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Fox of Stone posted:It's that permanents vs. spells thing I posted about earlier. I don't see a distinction either and I agree with you but you'll see a lot of players who do see a distinction. They feel like the game should strongly focus on the permanents-only side of the "dichotomy" (the realms of both aren't mutually exclusive but are different enough, mostly because not all colors get equal access to both spells and permanents like blue does). WotC has been making the importance of permanents > spells for a while now. Take a look at standard. Nearly all of the top decks have a mix of spells and creatures, and a good number of the tier 1 decks are playing more spells than creatures. The biggest change to power level in Magic over the past decade is that creatures don't suck anymore.
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L0cke17 posted:Price of Progress would definitely be enough to force down the good-stuff decks in Modern imo. That, or print a 3 mana non-basic Armageddon. My dream is for them to reprint destructive flow in modern so I can play my 2007 extended deck
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TicalStal posted:My dream is for them to reprint destructive flow in modern so I can play my 2007 extended deck They could also just print Ruination.
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Does anybody happen to have "artwork" of the gay Jace? Someone is sponsoring me a custom play mat and i think this photo would best serve as a mat.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:15
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mcmagic posted:Mono Black Aggro and RW burn are both fun as hell to play, Cheap (if you forgo mutavaults) and very competitive in the current meta. People bagging on standard don't play a lot of standard cause it's a very diverse format these days. What does black aggro play? I haven't seen that anywhere. I have Rakdos Aggro built right now, I'm curious what a mono-black version would look like. What replaces Spike Jester and Madcap Skills? Korak posted:Have you thought about that fun Esper Humans deck since you may already have the staples of it? Put your own spin on it? It's a solid deck and has a lot of game to it. You just sometimes lose because of mana issues.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:17
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Hey look, 130 new posts in the MtG thread just this afternoon. Maybe there's been an announcement about the fall block or some leaked previews of Journey into Nyx cards. Oh 
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Mar 20, 2014 20:17
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Y'know, Strip Mine isn't on the reserve list...
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Mar 20, 2014 20:18
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Fox of Stone posted:
Except it's not. It's a term that has been used for over a decade to describe that style of deck.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:19
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Entropic posted:Y'know, Strip Mine isn't on the reserve list... No but it is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage which means it is in the top power level of cards ever made. What are its chances of a standard reprint?
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Mar 20, 2014 20:20
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Entropic posted:What does black aggro play? I haven't seen that anywhere. I have Rakdos Aggro built right now, I'm curious what a mono-black version would look like. What replaces Spike Jester and Madcap Skills? Pain seer, less lands while having better mana stability, less of a chance of getting blown out by a doom blade, tons of cheap removal to keep your pain seer alive to have massive card advantage.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:20
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jassi007 posted:No but it is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage which means it is I'm the top power level of cards ever made. What are its chances of a standard reprint? Strip Mine goes against NWO philosophy. It absolutely won't be reprinted in Standard.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:20
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Entropic posted:What does black aggro play? I haven't seen that anywhere. I have Rakdos Aggro built right now, I'm curious what a mono-black version would look like. What replaces Spike Jester and Madcap Skills? http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=6869&d=239472
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Mar 20, 2014 20:21
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whydirt posted:Hey look, 130 new posts in the MtG thread just this afternoon. Maybe there's been an announcement about the fall block or some leaked previews of Journey into Nyx cards. If we had a policy on no hygiene.txt, magic cardboard economy or reserved list chat I would swear this thread would be 50 pages shorter.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:22
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ScarletBrother posted:Strip Mine goes against NWO philosophy. It absolutely won't be reprinted in Standard. Sorry, sarcasm doesn't carry well on the internet. Clearly nothing to good for legacy and almost to good for vintage will ever be in standard. If it isn't in standard it won't be in modern.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:22
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jassi007 posted:No but it is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage which means it is in the top power level of cards ever made. What are its chances of a standard reprint? Wizards refuses to reprint Stone Rain, and that costs three mana.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:23
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Samael posted:If we had a policy on no hygiene.txt, magic cardboard economy or reserved list chat I would swear this thread would be 50 pages shorter. Blame wonder weapon he linked his death of legacy article and ruined another community :P
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Mar 20, 2014 20:24
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jassi007 posted:Blame wonder weapon he linked his death of legacy article and ruined another community :P Bugger legacy, obviously limited is the best format. 
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jassi007 posted:Blame wonder weapon he linked his death of legacy article and ruined another community :P God I wish it was that easy
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Mar 20, 2014 20:28
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ScarletBrother posted:Strip Mine goes against NWO philosophy. It absolutely won't be reprinted in Standard. People still seem to think NWO is this all-encompassing thing about new magic. All NWO says is that 80% of commons have to be below a certain complexity threshold. That's it.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:28
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jassi007 posted:No but it is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage which means it is in the top power level of cards ever made. What are its chances of a standard reprint? Roughly zero. I just think it's funny how a strictly-better Wasteland is worth 1/100 the price because it's too much better and so no one's allowed to play it outside Commander.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:32
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whydirt posted:Hey look, 130 new posts in the MtG thread just this afternoon. Maybe there's been an announcement about the fall block or some leaked previews of Journey into Nyx cards. I had the same exact reaction. 
