I guess I really don't understand how people can support the NCR when the exact same actions they have performed, done by other factions, are proof of the latter's moral degeneracy and a reason they should be vilified and are irredeemably evil and must be destroyed at all costs. The Legion are raping slavers, sure, but lest we forget the NCR has actively, and continues to actively support genocide. Why does the NCR get the "but" treatment, as in "They may be expansionist, murdering imperialists, but..."? Is it because they're a democracy? They're very incredibly undemocratic in many, many aspects of their society, completely dishonest about this, and actively lying to the citizenry that their choice counts (unless you happen to be directly contributing to the NCR coffers, in which case your decisions are very important). In many ways, they're a democracy in name only.
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Nobody Interesting posted:In a hypothetical Fallout 4 which faction canonically rules New Vegas after the Courier's done loving poo poo up? It's going back to the East Coast, so probably a bunch of people whose names you won't remember.
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I assume FNV will get about as much of a mention as Fallout 3 got in-game. "I heard there was some trouble back in Vegas" or something like that, maybe some random encounter with AWOL Legion soldiers turned common raiders. Which is probably for the best, considering what happened to Harold.
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Ddraig posted:I guess I really don't understand how people can support the NCR when the exact same actions they have performed, done by other factions, are proof of the latter's moral degeneracy and a reason they should be vilified and are irredeemably evil and must be destroyed at all costs. The Legion are raping slavers, sure, but lest we forget the NCR has actively, and continues to actively support genocide.
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Ddraig posted:The NCR just go in guns blazing. See: The Great Khans (nearly completely wiped out), the Fiends (slaughtered en masse) Someone said this much more eloquently than I can, but the Khans complain about the NCR attacking them, completely glossing over that they (as a people) have been raiding the NCR before it was even the NCR. They've been pushed back a few times, but they still say "  We're the victims of NCR " nonsense. As for the fiends, we're talking about whacked-out druggies with guns. Whacked out on drugs made by the Khans. Edit : Nobody Interesting posted:In a hypothetical Fallout 4 which faction canonically rules New Vegas after the Courier's done loving poo poo up? There's a few different ways to go about it: Disregarding: As a sidequel that effectively ends the Old Fallout setting, they ignore the events of NV. Presumably, F4 takes place far enough away that what happened in Vegas doesn't reach the setting. Generalized: NPCs make generic comments that have spread so far that it's basically rumor. "Did you hear? Some courier did some crazy stuff in Vegas!" Dragon Break: The least player-loving, the result is a little bit of all three major endings, devoid of some Courier at the front of any side. The fight between the NCR and the Legion comes to a head, and in the middle of the fight House unleashes his hidden Securitron army. NCR gets a defeat that humbles it, Ceasar gets a defeat that cripples it, and New Vegas retains its own identity. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Ddraig posted:In many ways, they're a democracy in name only. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are very forgiving of 'democratic imperialism' in the sense that 'invading places because of manifest destiny is OK, as long as you call yourself a 'democracy'. I mean, this forum IS mostly American after all. I mean it would be one thing if the NCR was fighting for, say, the right for Vegas to elect it's own leader, or if the majority of people in Vegas actually wanted to join with the NCR. But they're not, they're just saying "You know that foreign leader who invaded your lands? He's your president now, have a tiny flag with a bear on it" I mean there ain't no vote for people in the Mojave. You either accept the person the NCR decided would be best to rule you, or you get shot. It's not like they're even trying to rebuild America as a whole, they just want to siphon off everyone else's resources and send them back West to California. Still, they're better than the Legion at least. But I went with House, since like was mentioned above, robots don't rape, torture, or subvert the system for their own ends. That and House explicitly stated he didn't really care what people did with themselves. All he really talked about was getting the monorails fixed and scientific advancement. As much as everyone calls him a dictator, he doesn't really seem to 'run' anything except keeping the casino's running and the streets safe. That and the ending told me that since I'm so awesome, I made sure that House was just and fair to the citizens of Vegas. In my own personal canon the Courier used his influence to set up some kind of independent democratic government for Vegas/the Mojave, with House staying on as legal owner of the Casino's/security contractor.
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In my current game I killed House and am currently going on a drug fueled rampage through the casinos melting people with lasers and stealing everything that isn't nailed down. I vote that this becomes canon.
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