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zoux posted:It's not the "Green Arrow universe" it's the DC universe, and basically they all crossover. Batman and Green Arrow were both in the JLA for example. Oh, gotcha. Like the avengers crossover. JLA? Burning_Monk posted:FYI Deathstroke = Slade Wilson. Whaat. In the comics only, right? I wonder why they're separate in the tv show. Also, who's Grundy? I keep thinking of the Witch from Banjo-Kazooie. Edit: JLA = Justice League
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Yeah it's like DC Avengers basically. Justice League of America. Hang on, you fuckin with us?
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Mar 21, 2014 21:43
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zoux posted:Yeah it's like DC Avengers basically. Justice League of America. No, I'm not. I legitimately have never read comics in my life. The closest I've been are Arrow, The Avengers, and the new batman and spiderman movies. Ravane fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 21:45
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bobkatt013 posted:I just wonder if they are going to take him off the table at the end of the season, since they are not going to just have one huge enemy for Ollie. Manu Bennett is killing the role so well that I really really hope they don't kill Slade at the end of the season. I hope they find some way to bring him back later one. They did with Merlyn! Ravane posted:No, I'm not. I legitimately have never read comics in my life. The closest I've been are Arrow, The Avengers, and the new batman and spiderman. This is actually adorable, so I'm going to let this go. I hope you continue enjoying Arrow with no preconceptions like the rest of us. Some Numbers fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 21:46
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Ravane posted:Whaat. In the comics only, right? I wonder why they're separate in the tv show. 
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Mar 21, 2014 21:47
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Ravane posted:Whaat. In the comics only, right? I wonder why they're separate in the tv show. 
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Mar 21, 2014 21:52
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^^^: Let it go. It's not that big a deal.Ravane posted:Also, who's Grundy? I keep thinking of the Witch from Banjo-Kazooie. Solomon Grundy is a DC villain. His name was referenced in the poem from the second Barry episode. Around here, we use the name to refer to Cyrus Gold, the Mirakuru guy that Oliver tangled with in the Barry mini-arc.
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Mar 21, 2014 21:52
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Some Numbers posted:^^^: Let it go. It's not that big a deal. Yeah, in the comics it looks more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f14ZRoxz8Zs
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Mar 21, 2014 21:56
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Some Numbers posted:^^^: Let it go. It's not that big a deal. Cryus Gold, born on a Monday...
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Mar 21, 2014 21:56
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Well on the off chance you aren't trolling the poo poo out of us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRIuEVC3TWw&t=26s
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Mar 21, 2014 22:06
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Edit: ^^^ Whoops. I didn't realize that he was supposed be Deathstroke in that moment. I thought he was just regular Slade.Some Numbers posted:^^^: Let it go. It's not that big a deal. Oh okay, Grundy is Cyrus Gold. I was thinking Deathstroke was Billy Wintergreen, who was also stabbed in the eye by Slade. Billy Wintergreen is hired by Amanda, the CIA lady, to kill Slade and he does so to get revenge (But he doesn't have the Mira Kuru so he loses). But now I'm thinking (because of everyone facepalming) that Slade is just Deathstroke in this show, and they're hiring him to kill himself? Ravane fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 22:08
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Ravane posted:Oh okay, Grundy is Cyrus Gold. I was thinking Deathstroke was Billy Wintergreen, who was also stabbed in the eye by Slade. Billy Wintergreen is hired by Amanda, the CIA lady, to kill Slade and he does so to get revenge (But he doesn't have the Mira Kuru so he loses). But now I'm thinking (because of everyone facepalming) that Slade is just Deathstroke in this show, and they're hiring him to kill himself? What? Oliver went to Waller to get information on Slade Wilson. Waller reveals that Slade Wilson might be Deathstroke (which the audience already knows, see clip above), a mercenary whose activites they've been tracking. No one was looking to hire anybody.
