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Am I supposed to have a problem with them incinerating fetuses? They're just medical waste as they were never alive to begin with. Like what are they supposed to do with fetuses? It seems admitting that fetuses shouldn't be treated that way is tantamount to assigning some sort of personhood to the fetus.
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sweart gliwere posted:I've heard of a (severely depressed) religious person claiming they didn't pay taxes or buy insurance for a decade because "If God wanted me to, he would've told me" - it was like they gave up on life and attributed their troubles to lacking God's favor. This reminds me of my grandmother. She wouldn't even go to the grocery store to buy food unless she prayed first and God told her it was okay to do so. Her and my grandfather were slightly malnourished.
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Rosalind posted:Am I supposed to have a problem with them incinerating fetuses? They're just medical waste as they were never alive to begin with. Like what are they supposed to do with fetuses? It seems admitting that fetuses shouldn't be treated that way is tantamount to assigning some sort of personhood to the fetus. Yeah, sounds like a classic "gotcha".
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farfegnugent posted:I just got this gem from my mother: I agree, we should totally be able to tell people what they do with their bodies. That's why I support forcibly extracting people's kidneys for those who need organs. To do otherwise is murdering those poor people who depend on your organs to survive! We could even, like, create a database of people's blood types to quickly find matches and select from those at random. A sort of 'Selective Service', if you will.
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Mar 25, 2014 21:04
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I just saw this on Facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hWwfcsJXHM It's full of "CHEMICALS" and stuff. Is this poop, or am I the poop?
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Mar 25, 2014 21:06
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farfegnugent posted:I'm not sure why I'm so bothered by this one. Maybe it's because she knows I'm pro-choice and sent this only and specifically to me. That little dig at the end about "everyone who says we can't tell a woman what to do with her body" is really something else. Probbly because it's such a blatant lie, it rienforces the huge disconnect between your worldview and your mothers. You're the kind of person who would hear that and be suspicious, she instantly believes it and becomes outraged. I'm struggling with the same thing, my father has become a huge Beck dittohead in his older age. It's disturbing when we realized that the people who raised us may not be mentally sound anymore, if they ever were at all. e: Also if she doesn't bury her menstrual blood then she's also tossed 'babies' in the trash. But her perception is screaming healthy infants thrown into furnaces, not lumps of unique protohuman tissue. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 21:08
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farfegnugent posted:I just got this gem from my mother: Did she miss these parts of the article? quote:Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’ Chalk one up to government single-payer system for fixing a problem with due and proper urgency as soon as they became aware of said problem. quote:One of the country’s leading hospitals, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge, incinerated 797 babies below 13 weeks gestation at their own ‘waste to energy’ plant. The mothers were told the remains had been ‘cremated.’ Sounds like the privately operated facility incinerated more fetal remains for heat than the government operated facility did. Normally I wouldn't nitpick this sort of horseshit because it's lovely regardless, but given that she led in on how it's a "government single-payer system" it makes me inclined to believe she thinks this is a natural outcome of government healthcare and not something that a private operation could also do (and in this case did do).
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Mar 25, 2014 21:09
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What are they doing with the remains now then, just chucking them away? Burying them in a fun sized cemetery? Burning them in a way that isn't used to generate energy?
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Wanamingo posted:What are they doing with the remains now then, just chucking them away? Burying them in a fun sized cemetery? Burning them in a way that isn't used to generate energy? I assume the last one: they'd send them to an actual cremation site to be cremated and disposed of like other remains instead of being incinerated with medical waste. As far as I'm aware the process is pretty much the same if Wikipedia is to be believed: quote:The box containing the body is placed in the retort and incinerated at a temperature of 760 to 1150 °C (1400 to 2100 °F). During the cremation process, the greater portion of the body (especially the organs and other soft tissues) is vaporized and oxidized by the intense heat; gases released are discharged through the exhaust system. The process usually takes 90 minutes to two hours, with larger bodies taking longer time.[citation needed] I think it's a pretty murky moral grey area. If you are of the opinion that a miscarried fetus is no different than a burst appendix that was removed then there's not a problem really; if you're of the opinion that the miscarried fetus had a soul, I can see how you might be upset at the hospital not consulting you on what to do with the remains. Going forward they should probably err on the safe side and just ask any such patients to make informed consent on a method of disposal by cremation. For reference sake I have a distant relative who miscarried and the unborn had a name and they had a service and everything. No harm in respecting their views when it comes to their own bodies and not forcing actions on others. Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 21:26
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But babies are so...packed with fuel.