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Mar 20, 2014 20:33
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Kabanaw posted:People still seem to think NWO is this all-encompassing thing about new magic. All NWO says is that 80% of commons have to be below a certain complexity threshold. That's it. Fine. The fact remains that we live in a world where Stone Rain is too good for Standard, so obviously Strip Mine is not going to happen.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:34
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ScarletBrother posted:Fine. The fact remains that we live in a world where Stone Rain is too good for Standard, so obviously Strip Mine is not going to happen. That's true. Wizards doesn't want to make LandDestruction.dec a thing again, since while a subset of players love the archetype a larger number of players hate playing against it since it's boring as hell. A part of that is land destruction at 3 mana or less.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:38
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I was joking about Strip Mine. This thread will latch onto anything to argue viciously about. When does the fall block announcement normally happen? Aren't we nearly due?
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Entropic posted:I was joking about Strip Mine. This thread will latch onto anything to argue viciously about. Last two years the spoilers for the spring set and the announcement of the fall set have been at pax east. This year the Magic panel is on Sunday, April 13th.
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I was typing up a long effort post on spells/permanents "dichotomy" but it wasn't worth it and probably belongs in the game design or board game threads anyway. And I make poo poo posts that are rightfully ignored. Anyway, requesting what people meant by the legacy-to-standard trading premium. How much are people usually asking when it comes to trading from one to the other nowadays? I want to hear ridiculous stories of 25%+ value so the wizard baron allowed you to partake of one of his 50 wastelands.
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revengeanceful posted:I had the same exact reaction. Me too Honestly the part where everyone talked about SCGs influence over how regularly legacy would be played is a pretty interesting topic. "My format is better than your format" is just as annoying as console warrior bullshit. Entropic posted:I was joking about Strip Mine. This thread will latch onto anything to argue viciously about. They were just responding to your joke with a counter.
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Fox of Stone posted:I was typing up a long effort post on spells/permanents "dichotomy" but it wasn't worth it and probably belongs in the game design or board game threads anyway. And I make poo poo posts that are rightfully ignored. 15-20% standard to either modern/legacy here. So all the standard things I have is worth barely anything and I will directly have to buy cards in order to not get shafted. That is why I have never played those formats and play limited and standard with those cards from my limited pool.
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Fox of Stone posted:I was typing up a long effort post on spells/permanents "dichotomy" but it wasn't worth it and probably belongs in the game design or board game threads anyway. And I make poo poo posts that are rightfully ignored. Someone offered to trade a set of wastelands and 2 fow for a complete RG Tron at my LGS. This was a few months ago before wasteland went up in price again.
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Mono-B aggro... I would avoid Pack Rat. Detention Sphere is really good, and being used a lot. Here's the deck I ran, that was a lot of fun to beat people with. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-b-heroic-1/
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ScarletBrother posted:Are the common print runs that are on MODO the same ones that appear in paper? Yes.
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En Fuego posted:Mono-B aggro... Not a huge fan of Agent of the Fates or Sipteful Returned there. You don't have much to target Agent's with and you're a bit light on removal.
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ScarletBrother posted:Fine. The fact remains that we live in a world where Stone Rain is too good for Standard, so obviously Strip Mine is not going to happen. I did see when Theros had just come out that someone claimed they went 4-0 at FNM with a Land Destruction deck, but then again pretty much anything can win against a soft FNM crowd.
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The Wonder Weapon posted:They allow for phenomenally consistent manabases, absurd splashes, and eat up huge portions of time off the clock in every format. No fetches would increase game speed and reduce obnoxious combo decks without requiring opponents to MD narrow hate cards. I know I'm a page or two behind, but has there ever been any discussion on using chess clocks to discourage slow play? I've seen MODO streams where people lose to the clock once they hit 25 minutes, outside of the expense of having to buy a shitload of clocks is there any practical reason they couldn't give that a go?
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ScarletBrother posted:Are the common print runs that are on MODO the same ones that appear in paper? Yes.
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En Fuego posted:Mono-B aggro... Is eyegouge just maindecked to deal with Mutavaults? 
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mcmagic posted:Not a huge fan of Agent of the Fates or Sipteful Returned there. You don't have much to target Agent's with and you're a bit light on removal. He's still a 3 mana 3/2 with Deathtouch. I can't count the number of people who forget the fucker has Deathtouch and just swing giant guys into him. Cactrot posted:Is eyegouge just maindecked to deal with Mutavaults? You can target Agent with it and not kill him. 
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Cactrot posted:Is eyegouge just maindecked to deal with Mutavaults? Plus your own Agent of Fates survives being targeted by it.
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mcmagic posted:Not a huge fan of Agent of the Fates or Sipteful Returned there. You don't have much to target Agent's with and you're a bit light on removal. Spiteful Returned is amazing. Throwing it on any critter is an immediate 3 damage. U/W control has fits with a 2 drop that can do that much on it's own. Agent on it's own is a 3/2 deathtouch. Putting pants on it makes it a lot more entertaining. One line of play I had, and it was pretty much the best curve for me: Turn 1 Tormented Hero into a turn 4 Spiteful Returned & turn 5 herald of torment. (I did stuff on turn 2/3 ... Playing a thoughtseize and a first spiteful). Lots of damage from one little duder. Edit: Whoa comments. Yes, Eye Gouge for Mutas and Manadorks. The white decks ran a lot of x/1s as well to kill (Soldier of the Pantheon!). I did use an Eye Gouge on my Agent to make an opp sac a Sylvan Caryatid, for value.
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