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Troll Bridgington posted:Did the Indian ocean try to rape the plane? Plape. But seriously, the press has to run out of steam eventually. How will Malaysian Airlines recover from this? Their stock is like 0.20 cents now.
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Herv posted:From a friend that flies for NorthWest: quote:In fact, a 2009 report from the Airplane Owners and Pilots Association said even newer ELTs successfully activate only about 82 percent of the time. The original generation of ELTs, which came out in 1973, had an activation rate of 25 percent, but that has improved over the decades. So, big ocean + sunken plane = good loving luck.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:32
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back in the day they made planes that would float so you could land in the ocean, but then they went away for some reaosn. I'm thinking it was so the airlines can save money when plane crashes are all swallowed by the watery abyss and they don't have to pay anyone's medical bills. on land a crashing plane just explodes into flames straight away, but that wouldn't work in the ocean so the airline industry has to disappear their accidents by some other method. that's my theory anyway
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Mar 25, 2014 06:35
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It works for garbage disposal companies.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:38
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Yeah, water is pretty much opaque to radio, so really any radio beacon is useless, even if it's waterproofed or whatever. That's why the black boxes have sound emitters, but those obviously have limited range.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:41
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:on land a crashing plane just explodes into flames straight away, but that wouldn't work in the ocean so the airline industry has to disappear their accidents by some other method. if i recall correctly, they 'recently' changed the formula of jet fuel so it's more gel-like than a liquid, so it doesn't splash all over the place in case of a crash (assuming the pilots dump it). richard branson just invented jet fuel with half the carbon emission; who knows what that crazy billionare will get into next? hopefully withing our lifetimes our generous feudal capitalist lords will give us the non-crashing plane.
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Mar 25, 2014 06:48
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gradenko_2000 posted:The likely scenario is that there was an on board fire, the pilots turned the plane southwest to head back to Malaysia, and then the pilots became incapacitated and the plane just kept flying on
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Mar 25, 2014 07:24
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omgmofohomolol posted:if i recall correctly, they 'recently' changed the formula of jet fuel so it's more gel-like than a liquid, so it doesn't splash all over the place in case of a crash (assuming the pilots dump it). That's indeed the case, the formula was tested by NASA when they crashed a 720 in the 80s. It didn't really work then (took an hour for them to put out the flames) but it worked pretty well when Discovery crashed a 727 into Mexico in 2012. So well in fact that even with the entire cockpit sheared off the engines were still running fine until they killed it with some water from a fire truck into the intake. Zogo posted:How much damage would be done compared to that of a nuclear power plant meltdown as recently happened in Japan? Nuclear jets were so risky that even the Russians didn't bother with them. Nuclear rockets (NERVA) on the other hand were pretty dang viable and the only reason why there wasn't manned Mars missions in the 80s is Nixon didn't want to pay for it.
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Herv posted:From a friend that flies for NorthWest: Nah... I'm sure all the agencies and airlines ever look at are the things that are talked about on TV and nothing else, that's the only logical conclusion. They couldn't possibly follow some kind of protocol and look at the most obvious things first. So I was wondering about this: In GTA San Andreas, it's possible to just exit the jet plane in flight. Is that possibly what happened?
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flavor posted:So I was wondering about this: In GTA San Andreas, it's possible to just exit the jet plane in flight. Is that possibly what happened? Quick autopilot + not approx. 50-200 people on board to pry you off the door? ? ?
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Mar 25, 2014 08:08
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777s have doors that open by pivoting out and towards the nose of the plane. So even if you somehow don't have the differential pressure between the cabin and the outside of the plane sealing the door shut, I doubt anyone would have the strength required to open the door and DB Cooper their way off the plane.
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Party Plane Jones posted:...the 80s... I don't want to be flippant , or "SJW" as the kids say, 'cause I'm totally ignorant: but after reading a little about it do airlines really only have "crash-test dummy" tests every two decades or so? If true, if cars apparently have to go through them every year I'll be hoping for a new Ralph Nader Unsafe at Any Speed for our futuristic age. ETA: hopefully not the actual Nader because that guy's a dick.
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Mar 25, 2014 08:28
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Herv posted:From a friend that flies for NorthWest: If the transponder is under deep enough water you have to be directly on top of it to receive anything, deeper still and you may only get it by boat or sub. It only lasts for a month from what I remember.
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Mar 25, 2014 08:41
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omgmofohomolol posted:richard branson just invented jet fuel with half the carbon emission; who knows what that crazy billionare will get into next? Maybe he will find the plane!
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FADEtoBLACK posted:If the transponder is under deep enough water you have to be directly on top of it to receive anything, deeper still and you may only get it by boat or sub. It only lasts for a month from what I remember. Sometimes it's 45+ days, really depends on the circumstances. Given how loving dumb this whole situation has been, I'd say it's already dead or has been eaten by a whale.
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Mar 25, 2014 10:19
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This was a warning from Branson. switch to my new super fuel...or else
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Mar 25, 2014 10:20
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was Kareem Abdul Jabar flying the airplane ? if he was i hope they didn't serve the fish
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It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.