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Mar 25, 2014 21:26
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Mar 25, 2014 22:10
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I'm pretty sure they aren't burning medical waste to generate energy/heat, but are rather recapturing the heat created by running an incinerator. The incinerator itself runs at much hotter temperatures than any potential medical waste they would burn.
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Mar 25, 2014 22:42
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So to be a libertarian it is essential to think of yourself as somehow above normal human behaviors? See: rational actor, colorblindness.
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Mar 25, 2014 22:46
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That's a rather roundabout way for Ron Paul to announce that's he a collectivist now.
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Mar 25, 2014 22:50
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Not Groups! But what about Strong Borders ronpaul? Aren't those just arbitrary ways of dividing people into groups? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4XOJcrhT4
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Ah yes, the right conveniently discovers racism is wrong at the exact minute it stops being okay to use membership in a group as an excuse to oppress people they don't like the looks of and are asked to consider the effects their policies have on those groups instead 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I just saw this on Facebook: This is legit and the Chicago Tribune covered it extensively last year. Basically 30 years ago they started making furniture extremely flame retardant after a bunch of dropped cigarettes caused fires, but the flame retardant chemicals are toxic and people don't drop lit things on sofas enough to warrant it.
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Mar 25, 2014 23:15
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Content posted:These are only a Few of Obama's Acts: Who's ready for the impeachment hearings after the Republicans win back the Senate? 
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Mar 25, 2014 23:45
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The right magically started seeing people as individuals right when black Americans started organizing themselves for the purpose of promoting their economic and political rights. Blacks are the real racists for even thinking that they as a group have unique concerns, you see. It is no coincidence that the powerful are the most ardent promoters of individualism when collective action might upset the power balance.
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Mar 25, 2014 23:54
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I just saw this on Facebook: Sinbad's Sex Tape posted:This is legit and the Chicago Tribune covered it extensively last year. Basically 30 years ago they started making furniture extremely flame retardant after a bunch of dropped cigarettes caused fires, but the flame retardant chemicals are toxic and people don't drop lit things on sofas enough to warrant it. It's fearmongering as all hell. I have no idea if the actuarial evaluation of exposure versus fire harms reduction merits a policy change, but the raw rhetorical ladening of the trailer doesn't make me feel better. It looks like its claims are directly mapped to the Chicago Tribune article Sinbad's Sex Tape links. I can't read the article due to the paywall, but what I can glimpse of it is every bit as pointlessly scaremongering as the trailer. If the authors use the words "chemical" or "toxic" generically, then it's a safe bet they're not going to give you an honest discussion of the issue. The cancer correlation research looks similarly specious. Basically, there may well be something to this as an issue, but you should find another source apart from the documentary or the Chicago Tribune to learn about it. The EPA is publishing an environmental impact report soon- that would be a good place to start.
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Mar 26, 2014 00:58
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What is this about Michelle Obama banning U.S. press from her trip to china? A few people have mentioned it but when googled, it is shows right wing "news" sites.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:08
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I say burn all babies to generate energy. As soon as they're born they are tossed into a vacuum tube that leads to the rooftop incinerator. Wacky fact: the vacuum tube system actually consumes MORE energy than the incinerator produces!
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Mar 26, 2014 01:55
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 And that's where I gave up, because Frank and I have had a number of conversations before on the topic of racism and privilege, and she honestly believes that white people are the most oppressed race because it's okay to hate us.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:55
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:
The best response is historical context. Whiteface has rarely been used to make fun of or oppress white people, at least not on the scale that blackface has for black people.
