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Even TVBS is reporting over 30,000 there, with students and faculty from "Taiwan's top 100 universities and institutes" apparently on their way up. This is going to be one loving mental weekend.
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TetsuoTW posted:TVBS This is a really funny and unfortunate name for anything involving news.
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So has anyone been able to track down some actual goals of this whole thing? I mean right now all I've seen is anger at the passage of the cross-strait pact (which is fair, but democracy) and a demand for the government to apologize for ... something. Honestly I think "we call on Ma, Jiang and Wang to apologize" is on the DPP letterhead and goes out with every press release.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:19
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Moon Slayer posted:So has anyone been able to track down some actual goals of this whole thing? I mean right now all I've seen is anger at the passage of the cross-strait pact (which is fair, but democracy) and a demand for the government to apologize for ... something. Politicians: try to take advantage of the situation somehow Ma: lift rug, grab broom, whistle
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Mar 21, 2014 09:27
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 Jesus christ dude, do you not read Chinese or simply have no Taiwanese friends? The protestors' requests have been posted literally all over the place...Here is an infographic from the KMT leaning (!) United Daily News  1. Request that Wang Jin-pyng verify that KMT legislator Chang Ching-chung's 3/17 declaration that the trade services pact had passed is null and invalid 2. Immediately repeal the black-box trade services agreement 3. Establish supervisory regulations for cross-strait agreements. Before this is legislated, do not negotiate or sign any agreements with China 4. PM Jiang Yi-hua should resign and before 12:00 PM today* President Ma and Senate Leader** Wang should respond [to the above requests] Today's lecture series  *3/21 **I am sure this is not the right terminology but I can't think of the word right now
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Mar 21, 2014 09:30
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Moon Slayer posted:So has anyone been able to track down some actual goals of this whole thing? I mean right now all I've seen is anger at the passage of the cross-strait pact (which is fair, but democracy) and a demand for the government to apologize for ... something. Bloodnose posted:This is a really funny and unfortunate name for anything involving news. e: Wang's official title in English is "President of the Legislative Yuan", IIRC.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:31
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Geez, sorry I asked. EDIT: Man this really is like OWS, with the same "if you have questions or concerns you must be with THEM" attitude. Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 09:47
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I don't think it's a "don't question" thing, I think it's just being tired of seeing any attempt by young people anywhere to affect change being brushed aside with a "they don't know poo poo" sentiment, especially when that claim is being made based on insufficient information. It's condescending and uninformed. It's one thing to question their demands or motivations, it's another to just wave it off. Like I'm honestly surprised you didn't remember the exact same smears being used before. In more positive posting, if you're any good as an editor or translator (and not even just in/into English), there's a Facebook group collaboratively working on translating press releases and other documents related to the protest movement. Their position on the issue is, to say the least, pretty clear, so if you're hard anti (or even hard pro-objectivity) it might not sit well, but it's one of the few times I feel like my particular skillset is useful outside of just makin' dat cash, so I'm jumping in.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:15
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Not speaking Chinese explains a lot about everything you've(e: moon slayer) posted about what is happening. Even in the beginning, it wasn't a bunch of students who decided to go in there and break poo poo. It also isn't some DPP power play, though clearly they've been trying hard to make it one. You're absolutely correct that there is a lot of support or non-opposition for the agreement, yet many of those people are protesting. It took a while for someone to really come out in support, but once someone did many more started voicing similar opinions. This posting was relatively early and has been shared/discussed quite a bit. Its all Chinese so maybe not much use to some, but its a decent read from the other point of view. The reason "they don't know what they're protesting" is getting thrown around is also because of postings like these. Especially in the beginning, people were reading these oversimplified and biased postings like the one above(懶人包) and immediately following with gently caress The Government. However it didn't take long for this presentation by an economics professor from NTU to start circulating. This is an excellent (all Chinese) read on how the agreement will impact Taiwan's economy and sovereignty. I did see this article earlier. I'm not sure if its unjustifiably biased as I haven't read it yet, but the English writeup is available on the last page.
