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Dead Reckoning posted:It's manuverable compared to the F-4 Phantom (IROC Camaro of fighters) but the game has changed significantly since then. Was the helicopter on the ground? 
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Dead Reckoning posted:It's manuverable compared to the F-4 Phantom (IROC Camaro of fighters) but the game has changed significantly since then. Those people drive F-16s.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Most people don't really consider that "air-to-air." I guess, but I guarantee if a pointy-nosed jet had done it, they'd tout it as an air-to-air gun kill.
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Anytime an actual jet takes down a helicopter it's more of a seal clubbing than actual combat. The Atolls on Hinds and the Stingers on Apaches are wishful thinking more than anything else.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anytime an actual jet takes down a helicopter it's more of a seal clubbing than actual combat. The Atolls on Hinds and the Stingers on Apaches are wishful thinking more than anything else. Wasn't there an exercise in the 70s that ended up with the Air Force recommending that fighters just try to avoid engaging low-flying helicopters at all?
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anytime an actual jet takes down a helicopter it's more of a seal clubbing than actual combat. The Atolls on Hinds and the Stingers on Apaches are wishful thinking more than anything else. I thought those were intended for use against other helicopters, not fixed wing.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I thought those were intended for use against other helicopters, not fixed wing. Technically you can use them against fixed wing but I doubt that there's any actual examples of combat kills involving helicopter armament against fixed wing unless you look at Iran-Iraq war, and to be honest a lot of those kills are sketchy/unconfirmed.
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Vatek posted:Was the helicopter on the ground? Nope in flight. The maverick wouldn't lock on so he blasted it with that big rear end cannon.
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Hole Wolf posted:Wasn't there an exercise in the 70s that ended up with the Air Force recommending that fighters just try to avoid engaging low-flying helicopters at all? Yes, but radars are much better now for longer range engagements and look-down, and apparently the helicopters were doing a lot of camping in valleys waiting for jets they knew were coming. If they were out on real missions not waiting for some jet to roll in, they might not have done so well. I've watched a lot of force on force with jets and helicopters, and the jets pretty much dominate.
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jaegerx posted:Nope in flight. The maverick wouldn't lock on so he blasted it with that big rear end cannon. And that's why the USAF holds the patent on helicopter puree.
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Godholio posted:It also doesn't detail any air-to-air radar/missile details, so I'm inclined to read into that fact. Yes, it'll die. Yuuuuuuup. mlmp08 posted:I guess, but I guarantee if a pointy-nosed jet had done it, they'd tout it as an air-to-air gun kill. If the Mud Hen gets to claim the world's only GBU-10 air to air kill, the A-10 gets an air to air gun kill.
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mlmp08 posted:I guess, but I guarantee if a pointy-nosed jet had done it, they'd tout it as an air-to-air gun kill.
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What is the EF-111A kill considered? Maneuvering? Is that even official? "Opponent sucked and crashed" IT STILL COUNTS EF-111As rule(d), much like the EA-6B.
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They absolutely got credit for that. "They tried to kill us, and died trying. We're still alive." If anything, flying so well that an opponent was unable to help killing himself is the most baller way to claim an air-to-air victory.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I still want to see a chart comparing the energy-maneuver curves of a Mi-24 and a F-16. That reminds me. IIRC, the F-16 that shot down the Iranian UAV over Iraq tried to use guns and failed miserably, forcing him to switch to an AIM-9.
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I was just sad when I read the details that it wasn't something extra cool like they blasted them with EMF and caused their systems to go haywire or hacked their altimeter like the assholes in Die Hard 2 did.
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priznat posted:I was just sad when I read the details that it wasn't something extra cool like they blasted them with EMF and caused their systems to go haywire or hacked their altimeter like the assholes in Die Hard 2 did. Cause of crash: Gave us the Raspberry
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Snowdens Secret posted:Cause of crash: Gave us the Raspberry 
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Dead Reckoning posted:If anything, flying so well that an opponent was unable to help killing himself is the most baller way to claim an air-to-air victory. It is best to win without fighting
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mlmp08 posted:That reminds me. IIRC, the F-16 that shot down the Iranian UAV over Iraq tried to use guns and failed miserably, forcing him to switch to an AIM-9. You're military, right? The report into that incident is pretty interesting. priznat posted:I was just sad when I read the details that it wasn't something extra cool like they blasted them with EMF and caused their systems to go haywire or hacked their altimeter like the assholes in Die Hard 2 did. Altimeter problems? 
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Godholio posted:You're military, right? The report into that incident is pretty interesting. I am, and I remember that incident having hilarious unintended consequences in real time while I was downrange.
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Not as much as landing a GBU on a rotary
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priznat posted:"Opponent sucked and crashed" IT STILL COUNTS
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Cyrano4747 posted:Maneuver kills have counted since WW1 ...and in WW1 "maneuver" kills often included things like your opponent's totally inadequate oil system deciding to give up the ghost during a dogfight.
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Dead Reckoning posted:...and in WW1 "maneuver" kills often included things like your opponent's totally inadequate oil system deciding to give up the ghost during a dogfight. "Well if he hadn't been coming after me his engine wouldn't have seized up, now would it?"
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:"Well if he hadn't been coming after me his engine wouldn't have seized up, now would it?" Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Mar 23, 2014 |
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That is a great article.
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Got some OK shots of the Blue Angels today. First air show since sequestration.    Need to dig through the rest to see what else came out.
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jaegerx posted:That is a great article.  This is both amazing and terrifying, what an incredible picture 
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Mortabis posted:That's one stealthy airplane! Heh, it's not that good in the rain.
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Plinkey posted:Got some OK shots of the Blue Angels today. First air show since sequestration. Nope, that was El Centro.    
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There was also this super cool (to me at least) P4Y-2 Privateer survivor on static display:
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StandardVC10 posted:Nope, that was El Centro.  NBC Nightly News failed me
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Mortabis posted:That's one stealthy airplane! My father took me to this airshow at Langley AFB in the late 80s not too long after the F-117 had been declassified. The plane never made it to the airshow due to 'unforeseen circumstances,' but there was an spot in the static display area that was gated off by those metal fence sections. The joke was that the F-117 *was* there...it was just too stealthy to be seen. Other fun from that day - goading some Oceana F-14 and Langley F-15 pilots via questions I already knew the answer to into getting into a pissing contest which resulted in them inadvertently teaching an eight year old some fun new words. Organizer's fault for putting them so close together, I guess. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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http://www.museumofflight.org/aircraft/wonder-womans-invisible-plane
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You know, you hear about US military personnel getting poo poo on, but no one really ever poo poo on their own soldiers (at least in the Western world) better than the Brits: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/0/20105140 Follow-up: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-17364359 The best thing? There's an existing precedent for compensating those injured in UK unconventional weapons tests, but they still told the above to gently caress off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Maddison#Second_inquest I guess the life lesson to learn is that if you're forced to take part in unsafe testing under orders, have the good decency to die as a result of it. It's just neater for all involved. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Wasn't there also a case where a Gurkha recipient of the VC was unable to enter the UK (or receive a UK pension, I can't remember which) a couple years back because he wasn't a UK citizen?
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