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Speaking of gross mouths and adorable creatures, this one was linked next to "puppy dressup" and appears to be inspired by Louis Wain's latent schizophrenia. also beedogs = bestdogs  
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I'm visiting my family for Spring Break starting tomorrow, so have an early update as well! with CharkieAlso I'm sorry.
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The game auto-placing those earmuffs (earphones?) onto the snail's head-region may be the most charming thing to ever come out of one of these sites. I like to imagine that all of these games have been outsourced to one really sad guy in a cubicle somewhere, and after all the casual misogyny and racism and poor decision-making of his superiors he finally reached his breaking point. You teach us so much, snail-ears programmer. You teach us all.
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Gearface posted:You teach us so much, snail-ears programmer. You teach us all. I have to wonder if the programmer got an order from higher-up to make a snail game or if it was their own decision. Also you couldn't make Obama shirtless so that game sucks
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Eggn0g posted:I have to wonder if the programmer got an order from higher-up to make a snail game or if it was their own decision. That game HAD to have been pitched, right? At some point in time there was a conversation where some guy said "Ok, new game idea: dress up a snail" and another guy said "ok." Also, the game came out four months before Turbo, so I'm not even sure if it was trying to ride the snail hype train.
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The Ashton Kutcher one makes sense if you imagine you work at a mortuary. Also he has to be dead, but it kind of seems like the site is okay with that. I'm surprised they don't have dress-up for John Entwistle or Keith Moon, though.
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I'm not saying we NEED a Gentileschi game to answer the DaVinci one, but if I was going to pick any painting it'd be this one ^Judith needs some sprucing up so she is hippin' and happinin' for this generation
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Heatwizard posted:This is a really common sort of line to hear around this industry, apparently; I remember reading that Sleeping Dogs started out with a female assassin as the protagonist rather than a dude cop, but their producers stepped in and insisted they use a male protagonist because games with female protagonists don't sell. Because they don't sell, when a game actually does have a female protagonist producers are way, way less likely to actually spend any real money advertising it, which naturally ensures that it doesn't sell, and so the cycle is complete. Can't have someone different. It's gotta be white euro-trash/Murrican male or bust! I was gonna say with the puppy game it was finally THREAD OVER. But Obama Burgers and Office Texting showed me that girl games are still alive and unwell.
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Veloxyll posted:Can't have someone different. It's gotta be white euro-trash/Murrican male or bust! If you're considering dress up games then the range is ridiculous. One of the sites for KiSS (basically a dress-up game engine that was used instead of Flash in ye olde days and by some creators still) has over FOUR THOUSAND dress ups on it. Someone really, really, likes this genre.
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 I think the choice is obvious. I want to dress up the MORE GAMES animal. Also, you can sort of dress Obama up like Mitt Romney. 
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There's going to have to be something amazing to dethrone the puppy. Not even Cooking Bama really does it for me.
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Glazius posted:There's going to have to be something amazing to dethrone the puppy. Not even Cooking Bama really does it for me. Maybe this iOS thing that a coworker found a few days ago? It looks like it would go with those facial and pedicure games.  I'd give it a go but I don't have anything to run it on. It's a free download from here: http://appshopper.com/games/armpit-waxing-makeover-salon-beauty-spa-games-for-girls-and-boys
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Golden_Zucchini posted:Maybe this iOS thing that a coworker found a few days ago? It looks like it would go with those facial and pedicure games.  AND EVERY LAST INCH OF ME'S COVERED IN HAIR!
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That adorable puppy game is just missing the part where the dog bolts outside after the bath to roll around in the grass/dirt as hard as it can.
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That puppy looked so high, it probably thought it was rolling in poo poo as you were dressing it up. Is Planet Horse a girl game? quote:When I first looked at it I thought oh well but when i Saw it again it looked even more fun. I find the cover faces strangely terrifying.
