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John Cena posted:I know Dreamer and Punk did an ROH show while under contract, and the Colons are allowed to work WWC, but what are some other examples of wrestlers under WWE Contract wrestling outside of the company? ADR recently did some work in Mexico in his dad's fed. And Lawler, if non-wrestlers under contract count.
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I can't remember who, but in 97 the company got big money from a Japanese company (maybe WAR?) to have a top star or two do matches in Japan. WWE was so hard up for money at that point they couldn't turn it down.
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Mar 20, 2014 03:36
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It's worth noting that WWE wrestlers used to be able to take third party bookings on off days. Mick Foley mentions showing up to Over The Edge in 98 really burned out before his match with Austin, because he spent the night before in a high school gym doing a spot on an Indy show for an obscene amount of money.
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Mar 20, 2014 03:51
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TL posted:It's worth noting that WWE wrestlers used to be able to take third party bookings on off days. Mick Foley mentions showing up to Over The Edge in 98 really burned out before his match with Austin, because he spent the night before in a high school gym doing a spot on an Indy show for an obscene amount of money. I think that's technically still possible, if only under the idea that the talent is still 'independent contractors' but in reality, the WWE office is not going to sign off on Daniel Bryan working for Bumfuck Championship Wrasslin' the night before SummerSlam or something. Lawler's always been able to work indies, though. And am I crazy or does Cena not occasionally appear (though not actually 'work') on his dad's promotion's shows?
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Mar 20, 2014 03:59
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projecthalaxy posted:Maybe it was they both have four wins, I don't remember. It was in the 2K14 Mania mode. Bundy only had four Wrestlemania matches. He was 1-3.
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Mar 20, 2014 04:02
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When did wrestlers having multiple finishers become common?
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Mar 20, 2014 04:37
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In the late 80s/really early 90s WWF, were the Japanese wrestlers like Orient Express legit superstars in Japan? Also, how were they brought up in vignettes in the WWF?
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Mar 20, 2014 05:37
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:When did wrestlers having multiple finishers become common? Is it really that common now outside of top talent who have been around forever? I mean do new guys in the WWE get multiple finishers?
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Mar 20, 2014 05:53
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A fair number of guys have a submission as well as a slam/strike finish, even if they almost never use it, like Sheamus' cloverleaf and Ziggler's sleeper.
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Mar 20, 2014 05:57
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Hockles posted:In the late 80s/really early 90s WWF, were the Japanese wrestlers like Orient Express legit superstars in Japan? Also, how were they brought up in vignettes in the WWF? Only one of the members of the Orient Express was actually born in Japan. Sato was one of the orginal members of All Japan and won the tag titles a couple times, but apparently spent most of his career in the States. Tanaka was Hawaiian born and competed in Memphis and the AWA before he went to the WWF. Kato was a white Canadian who teamed with Tanaka in the AWA. As far as the latter part of your question, it was a very long time ago but from what I remember they were typical foreign heels and I don't remember them getting much in the way of mic time or vignettes. Thauros fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 06:04
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MrJacobs posted:Is it really that common now outside of top talent who have been around forever? I mean do new guys in the WWE get multiple finishers? Taker, Cena, Bryan, Big Show, Christian...Sandow? Come to mind. I think Miz too. Rey has several follow ups to the 619. I feel like Ryback has won with the meat hook but shellshock is clearly his real finisher.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:04
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ABOUT DRUGS posted:Taker, Cena, Bryan, Big Show, Christian...Sandow? Come to mind. I think Miz too. most of those guys have been around forever.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:16
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Has Orton ever used a submission finisher? I'm struggling to think of what could fit him. Although now that Punk's gone, I suppose he could steal the Anaconda Vice. 
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Mar 20, 2014 06:17
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sticklefifer posted:Has Orton ever used a submission finisher? I'm struggling to think of what could fit him. Headlock
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Mar 20, 2014 06:18
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sticklefifer posted:Although now that Punk's gone, I suppose he could steal the Anaconda Vice.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:30
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Hockles posted:Headlock He tried to get that weird boston crab over. It's called Billygoats Curse in WWE2K14.
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Mar 20, 2014 07:27
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MisterGBH posted:He tried to get that weird boston crab over. It's called Billygoats Curse in WWE2K14. That's one of Colt's moves which is why it's called that in the game.
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Mar 20, 2014 07:46
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MrJacobs posted:Is it really that common now outside of top talent who have been around forever? I mean do new guys in the WWE get multiple finishers? Most guys that were big in the 80's and 90's seem only have the one finisher, leg drop, stunner etc. I'm just wondering when multiple finishers became more prevalent. My knowledge of Japanese wrestling is pretty limited, but it seems like top guys using alternate finishers started much earlier than it did in American wrestling.
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Mar 20, 2014 09:31
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Most guys that were big in the 80's and 90's seem only have the one finisher, leg drop, stunner etc. I'm just wondering when multiple finishers became more prevalent. My knowledge of Japanese wrestling is pretty limited, but it seems like top guys using alternate finishers started much earlier than it did in American wrestling. I am trying now to think of who definitely had two finishers that were both pushed as finishers at the same time (there were lots of guys who changed finishers). The Rock and Kurt Angle spring to mind, although the Angle slam always got a 2.9 after he started doing the ankle lock.