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quote:We discuss this case study to the communist (progressive) mind and consider how hypocrisy and injustice are welcomed in dealing with both the 1st and 2nd Amendment. http://youtu.be/RzBkcUZnm-w
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Mar 26, 2014 03:22
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I think Nick Cannon in white face is pretty funny. It also doesn't have the same racist historical baggage that Black-face does so why it would be racist...hell I don't see it
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Dyz posted:The best response is historical context. Whiteface has rarely been used to make fun of or oppress white people, at least not on the scale that blackface has for black people.
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Mar 26, 2014 04:09
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Dyz posted:The best response is historical context. Whiteface has rarely been used to make fun of or oppress white people, at least not on the scale that blackface has for black people. I've tried that avenue before with the idea of minority scholarships, and she refused to accept that historical context is a thing. At least everyone else we were hanging out with disagreed.
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So, I get my parents' mail sometimes--they're in the process of relocating, so a good chunk of their "important" mail gets dropped at my place. I picked up this gem today. I edited it to remove their personal information, but otherwise, this is their Republican Platform Survey in all it's unedited, horribly skewed glory. I love how they can't even keep their section headings neutral. "Entitlement Spending"
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Mar 26, 2014 05:58
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My co-worker, a "republican" (upstate New Yorker who is actually a liberal but won't admit to not actually being a republican) who probably hasn't voted republican since I was born got one of these 2 years ago and brought it to work for fun. It was some fun reading. Given that she worked on republican campaigns in the 70s, I think seeing what they have become secretly kills here.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I think the anti-stem cell fervor came about because people think that non-embryonic bodies don't have stem cells, which is absurd. Adults have stem cells. They aren't always easy to find and aren't as good as embryonic stem cells but really, the rhetoric used by some of the far right was "stem cells only come from murdered babies, we must stop this!!!!" That may have been true at first but actually the anti-stem cell stuff was bolstered by talk of adult stem cells, because then the talking point became "Adult stem cells are much more potent than embryonic stem cells!" There were lists of all these wonderful things adult stem cells had done and therefore it's good to outlaw embryonic stem cells because they suck anyway.
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farfegnugent posted:I just got this gem from my mother: Real talk her, ask why she WANTS this to be true so bad. If need be, I guess, link to some David Wong and ask her what she thinks. Try not to fall into the trap of wanting to identify in contrast to what you hate, etc etc. Lemma fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Brazen Apothecary posted:So, I get my parents' mail sometimes--they're in the process of relocating, so a good chunk of their "important" mail gets dropped at my place. I picked up this gem today. I edited it to remove their personal information, but otherwise, this is their Republican Platform Survey in all it's unedited, horribly skewed glory. That's "begging for donations" lightly disguised as a survey. It's a pretty common tactic. They basically just throw the the survey results out because, as you noticed, it's completely worthless as a tool to measure anything. The survey works as a convenient way to remind the voter of all the horrible things the opposition is doing so that they're more receptive to the idea of sending money.
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ErIog posted:That's "begging for donations" lightly disguised as a survey. It's a pretty common tactic. They basically just throw the the survey results out because, as you noticed, it's completely worthless as a tool to measure anything. The survey works as a convenient way to remind the voter of all the horrible things the opposition is doing so that they're more receptive to the idea of sending money. Its results can also be selectively quoted back to the base as a sign of ideological coherence.
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VitalSigns posted:Ah yes, the right conveniently discovers racism is wrong at the exact minute it stops being okay to use membership in a group as an excuse to oppress people they don't like the looks of and are asked to consider the effects their policies have on those groups instead Oh no, the Right searched for years for the reason racism is wrong and they finally found it: Because the Left is racist. It's all part of their decades spanning "N-n-no YOU!!" campaign.
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Mar 26, 2014 13:47
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Call whoever posted that a socialist/commie for wanting to put the benefit of the group over the selfish greed of the individual.
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Thanks for voting for Reagan. Twice.
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