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Thanks to Netflix thinking I am a literal child with its recommendations lately, I now know what the snail game was ripping off. Not sure if any snails are literally set on fire or get to wear sweet earmuffs in the movie though.
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Devious Vacuum posted:I'm visiting my family for Spring Break starting tomorrow, so have an early update as well! What was that horrible... thing at the bottom at the 12 minute mark!? Oh, God!  edit: while we're defacing the Mona Lisa, I (personally) really like the "Emona Lisa" pun. 
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I don't think that puppy game can qualify as a "girl game", because I believe it's a game that all young children must play. It's an educational game that teaches them the valuable life lesson that puppies are adorable.
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Jinxie Monroe posted:Thanks to Netflix thinking I am a literal child with its recommendations lately, I now know what the snail game was ripping off. Not sure if any snails are literally set on fire or get to wear sweet earmuffs in the movie though. Charkie posted:Also, the game came out four months before Turbo, so I'm not even sure if it was trying to ride the snail hype train. If I were to guess a source, I'd wager it was less "Turbo" and more "Spongebob has a pet snail, right? FUND IT."
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Devious Vacuum posted:I don't know all of these games, but I'm not entirely convinced Long Live the Queen is actually a Girl Game, because, for example, Princess Maker is regarded as a game for male pedophiles... and basically I want to draw a line between games that have girls as protagonists and "girl games." There's definitely a gray area in what is for little girls and what CLAIMS to be for little girls but is actually for adults. Even though Long Live the Queen has obvious Princess Maker influences, it is not Princess Maker. One major difference is that in Princess Maker, you are playing the princess's guardian (it's even possible to end up in a romantic relationship with her), whereas in LLtQ there is no such protective figure for you to identify with. Joslyn, her dad, is the most hands-off regent you can imagine. You pretty much control Elodie directly from beginning till end. Besides, Hanako Games is an explicitly girls-oriented studio. Just look at how it describes LLtQ on its official page: quote:Being a Princess is not an easy job. Being a Queen is even harder. Especially when you're only fourteen years old, and the reason you've inherited the throne is that your royal mother has just met an untimely end. Note how it's in second person, and how the player is put in the place of being the princess, not someone who's protecting her. The game warns that it's for players 13 years and up, so obviously it's not for very young girls, but this just seems to me like the studio going "hey girls can enjoy incredibly fatal and tedious spreadsheet simulations too okay".
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I bought and played that game in a drunken haze, it's not for girls. It's for men. Men who want to be prepubescent anime girls. Although to its credit, it doesn't have nudity. Or its does and I missed it because I wasn't looking for it because I'm not a gross Tucker.
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haplesscardsharp posted:I bought and played that game in a drunken haze, it's not for girls. It's for men. Men who want to be prepubescent anime girls. Although to its credit, it doesn't have nudity. Or its does and I missed it because I wasn't looking for it because I'm not a gross Tucker.
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Yes, and girls obviously don't enjoy dressing up as magical girls or whatever. I wonder who all these dress-up games are targeted towards, then.  It's just a bit of a shame that when the creator's entire goal is to make games for girls that aren't just about dressing up and looking pretty and chasing boys, but then said game is immediately pigeonholed as "for men", as if girls can't enjoy that kind of gameplay. Perhaps the problem isn't that "good girl games" aren't being made, but the fact that the mainstream gaming community don't acknowledge those games as girl games specifically. But the point is moot anyway since there's an LP of it currently on-going, so probably not a good idea to LP it again here.
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xxlicious posted:Yes, and girls obviously don't enjoy dressing up as magical girls or whatever. I wonder who all these dress-up games are targeted towards, then. The creator can say whatever she wants about her goals. Edit: Wait, no, I think the problem was with the pose, not the outfit. Something about the advertisements? Nihilarian fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Nihilarian posted:Edit: Wait, no, I think the problem was with the pose, not the outfit. Something about the advertisements? I think it had to do with one of the death scenes where Elodie gets sacrificed to a sea monster. Each death comes with an adorable chibi image (there's a collection screen which shows the ones you found! Collect them all! (You will. Even if you don't want to)) which sharply contrasts the violent description of Elodie's demise. That particular one was this: http://imgur.com/A5OyQbp (spoilers obviously) so if you put it in a banner, you can see why people took umbrage with it. The actual description is the most  thing, I should note.