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Assuming those posts and whatnot will still be relevant by next week, give me some time and I could probably have them (barring the CommonWealth one, that's just a summary of the appended English) up in here in English for you.
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With the seemingly inevitable shift toward a DPP-led government in a couple of years, I must say I am making GBS threads-my-pants worried about what will become of our beloved HanYu PinYin. They are going to poo poo all over it with their TongYong nonsense, aren't they? Here's to a rebirth of moronic "Kuo"s, "Tung"s, and "Chung"s. Just as Taiwan was finally getting a hold on the worldwide standard. Heaven help us. Also, good on the students for 翹課ing. But I really hope this extends to a more general movement where people are invested enough in promoting government oversight and all that good poo poo that they risk losing their jobs. That's when this thing will get traction I think. The criticism I can see is not about how students are naive, uninformed, and easily manipulated but about how little they have to lose in protesting (their nebulous futures notwithstanding). Also, I hope this doesn't turn into the dead-soldier-protest that had tons of support and then... what? (Was there even anything accomplished other than disciplinary actions taken toward the officers involved and their commanders?)
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Pandemonium posted:Also, good on the students for 翹課ing. Can't you just say skipping school?
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caberham posted:Can't you just say skipping school? No, because then he couldn't show that he knows words.
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Pandemonium posted:I must say I am making GBS threads-my-pants worried about what will become of our beloved HanYu PinYin. They are going to poo poo all over it with their TongYong nonsense, aren't they? Here's to a rebirth of moronic "Kuo"s, "Tung"s, and "Chung"s. quote:The criticism I can see is not about how students are naive, uninformed, and easily manipulated but about how little they have to lose in protesting (their nebulous futures notwithstanding). quote:Also, I hope this doesn't turn into the dead-soldier-protest that had tons of support and then... what? (Was there even anything accomplished other than disciplinary actions taken toward the officers involved and their commanders?) sub supau fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 11:54
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caberham posted:Can't you just say skipping school? Can't you just post something with content and not clutter an already-cluttered thread? TessuoTw posted:That would be Guo, Dong, and Jhong. Oh great, a "Jh" sound. Lovely. That will work well with the "Chung" of, what, Wade-Giles? Pinyin in this country is such a joke. I was happy to hear the KMT--excuse me, GMD--had passed some kind of law or proclamation or whatever the correct technical word is adopting Hanyu pinyin. Now that will probably be for naught and this country will regress back into the dark ages of pinyin. Also, criticizing how someone writes PinYin is pretty asp'y behavior. Who cares? This isn't a legal document or a published report. If I wanna capitalize every character's PinYin, then god damnit I am going to. JiaYou TaiWan!
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Pandemonium posted:I was happy to hear the KMT--excuse me, GMD--had passed some kind of law or proclamation or whatever the correct technical word is adopting Hanyu pinyin. Now that will probably be for naught and this country will regress back into the dark ages of pinyin. quote:Also, criticizing how someone writes PinYin is pretty asp'y behavior. e: Also "aspie" is a noun, the adjectival form of choice in here at least is "spergy" (or, alternatively, "spergin")
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TetsuoTW posted:Last I heard there was a review underway of the military discipline system, but I could be wrong on that, it's been a while. There was a massive review and a law was passed that transferred military cases to civilian courts during peacetime. All military prisoners were moved to civilian jails. The actual people involved in Corporal Hung's death got pretty minor sentences: http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2014/03/08/402316/Lenient-sentences.htm
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Sorry for the double post, but ...hitension posted:
I actually asked one of my Taiwanese friends all about this! She just sent me: quote:Why would u spend ur valuable time to argue with ppl on the internet So I'm going to take her advice!
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Mar 21, 2014 13:44
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Come on, we all know your time isn't valuable.
