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PleasantDirge posted:My biggest question about RTR block control decks is why we never really saw an uptick in Sphinxes revelation's evil twin: Rakdos's Return. Is it really just U/W's natural inclination to go into the long game vs. R/B's inclination to run so few lands and its explosive but low volume of gas? I think this is a core reason, yeah - Rakdos Aggro just has other, better curve-toppers, like Exava or (maybe) Underworld Cerberus. Return being sorcery speed really sucks, too. Control gives up very little (if anything) to revelate, since tapping out on your opponent's end step is pretty safe. Rakdos probably has to use a turn to Return, and it could be developing the board at that point. That being said, I've seen a couple of Jund Monsters lists run Return as a one or two of, which I think is sorta neat. That list has lots of things to drop into the "costs a poo poo-ton" slot, but it also runs enough acceleration where it could really ruin someone's day. EDIT: Let us also never forget that Goon Favorite MURDERGOATS is also capable of running Return, since it plays for a longer game. The best game I ever had with the deck involved a control player Revelating for 6, passing the turn, then me Returning him for the same. Felt good. Boxman fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Esper Control Mirror in the SCG LA final. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Mar 23, 2014 17:05
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Burn and G/R Monsters get top 4 at SCG this weekend but we're about to have a real barn burner in the finals, Esper Control vs. UW (b sideboard). Sphinx's Revelation can't rotate fast enough.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:06
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Ugh. I like Sphinx's Rev because I use it to remain relevant as a Prophet Bant deck that constantly needs poo poo to flash into the battlefield but come on.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:21
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Why all the hate for Esper control? It's definitely not an easy archetype to play and it's way more entertaining to watch than the R/W "Hurp de durp watch me cast burn spells".
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Mar 23, 2014 17:23
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^^^ The games can be seen as boring. I personally enjoy them if its a competitive match and not just a blow out.PleasantDirge posted:This is the main source of my current frustrations with U/W/x. Control decks are always going to be a thing but when anyone who can fog a mirror can run one (deck construction and playing in this case) you get a rather stifling environment, or at least one that is very repetitive. My biggest question about RTR block control decks is why we never really saw an uptick in Sphinxes revelation's evil twin: Rakdos's Return. Is it really just U/W's natural inclination to go into the long game vs. R/B's inclination to run so few lands and its explosive but low volume of gas?
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Mar 23, 2014 17:26
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I think because its not fun to play against. Play a spell! Countered. Play a single powerful creature to lure a verdict, hero's downfall. Play a bunch of smaller creatures to avoid a snipe spell and get damage, verdict. Then it'll take a while for them to find their win condition and kill you. Granted, Esper vs Esper would be fun to watch.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:26
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PleasantDirge posted:This is the main source of my current frustrations with U/W/x. Control decks are always going to be a thing but when anyone who can fog a mirror can run one (deck construction and playing in this case) you get a rather stifling environment, or at least one that is very repetitive. My biggest question about RTR block control decks is why we never really saw an uptick in Sphinxes revelation's evil twin: Rakdos's Return. Is it really just U/W's natural inclination to go into the long game vs. R/B's inclination to run so few lands and its explosive but low volume of gas? An X spell that makes you discard is only good for when you have a decent amount of mana and your opponent has a decent amount of cards. That means playing a RB shell that has a long game and expects to see a lot of control. Also against control, you just will get countered so its fairly useless. Return is probably only useful when your X=3+ The goody trading post deck that goons are in love with could run it, its a sort of long game RB deck, but even so its not super useful when your opponent has just vomited out their threats. If it was uncounterable it would be a whole nother story.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:30
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PleasantDirge posted:This is the main source of my current frustrations with U/W/x. Control decks are always going to be a thing but when anyone who can fog a mirror can run one (deck construction and playing in this case) you get a rather stifling environment, or at least one that is very repetitive. My biggest question about RTR block control decks is why we never really saw an uptick in Sphinxes revelation's evil twin: Rakdos's Return. Is it really just U/W's natural inclination to go into the long game vs. R/B's inclination to run so few lands and its explosive but low volume of gas?
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Mar 23, 2014 17:34
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Deckit posted:I think because its not fun to play against. Play a spell! Countered. Play a single powerful creature to lure a verdict, hero's downfall. Play a bunch of smaller creatures to avoid a snipe spell and get damage, verdict. Then it'll take a while for them to find their win condition and kill you. It's a pretty interesting matchup. There is still one game left (it's streaming live on SCG Twitch stream).
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Mar 23, 2014 17:35
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Sick of watching the GP? Come watch me continue to not pay for cube drafts instead! http://www.twitch.tv/tweeternal_witness
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Mar 23, 2014 17:40
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Oh my god, this Esper Mirror. Revelation, Notion Thief, Gainsay, Syncopate, Notion Thief hits the board.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:59
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morning wood posted:It's a pretty interesting matchup. There is still one game left (it's streaming live on SCG Twitch stream). Bwwahaha. Gain Say against Notion Thief was countered by a top-decked Syncopate for 1. Bwwwahahah.