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xxlicious posted:Yes, and girls obviously don't enjoy dressing up as magical girls or whatever. I wonder who all these dress-up games are targeted towards, then. I'm gonna agree on this one. I bought Long Live the Queen before it was even on steam for two reasons: 1. I have a Masters of Fine Arts in Game Design and Interactive Narrative, and I've been doing a bit of an independent study on both girl's games and games for kids in general after a huge binge on articles on the topic. 2. It seemed like a fairly unique and fun concept (comparison to Princess Maker aside). (I went ahead and bolded the final point of this rant below for people that don't want to read all of this.) For full disclosure, here is the magical girl outfit in question and the "inappropriate pose":  ...and here is what it looks like in game:  Not exactly feminine empowerment, but I've seen worse in games and shows that haven't been accused of being pure fanservice bait. It's not entirely unfair to say that maybe this is a little over-sexualized for a kid's game, but it's hardly a THEME to the game, especially when you look at some of the other standard outfits:     They tend to run across a pretty big spectrum of things that would socially be considered girly to quite masculine, but they're mostly cut to a fairly non-sexualized taste. Even the ones that tend to show a little skin aren't exactly tailored to the male gaze per se...  Unless you think all those 8 year-old girls that are into ballerina outfits are doing it to attract men. Point is, the outfits run an eclectic taste and wide gambit, but they do seem to be appealing primarily to little girls and not men. They're just covering their bases a little bit. As for the actual content of the game, it's already been brought up that you're pretty obviously put in the shoes of the princess and not protecting her as an invisible avatar. The entire game is in second person, and you are very much intended to put yourself in Elodie's shoes. Elodie's also pretty much the prime regent of her kingdom too. Eventhough her father is still alive, it's often asserted that Elodie holds the higher rank and final decision in most matters of state. It's even interesting to point out that, unlike Disney, Long Live the Queen goes out of its way to point out you are the QUEEN and not a princess. It's subtle, but it comes with the connotation that your job is not to be pure, innocent, and sing songs about wanting more, but rather to RUN THE loving COUNTRY, and if you don't succeed, things WILL go poorly. The content itself ranges from pretty average "Princessy" stuff like playing with your friends, to learning to dance, and training animals. The difference between this and other similar games, though, as pointed out in the advertising, is that it takes a very realistic and stark tonal shift at times. People are trying to assassinate Elodie, and it is ENTIRELY up to her to get skilled enough to live to her coronation. For 95% of the decisions in the game, no one is going to warn you to have a court food-taster taste those chocolates or dive in front of that arrow for you (the two exceptions I CAN think of involve your best friend getting bit by the snake that was attacking you and your dog eating the poison chocolates because he's a really dumb dog). The one bit of content that you MIGHT consider a bit pandering to a male demographic is that half of Elodie's potential suitors for a king are adult men. Even this is handled not as a sexualized thing and more as a thing of realistic medieval politics. Elodie mostly protests having to pick suitors and you can even go on to be a single queen... You can also marry a boy younger than you or one of your Duchesses. Matter of fact, of the two male suitors I can remember, you marry one of them by accident because you didn't understand politics at the time and want to avoid a war, and the other you marry because he's a cunning politician and you want him as your king as a power-play (The exact line is "I intend to use you, and then dump you the second you're no longer useful to me"). It's also interesting to point out that female advisors play just as much of a role in the overall plot as your male advisors, if not more. So, I think there's really characters for both genders to latch onto here even if you're insistent on only relating to people of your sex. So, honestly, I think the worst you can accuse Hanako games of is a potentially bad execution on some elements, but an overall good intention. I personally think they did a fantastic job, but I can see how there would be potential complaints and I think they're valid. Still, they clearly TRIED to tailor this game to young teenage girls that like darker fantasy stories, and I've frequently commented that if I had a 12 year-old niece, this is EXACTLY the game I would play with her. So, I think it's quite unfair to say the game is a "guy game" just because a large number of male game-players bought it. Just as female gamers can like "masculine things", guys can find themselves