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Mar 21, 2014 22:11
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Ravane posted:Edit: ^^^ Whoops. I didn't realize that he was supposed be Deathstroke in that moment. I thought he was just regular Slade. You're overthinking this. Wintergreen may have been called Deathstroke on the island, I don't know. Currently, Slade Wilson is a businessman of some sort. Currently, Deathstroke is the name ARGUS is applying to a mercenary that they've been tracking. The mercenary they're calling Deathstroke has the exact same outfit that Slade wears in the clip that was just posted. Ergo...
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Mar 21, 2014 22:13
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Just binge watched the show, and I have a question that relates to the comics: Who is supposed to be green arrow's joker? Does he have an iconic nemesis that is *his*?
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Mar 21, 2014 22:16
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Your Personal Muse posted:Just binge watched the show, and I have a question that relates to the comics: Merlyn
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Mar 21, 2014 22:19
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Kibayasu posted:What? Oh, okay. I thought by "new player in town" she meant that Deathstroke was the best guy for the job of killing Slade. Some Numbers posted:You're overthinking this. Wintergreen may have been called Deathstroke on the island, I don't know. Uh, I think I got confused because the Arrow wikia had Wintergreen listed as Deathstroke. http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Billy_Wintergreen CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah, in the comics it looks more like this: Grundy took a tombstone out of his chest in the video... I'm assuming Mira Kuru has some different properties in the comics?
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Mar 21, 2014 22:19
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Grundy got his powers in the comics from a magic swamp.
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Mar 21, 2014 22:21
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Ravane posted:Oh, okay. I thought by "new player in town" she meant that Deathstroke was the best guy for the job of killing Slade. quote:Uh, I think I got confused because the Arrow wikia had Wintergreen listed as Deathstroke. http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Billy_Wintergreen quote:Grundy took a tombstone out of his chest in the video... I'm assuming Mira Kuru has some different properties in the comics?
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Mar 21, 2014 22:23
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Some Numbers posted:You're overthinking this. Wintergreen may have been called Deathstroke on the island, I don't know. e: although perhaps he wasn't wearing the mask at that particular point, as Waller knows he got arrowed through the eye but doesn't (apparently) recognize said mask.
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Mar 21, 2014 22:23
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Habibi posted:Also the same outfit Slade (presumably) wears in the last episode when spying on Arrow after his foils the bank robbery (which I presume Slade set up in the first place to draw him out), and the features the mask through the eye of which (again, presumably) Ollie arrowed him. quote:e: although perhaps he wasn't wearing the mask at that particular point, as Waller knows he got arrowed through the eye but doesn't (apparently) recognize said mask. She also might not know that Slade got an arrow to the eye.
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Mar 21, 2014 22:27
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Some Numbers posted:Right, but if you didn't know that Slade was Deathstroke, that scene would have a very different impact. Well, not really. It's not like they built up Deathstroke. You would already know Slade was the one watching Ollie and everything, because we've seen the outfit before. That scene just gave him a name.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:01
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Some Numbers posted:Right, but if you didn't know that Slade was Deathstroke, that scene would have a very different impact. quote:She also might not know that Slade got an arrow to the eye.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:03
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Comics knowledge is probably more important to follow the thread than the show, because there's an equal balance of things that are totally different too. But to sum up, Wintergreen is dead (and long enough before the Mirakuru to likely never come back) and the audience has seen Slade in his new Deathstroke suit (like killing all of Blood's flunkies) but Ollie hasn't yet. jscolon2.0 fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 23:11
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jscolon2.0 posted:Comics knowledge is probably more important to follow the thread than the show, because there's an equal balance if things that are totally different too. Ollie had his mask with an arrow through the right eye on the island, and found it again (original or not) on the rooftop Slade was watching him from. I'm not familiar with the comic versions of either GA or Deathstroke, but I thought it was entirely reasonable to conclude that Ollie knows exactly who wears that outfit.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:18
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Yup. Didn't mean that Ollie doesn't obviously know who it is (he's not Officer Lance  ). Just saying that Ollie didn't before this know that Slade is active and in costume, as an honest-to-goodness supervillain versus just showed up to kill him for personal reasons.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:24