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Mar 21, 2014 14:10
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I hope the whole system breaks down so all the cool Taiwanese people I know in Australia get to have free asylum! Whoooo!
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Pandemonium posted:Can't you just post something with content and not clutter an already-cluttered thread? This thread was pretty organized and clean before you came in  You calling other people aspy just shows how big of a sperg lord you are. You were the guy going on multi page  rants on inane things and can't even carry a normal conversation. Just  Moon Slayer posted:I actually asked one of my Taiwanese friends all about this! She just sent me: Did you tell your friend that you paid  to post on an internet forum 
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Far worse than Taiwanese people thinking a petition to the White House will have any effect on the protests and economic treaty are the foreigners who really don't understand the situation and think Taiwan has been secretly sold back to China. My facebook feed is now getting people vaguely aware that something is happening downtown and are jumping to the conclusion that Taiwan is about to be forced into a Hong Kong style deal.
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There is at least one cracker who's a friend of a friend who is currently inside the legislature. loving idiot.
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TetsuoTW posted:There is at least one cracker who's a friend of a friend who is currently inside the legislature. loving idiot. Like I said before, it's a hell of a way to get out of a lovely buxiban contract.
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So Jiang Yihua just had his
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TetsuoTW posted:There is at least one cracker who's a friend of a friend who is currently inside the legislature. loving idiot. What does he think that's going to achieve exactly. = =''
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Mar 22, 2014 09:48
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Who bloody knows. I mean honestly.
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Sweet sweet protester poon?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5g75CCLQfU These guys are so cute, they're even cleaning up the drat place (probably better than those rear end in a top hat legislators who normally work there). I showed it to a lot of my American friends back home- they're amazed at the lack of coverage so far, and pretty amazed at the polite quality of the protests. Saying "I love Taiwan" is a bit of a cliche...and I always complain about this and that being different from home. But the people here are really high quality, there's no doubt about that.
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It's a stark contrast to the protests I saw in Bangkok in February. Those ones had daily explosions while the two sides exchanged assassination attempts (sometimes successfully). The protests themselves turned into little more than a cash grab for wily entrepreneurs who saw heavy foot traffic at major intersections as an opportunity to make a buck. Though I guess they ended up being somewhat successful since the Thai high court just announced that the recent elections the protests were in part against were invalid.
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Mar 23, 2014 02:33
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The Executive Yuan building has "fallen."
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Moon Slayer posted:The Executive Yuan building has "fallen." This is getting super hosed up. Essentially the entire sub-presidential apparatus of governance has been kicked in the dick.
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Here's a megastream of everything in one place. Legislative Yuan on top left, Executive Yuan on top right. http://rsghost.github.io/congressoccupied/
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Hijacking of this movement by DPP is well under way. Friend posted pictures on Facebook of her and her husband in several locations, and there were "Free A-Bian" banners in almost every picture.
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That's just an ordinary day. DPP and TSU banners are basically installed into every couple of square feet of ground and pop up like sprinklers the moment more than 10 people are in the same place. Hardly a "hijacking". Unless they're the ones to blame for the EY invasion.
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Can some of you grassroots folk tell me how many opposition groups turned up please. as far as I can, via local media, no large organizations turned up. opposition to the opposition that is..ie.pro kmt
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There has been a live news cast outside the Executive Yuan for a while. The DPP heads just showed up so it's showing them for the moment, but they've been walking around on the street showing the cops getting pretty rough with people walking around. http://ustream.tv/channel/rhodxtv
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Premier Also some idiot broke into the building's generator room and got himself electrocuted. Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Moon Slayer posted:Premier ordered the police to clear the Executive Yuan and the president signed off on it, so poo poo's going to get real soon if it hasn't already. They've been out batoning people on the streets twice at this point. They're gathering again and possibly about to start a third push. I'm not sure of the number injured but there injuries are what made the DPP show up to [strike]get votes[/strike] show their support. I hadn't heard about a guy getting electrocuted though, that's pretty
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