interested in "feminine things". There's no doubt in my mind that Long Live the Queen is a "girl game", and I think most people that gave it more than 15 minutes mostly agree with me based on some of the press and articles I've seen written on it. Actually, as a final sidenote, I somewhat find it worrying that the immediate reaction to a male demographic finding interest in a game intended for a younger female audience is to assume they're pedophiles. I'm not saying that sometimes this isn't the case, but it's obvious that this is the IMMEDIATE reaction. It sends a message that it ISN'T okay for a guy to be interested in feminine things and further reinforces the idea of the feminine as inferior. It's pretty much the same idea that it's okay and even encouraged for girls to play with boy's toys if they want to, but if a boy wants to play with Barbies, he's either gay or something's wrong with him. Feminine traits are unique to women and something you should almost be ashamed of, but male traits are universal and widely regarded as "good". I feel the problem is a bit of a self-prophetical cycle too. If you socially label a male demographic as enjoying little girl imagery as something entirely for pedophiles, you give the genre a black mark that most companies don't want to deal with. Since most companies won't touch the genre, they won't make better games in the genre, and the genre won't make a profit. Since it's not an established genre, the only way you'll be able to get a non-independent company to publish a game in the genre is by proving there's a demographic that will spend money that you CAN pander to. So, the only companies that WILL produce games with the imagery after a while are the companies TRYING to appeal to Loli culture... which makes the genre get worse and starts the cycle again. So, even when there ARE good games using this kind of imagery, people have to pretend they did it as a joke or it was a gift no matter how good or progressive or interesting the game might be. After all, the ONLY explanation for a guy wanting to play as a 13 year-old female protagonist is he wants to have sex with her or he's some kind of "sick weirdo" that identifies as a woman because he's a pervert. That's definitely why I bought the game and enjoy it (In accordance with Poe's Law, I am required by internet etiquette to confirm that the last two sentences were sarcasm). Sorry for the long rant. Hopefully, I made my point clear enough. (Also, as for the LP thing. There's a lot of games with multiple LPs in the archive. I don't think there's a dibs rule per se, especially when showing off an obscure game and giving it public attention AND coming at it from a different angle than the other LPs.) DairunCates fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Long Live the Queen confirms what my education taught me: no one is ever in the mood to study Economics.
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I think mainly the issue with all the conclusions that this game's for men who want to jack off to underage animes is that title screen. First impressions are hard to change in the human brain, and this website especially is prone to kneejerk reactions; if some other image was used as the logo/splash screen (the castle background it uses for half its scenes, Elodie in plain clothes, pretty much anything other than that), it wouldn't have that initial momentum to fight.
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Heatwizard posted:I think mainly the issue with all the conclusions that this game's for men who want to jack off to underage animes is that title screen. First impressions are hard to change in the human brain, and this website especially is prone to kneejerk reactions; if some other image was used as the logo/splash screen (the castle background it uses for half its scenes, Elodie in plain clothes, pretty much anything other than that), it wouldn't have that initial momentum to fight. In their defense, those wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic and eye-catching. So, I understand using the magical girl in an action pose to catch the eye. The length of the skirt and the pose is a just a bit unfortunate. I think it's not so much that they were trying to attract "that" demographic as there's so little reference imagery for GOOD female action poses. I actually still think most little girls wouldn't pick up on that connotation though. So, I don't think it's an ENTIRE failure in that sense. That said, I think something similar to the ending coronation without text would've been a decent title page.  It's dynamic, it's colorful, and it appeals to the intended audience. DairunCates fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Despite this blatant reason not to hit start game, I did find it quite enjoyable, because it dealt with grief and emotions, had a decent amount of strategy, and had a lovable cast of jackasses. DairunCates posted:GOOD female action poses.  Unrelated to conversation, but relevant to girl games:  Who would ever Google search "girl games club baby"?