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jscolon2.0 posted:Yup. Didn't mean that Ollie doesn't obviously know who it is (he's not Officer Lance Ah, okay. Yeah I would have to agree with that. I mean, until like a week ago he didn't even know Slade was still alive.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:31
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BreakAtmo posted:What happened was that they got together, but broke up during the break between seasons because Diggle's obsession with Deadshot drove a wedge between them. They probably just didn't want to bring the actress back to just to have the characters break up so Diggle could get with Lyla.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:40
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jscolon2.0 posted:Comics knowledge is probably more important to follow the thread than the show, because there's an equal balance if things that are totally different too. Are we 100% sure Wintergreen is dead? Because they brought Sarah and Slade back to life, and The Count was cured of insanity before subsequently dying.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:44
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He's been gone way too long and his part has basically been filled by Slade. Originally he was just around to fill in the Slade part while they were deciding what to do with the character.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:49
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Sara wasn't dead, Billy Wintergreen is dead.  Also, The Count was clearly insane until his death
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Mar 21, 2014 23:50
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Ravane posted:Are we 100% sure Wintergreen is dead? Because they brought Sarah and Slade back to life, and The Count was cured of insanity before subsequently dying. As the old saying about comics goes, "Nobody stays dead, except [character for whom this no longer true] and Uncle Ben." But since Arrow the show is more grounded, there's a difference in magnitude between 1.) didn't actually die at all, was rescued by a ship at sea 2.) revived seconds after death by a miracle drug & 3.) revived months later by a miracle drug
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Mar 21, 2014 23:55
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jscolon2.0 posted:As the old saying about comics goes, "Nobody stays dead, except [character for whom this no longer true] and Uncle Ben." Nah, I don't mean Slade dying from his burns. I mean his death from Oliver putting an arrow into his eye. It's mentioned at the introduction of Cyrus Gold and when Oliver comes back from the island in the pilot and says he's the only survivor (though that was proven a lie later on). We know that Slade was strong enough to live through Mira Kuru without barbiturates, and strong enough to live with an arrow in his head with Mira Kuru. But all we saw of Wintergreen was a brief clip of a knife through his eye. The same eye that Slade lost.  I'm just saying, that's a bit of a coincidence.
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Mar 22, 2014 00:15
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Billy Wintergreen wasn't exactly much of a character though. I don't think he even had any lines.
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Mar 22, 2014 00:17
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I like arrow but holy poo poo, mirakuru is the word "miracle" pronounced with Japanese syllables. Just loving call it the "miracle drug" already! gently caress! I can't get over this.
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Mar 22, 2014 00:21
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Ravane posted:The same eye that Slade lost. That was a misdirect. They had the guy looking and acting like the comic Deathstroke and had Slade stab him in the eye that the comic Deathstroke is missing. But now, Slade is the actual Deathstroke, so Wintergreen is just a dead ASUS merc. muscles like this? posted:Billy Wintergreen wasn't exactly much of a character though. I don't think he even had any lines. I think he had one line right before Slade killed him.
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Minus the drone stuff, that was a pretty fun episode of Arrow. Edit: I liked the Diggle backstory and I liked Deadshot. overtone fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Mar 22, 2014 |
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Mar 22, 2014 01:49
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As far as Deathstroke as a GA villain, a few years ago DC set up Slade to be Ollie's new arch nemesis. It started in Identity Crisis where Ollie stabbed Slade in his bad eye with an arrow. Then after the One Year Later Judd Winnick used Slade as the big bad for the bulk of his run.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:57
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Some Numbers posted:That was a misdirect. They had the guy looking and acting like the comic Deathstroke and had Slade stab him in the eye that the comic Deathstroke is missing. Oh. That makes sense. drat, I was hoping Wintergreen came back. I liked him. Some Numbers posted:I think he had one line right before Slade killed him. "Slade! Come back to die?"
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Rhyno posted:As far as Deathstroke as a GA villain, a few years ago DC set up Slade to be Ollie's new arch nemesis. It started in Identity Crisis where Ollie stabbed Slade in his bad eye with an arrow. Then after the One Year Later Judd Winnick used Slade as the big bad for the bulk of his run. And then it was Cupid for some reason. I hope the show stays away from her.
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