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Mar 20, 2014 09:42
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Terry Funk had the piledriver and the spinning toe hold.
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Mar 20, 2014 10:29
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Most guys that were big in the 80's and 90's seem only have the one finisher, leg drop, stunner etc. I'm just wondering when multiple finishers became more prevalent. My knowledge of Japanese wrestling is pretty limited, but it seems like top guys using alternate finishers started much earlier than it did in American wrestling.
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Mar 20, 2014 10:37
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I think Nova had like six.
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Mar 20, 2014 11:37
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Orton should use the Dragon Sleeper. It's like a headlock, so he can probably do it reasonably well, and it would be another finisher that's a thousand times better than the rest of his performance.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:23
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MassRafTer posted:I can't remember who, but in 97 the company got big money from a Japanese company (maybe WAR?) to have a top star or two do matches in Japan. WWE was so hard up for money at that point they couldn't turn it down.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:38
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Harley Race had multiple moves that could be a finish, but I don't know that any of them were specifically noted as finishers. He shouldn't really count.MrJacobs posted:Is it really that common now outside of top talent who have been around forever? I mean do new guys in the WWE get multiple finishers? OneThousandMonkeys posted:I am trying now to think of who definitely had two finishers that were both pushed as finishers at the same time (there were lots of guys who changed finishers). The Rock and Kurt Angle spring to mind, although the Angle slam always got a 2.9 after he started doing the ankle lock.
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Mar 20, 2014 14:50
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Does the WWE count Undertakers win over Atrain and Show as one win or two, for purposes of the number the Streak is up to?
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Mar 20, 2014 15:29
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I'm reminded of Sami Zayn, a dude that has three finishers that are not finishers it all depends really (big boot in the corner, tornado DDT - which is his "true" finisher and a Koji Clutch). Koji might be stretching it, but the boot and the tornado DDT got a number of pins in NXT. Rollins was a bit like that for a while, although I suppose the Blackout is now his defacto finisher. Also on the list of NXT performers with multiple finishers, Paige just got the Scorpion Crosslock in addition to her Paige Turner. I guess rule of thumb is, if you're getting a push and your finisher has some weird setup/you're too small to hit it on the huge guys, you get a second one. Pretty much what Halloween Jack said.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:31
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rotinaj posted:Does the WWE count Undertakers win over Atrain and Show as one win or two, for purposes of the number the Streak is up to? Just one win. For simplicity's sake they just go to one a year. Also it's probably best that no one remembers that match at all.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:31
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rotinaj posted:Does the WWE count Undertakers win over Atrain and Show as one win or two, for purposes of the number the Streak is up to?
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Mar 20, 2014 18:09
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Endorph posted:Why would they count it as two? It was a single match. It was 2-on-1 but it was just one match, that he won, ergo one win for his streak. Guess it depends, if they share one tombstone in the graveyard of Undertaker Mania opponents or if they are crammed into one casket
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Mar 20, 2014 18:10
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triplexpac posted:Guess it depends, if they share one tombstone in the graveyard of Undertaker Mania opponents or if they are crammed into one casket It's all just one mass grave to save on expenses.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:14
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Endorph posted:Why would they count it as two? It was a single match. It was 2-on-1 but it was just one match, that he won, ergo one win for his streak. Taker's said stuff like "21 people have stepped up, 21 people have been put down" or something like that. Just an idle passing curiosity.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:26
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rotinaj posted:Taker's said stuff like "21 people have stepped up, 21 people have been put down" or something like that. Just an idle passing curiosity. Its to make up for the DQ at WM 9.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:29
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rotinaj posted:Taker's said stuff like "21 people have stepped up, 21 people have been put down" or something like that. Just an idle passing curiosity. Also to make up for Kane getting put down twice.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:33
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That second match was actually pretty cool with Kane going "You're not real!" and pawing around like Taker was a hallucination.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:37
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dsriggs posted:Also to make up for Kane getting put down twice. He also beat Shawn Michaels twice, and HHH three times.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:42
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"16 people have stepped up, and 16 people have been put down, but for a total of 21 times, because a few of them stepped up more than once." Doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:41
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Diabolik900 posted:He also beat Shawn Michaels twice, and HHH three times. I think that quote happened before the 2nd Michaels match 
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Mar 20, 2014 19:43
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On the subject of multiple finishers, I always found it funny that Jericho's de-facto finisher was the Walls, yet if you look at the record of him using it, it very rarely actually won the match. It's like Flair and the Figure Four.
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VogeGandire posted:On the subject of multiple finishers, I always found it funny that Jericho's de-facto finisher was the Walls, yet if you look at the record of him using it, it very rarely actually won the match. I feel like I can also count the number of times I've seen him actually hit the Lionsault on one hand (though I stopped watching regularly around 2003, so I could be missing a lot).
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