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Yeah. It doesn't bother that much, but I don't blame people for being put off by the title screen. It's pretty golden after that moment though. Not only does it have some pretty realistic and emotional characters, but how many games let you actually be an interesting and smart Machiavellian bastard that's actually cool, girl game OR otherwise? There's so many cool and equally valid routes through the game. Want to be a beloved queen that inspires her people? Check. Want to be an iron-fisted general with a brilliant tactical mind? Check. Want to be a pretty, pretty magical girl and solve your problems with magic missiles? Check. Want to be Recette from Recettear? Oddly enough... Check. Want to train hawks to attack your foes and flay them alive like some kind of bad rear end version of Radagast!? Okay... Not a check on that one. Dammit. Why'd Falconry have to be so useless? It's still pretty interesting that, despite how ridiculously hard the game can be, how many different solutions there are to any given problem. That's the kind of subtle, nuanced, subliminal message I can get behind drilling into the heads of our younger generations. quote:...and that's why I said "so little" and not none. There are definitely some excellent artists arising in this new generation; which is why I'm all together optimistic despite the dismal state of the industry. DairunCates fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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haplesscardsharp posted:Who would ever Google search "girl games club baby"? Maybe there are girl games out there where you go clubbing as a baby. You dress up the babies in all sorts of adorable little outfits, maybe dress up the baby as a little sailor's outfit. And then you can print it out. Frame it. Place it in a room that is wall-to-wall full of printed out and framed results of hundreds of dress up games.
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DairunCates posted:Actually, as a final sidenote, I somewhat find it worrying that the immediate reaction to a male demographic finding interest in a game intended for a younger female audience is to assume they're pedophiles. I'm not saying that sometimes this isn't the case, but it's obvious that this is the IMMEDIATE reaction. It sends a message that it ISN'T okay for a guy to be interested in feminine things and further reinforces the idea of the feminine as inferior. It's pretty much the same idea that it's okay and even encouraged for girls to play with boy's toys if they want to, but if a boy wants to play with Barbies, he's either gay or something's wrong with him. Feminine traits are unique to women and something you should almost be ashamed of, but male traits are universal and widely regarded as "good". You said exactly what I wanted to say, a lot better than I could have worded it, so thanks! It's frustrating that people outside the target demographic can't enjoy something without being viewed as a freak. And that kind of judgment seems largely relegated to sex, gender, and age demographics, as it's not considered as weird for a city person to enjoy country music. Granted you don't get the "sexualization" thing from that sort of disparity, but I don't see why it's automatically assumed in cases where it's a possibility but not an absolute. It's the same reason people think non-little girls only enjoy My Little Pony for sexual reasons. Bato posted:Maybe there are girl games out there where you go clubbing as a baby. I hope this is Devac's final update. Pictures of every wall in her house covered floor to ceiling in framed printouts of all the atrocities she's created in the videos.
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I was going to write some words but then my computer decided to coredump and I THINK WE CAN ALL LEARN AN IMPORTANT LESSON FROM THAT. No more talking about Long Live the Queen. Done. Conversation over. I will have the next update tomorrow when I finish editing it! The next episode is the long-overdue return of LP Forums Darling Panzer Skank.
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Devious Vacuum posted:I was going to write some words but then my computer decided to coredump and I THINK WE CAN ALL LEARN AN IMPORTANT LESSON FROM THAT. Not really sure what this is about, but, as technically the second to last person to talk about it, my apologies if I said something ridiculously offensive. DairunCates fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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