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Its an entirely different kind of flying.
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Elphiem posted:The biggest mystery is why they went to the southern Indian ocean. What was the motive in going there? 
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mstrkrft posted:Sometimes it's 45+ days, really depends on the circumstances. Given how loving dumb this whole situation has been, I'd say it's already dead or has been eaten by a whale. I figure an electric eel probably fried the memory chips in the depths of the ocean. Mmm....deep fried memory chips... *drool*
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One of the many pathetic things about this is that even if the black/orange box is found, there will only be the last two hours of voice communication because the system only keeps the last the hours of voice data. I.e. the fights between pilot and co-pilot and other interesting stuff is all deleted. I wonder if our civilization will some day advance to a point where we can record more than two hours of voice data. Also a pretty loving good point on previous page about the Formula 1, the GP of Kuala Lumpur is next weekend so they wanted to close this poo poo and move on stuff that's more fun and alive.
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Mar 25, 2014 13:23
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Bolivar posted:I wonder if our civilization will some day advance to a point where we can record more than two hours of voice data. Pretty sure the NSA has solved this.
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Mar 25, 2014 13:41
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Herv posted:From a friend that flies for NorthWest: Your friend is a moron! When you say, "flies for NorthWest" do you mean Kim and Kanye's kid?
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Mar 25, 2014 13:46
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Herv posted:From a friend that flies for NorthWest: Nah dude they totally haven't tried to see if the locator thing that activates on a crash got activated. Wicked sick idea. Could you tell me what route he flies, by the way?
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My friend's an astronaut, and he brought up a GREAT idea last night - have they considered looking for pieces of metal? Apparently when things crash they make a lot of those.
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Al Borland posted:Like the history channel would spend money on this. 
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the news this morning mentioned that the black box the plane would have only 2 more weeks of batter power left. they use volatile memory in the black boxes???
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The anger at Malaysia is unfair and frankly smells a bit racist. They were as unprepared for a major and complicated disaster as most countries would be, and they weren't in control of the data sources which appear to have solved the mystery. They did the right thing with the SMS to the relatives even though everyone including the media is keen to feed that into the bumbling Southeast Asian bureaucrats narrative. It was pretty disappointing that ABC Australia did that on their front page without bothering to mention that the officials did face to face and telephone briefings with all of the relatives they could contact before sending the SMS out. There are about 1000 relatives.
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/\ If this was Lufthansa or United airlines the media would be singing a totally different (non racist) tune.FogHelmut posted:the news this morning mentioned that the black box the plane would have only 2 more weeks of batter power left. Nope, the Air France black box was retrieved 2 years after the crash and they were able to get all the data off it. (flight data, cockpit recordings, etc.)
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Can't just be mocking general 3rd world incompetence, gotta be racism. What race are Malaysians, anyway? Chinese, or Japanese?
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FogHelmut posted:the news this morning mentioned that the black box the plane would have only 2 more weeks of batter power left.
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Sinjang posted:The anger at Malaysia is unfair and frankly smells a bit racist. Go cry about it to someone who cares, bitch.
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Blistex posted:/\ If this was Lufthansa or United airlines the media would be singing a totally different (non racist) tune. I'm not so certain everyone would be so keen to pounce on the fact that they'd sent a "no survivors" message by SMS (disregarding the fact that it was absolutely the responsible thing to do) if the narrative of Malaysian incompetence hadn't been pursued so doggedly over the last two weeks.
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Fallom posted:Can't just be mocking general 3rd world incompetence, gotta be racism. What race are Malaysians, anyway? Chinese, or Japanese? Malay is a race. What the gently caress, that's why it's called MALAYsia
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Mar 25, 2014 15:11
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Gotta love the media circus. It's been a loving shamble since the get-go.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Malay is a race. What the gently caress, that's why it's called MALAYsia So is that Chinese? Or Japanese?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Malay is a race. What the gently caress, that's why it's called MALAYsia Its why it was called Malaya.. the Malaysia is because Singapore became part of the country... and then left.
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omgmofohomolol posted:I don't want to be flippant , or "SJW" as the kids say, 'cause I'm totally ignorant: but after reading a little about it do airlines really only have "crash-test dummy" tests every two decades or so? If true, if cars apparently have to go through them every year I'll be hoping for a new Ralph Nader Unsafe at Any Speed for our futuristic age. No airlines do crash-test dummy tests with actual airplanes, they usually just do mockups of cabin sections with dummies to measure g-forces. You could probably do it now that some airframes aren't worth poo poo (the going rate for a MD-80 airframe that Allegiant pays is apparently $4 mil) but the ones used for testing so far are usually planes already out of service or years and years old. It's pretty expensive and takes years to setup and additional years to study the data. If anybody is actually positioned to attempt it regularly it's probably AMARC but they already have plenty of crash data on most of their planes (especially the C-5, hah) and the civilian planes (or nearest equivalent) they have are probably the 707 bed, which is pretty much 50 years old.
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