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Mar 23, 2014 18:00
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Boxn posted:I'd like to see a card like that in an Un-set. Quit Hitting Yourself!  Was secret tech vs. Phyrexian Obliterator back in that standard.
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Mar 23, 2014 18:02
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Watching Efro lose never stops being funny. Such a poor loser.
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Mar 23, 2014 18:10
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gently caress yes, Std Dredge might just be in the top 8 of GP Cincinnati. Looks like Ari Lax taking it all the way! Conley gonna be the proudest poppa deck builder if Ari can win it all.
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Mar 23, 2014 18:43
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Korak posted:gently caress yes, Std Dredge might just be in the top 8 of GP Cincinnati. Looks like Ari Lax taking it all the way! Conley gonna be the proudest poppa deck builder if Ari can win it all. Haha, I was just sitting here thinking about finishing that list to fiddle with. I need to pick up herald of torments.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:03
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Black Aggro in contention for top 8 also. Lot of black/x this weekend for Cincinnati. SCG seemed to have a good mix of decks.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:04
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Anyone have Efro's list available?
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Mar 23, 2014 19:07
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^^^ Not yet but it seemed stock Rakdos Midrange except he took the pack rats out. There's a list running around that has just 1 packrat in the mainboard so I'm guessing EFro used that as launching point. Holy poo poo Kiora + Courser in the Bant Control shell doing some insane things. Did Dean Bilz figure out the deck list to crush the control mirror matches? ONE MORE TURN. gently caress. What a crazy last game to go to a draw with. Korak fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 19:09
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Bant midrange deck tech coming up.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:20
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Look at all the stuff I need to get but can't because it's about 200 dollars. 
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Mar 23, 2014 19:24
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I think I'm short two sphinx's revs and one of each jace.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:27
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Where are you guys watching coverage of Cincinnati? All I'm seeing is SCG Legacy and Vienna.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:27
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What a Judas posted:Where are you guys watching coverage of Cincinnati? All I'm seeing is SCG Legacy and Vienna. Korak fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 19:28
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What a Judas posted:Where are you guys watching coverage of Cincinnati? All I'm seeing is SCG Legacy and Vienna. It's almost as if Wizards has a coverage page for their events that will tell you where the video coverage is. But yeah, if they're running two GPs with video, one will be the main twitch channel and the other will be on ggslive.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:33
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Thanks, guys, I didn't know that. I never check the coverage page. The main Magic site is a piece of dogshit.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:33
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Always just go to https://www.sideboard.com it will redirect to the coverage site and let you bypass all the other nonsense. Coincidentally that is also how you can spot old magic players set in their ways, they will have bookmarks for sideboard.com or still just use the url directly since that used to be the old main url before dailymtg.com became a thing.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:I think I'm short two sphinx's revs and one of each jace. An Archangel, 3 Elspeths, and 3 Mutavaults.
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 I love how clueless commentators can be sometimes. "Looks like Jadine is about to die. Wait! She just dealt with everything on the board and reset the game." Then they're back to "She can't win."Everyone has been complaining how low quality the stream looks this weekend now we know why. "I did the set up this week." from Marshall. Korak fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 19:41
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Korak posted:
Yeah it's pretty sad. The SCG coverage is way better.
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Wow, that was an intense game 2.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:54
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Ari Lax looks like he's gonna crush that B/W guy. Come on Top 8!  "This whip won't be a big deal to brad because he's at 18 life." Uhhhh the reason whip is strong especially with ratchet bomb on 3 is because 1) You can't deal with it easily, 2) It means you must kill every creature twice, 3) on 7 mana a whipped back Pack Rat does sick things by making a copy that stays in play. Korak fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 20:01
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Korak posted:Ari Lax looks like he's gonna crush that B/W guy. Come on Top 8! loving Sphinx's Revelation, man. Edit: Ari Lax! Nooo! Well, several people from where I went to school and still have a lot of friends are in top 8, including the guy playing that sick Bant List. Rogue 7 fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 20:06
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I'm loving Black Aggro guy's deck tech. "Thank you man you were almost there!"
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Mar 23, 2014 20:12
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Jeff Pyka, Jared Boettcher, Clyde Martin, Bradford Grant, Brad Nelson, Kyle Boggemes, Jacob Maynard, Auston Tramper as the top 8. Tremendous amount of black I think in this top 8. At least one Hexproof deck made it all the way. Going to crush it? Ugh it just hit me Hexproof staples are gonna go up from all the dumb copy cat "speculators." Korak fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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Mar 23, 2014 20:31
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Yay, Ari Lax has a deck tech with his list up on youtube, which is pretty much the accepted current Dredge list I've been finding around. His sideboard options are interesting, I never thought about having an Ooze for the rare chance you'd be facing the mirror.
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Mar 23, 2014 20:45
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...Well, Forecast is a mechanic I never knew existed until Hatch just showed it on stream just now.
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Mar 23, 2014 20:49
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Wow, I like this weird blue deck on the scg stream. So many cards I've never seen before.
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This is the best legacy match ever.
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