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RottenK posted:Well, Rift is still around and doing pretty well, AFAIK, so I think that if the devs don't gently caress up too much Wildstar can manage to not die too. Only after it went free to play, which happened because the subscriber base collapsed.
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I think they had a decent amount of subs when it went F2P.
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Mar 26, 2014 15:09
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They had a sustainable amount of subs, but swtor proved that you can make more money with f2p.
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Mar 26, 2014 15:36
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Eltoasto posted:They had a sustainable amount of subs, but swtor proved that you can make more money with f2p. LotRO was the first to prove this. Their big announcement of "We made three times as much revenue after going free-to-play" is the spark that set everything on fire. Microtransaction fire.  vvvvv Arzachel posted:I understand that big swooping canned animations with locked movement make it much easier to convey impact, but the combat in Tera felt really stiff and clunky for me. This, this is why I hated Tera's combat so much. It felt so goddamn slow and ponderous, and locking movement is just the worst. Even WoW's combat felt better because even a caster class can choose to move when they want to. Kerrzhe fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 15:45
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I understand that big swooping canned animations with locked movement make it much easier to convey impact, but the combat in Tera felt really stiff and clunky for me. I much prefer the combat in Wildstar and GW2 even though both could use a few frames of hitstop, maybe even on whiffs.
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Mar 26, 2014 15:45
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Arzachel posted:I understand that big swooping canned animations with locked movement make it much easier to convey impact, but the combat in Tera felt really stiff and clunky for me. I much prefer the combat in Wildstar and GW2 even though both could use a few frames of hitstop, maybe even on whiffs. thats not how hitstop works hitstop is there to convey impact when an attack hits an opponent. to both tell the player that the thing hit through "feel", and to give the idea that theres a physical thing blocking the path of the attack. it's basically a ghetto feedback system for how physics actually works. if a thing is in the way of your sword, your sword stops, or if you punch a dude, your fist isnt going to go through their face. hitstop is resistance in the most simplified format and a positive piece of feedback that also accompanies things like hit particles and sound effects and hit reels from the guy who gets hit. adding hitstop to a whiff does nothing to differentiate a hit from a whiff, which is what hitstop IS. maybe saying the animation needs tweaking so keyframes animate for longer for clarity/feel purposes is what you meant? i agree that hitstop definitely makes combat oriented games feel better, which WS does not have. i'm not sure how good it would look if you added extra frames of animation on keyframes on the condition they hit, but thats about the only way you could add hitstop to WS without changing the gameplay. it would probably be too resource intensive considering the release date. anime was right fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 15:49
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I just realized pre order beta access is still level capped to 17 so I guess I get to check out plenty of classes. I am not good at reading.
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Mar 26, 2014 15:58
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Arzachel posted:I understand that big swooping canned animations with locked movement make it much easier to convey impact, but the combat in Tera felt really stiff and clunky for me. I much prefer the combat in Wildstar and GW2 even though both could use a few frames of hitstop, maybe even on whiffs. The purpose is not only to convey impact. It is also to add a little bit of accountability to the choices that the player makes during combat. Constantly thinking about the timing of your attacks in order to deal the most damage while simultaneously minimizing the damage that your player takes makes combat feel a lot more strategic, meaningful, and ultimately more fun imo. I thought TERA did it very well at least with most of the classes. However, I do understand that not everyone enjoys this sort of thing. That's okay.
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:thats not how hitstop works Yeah, worded that poorly. I meant that I'd like to see hitstop and maybe a similar but less pronounced effect applied to whiffs too. Xavier434 posted:The purpose is not only to convey impact. It is also to add a little bit of accountability to the choices that the player makes during combat. Constantly thinking about the timing of your attacks in order to deal the most damage while simultaneously minimizing the damage that your player takes makes combat feel a lot more strategic, meaningful, and ultimately more fun imo. I thought TERA did it very well at least with most of the classes. I find that GCD, cast time and channeling skills accomplish the same thing without the stiffness.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:LotRO was the first to prove this. Their big announcement of "We made three times as much revenue after going free-to-play" is the spark that set everything on fire. Microtransaction fire. If a game has really good F2P offerings then people like me will spend ridiculous amounts of money. I've spent hundreds of dollars on Planetside 2 cosmetics because I can't help myself, and its definitely more than what they would have gotten otherwise.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:LotRO was the first to prove this. Their big announcement of "We made three times as much revenue after going free-to-play" is the spark that set everything on fire. Microtransaction fire. LOTRO definitely saw a big F2P spike in activity, however what happens when the population dwindles again is that they're stuck relying on increasingly overpriced store items to bring in money. The affect of this on LOTRO was that content has continued to decline in quality and they just did another round of layoffs.
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Eonwe posted:If a game has really good F2P offerings then people like me will spend ridiculous amounts of money. I've spent hundreds of dollars on Planetside 2 cosmetics because I can't help myself, and its definitely more than what they would have gotten otherwise. Yep. I've probably spent a lot more on Tanks and Rift (and even SWTOR) than I would have spent for subscription for the same time frame of playing those games.
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Eonwe posted:If a game has really good F2P offerings then people like me will spend ridiculous amounts of money. I've spent hundreds of dollars on Planetside 2 cosmetics because I can't help myself, and its definitely more than what they would have gotten otherwise. I haven't tried to deal with it but I feel like every time I look at SWTOR's F2P setup I assume it would just be easier to pay the subscription. Edit: Also guilty of dropping at least ~80 on Planetside for the first few months.
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Hey all, just realized there's been mixed messaging and wanted to make sure those of you who took advantage of this don't get screwed at launch: Green Man Gaming's is selling both EU and NA keys. If you bought a key through them because you wanted that sweet 20% off deal, make sure you buy the right region. Our CS guys can't do anything to fix you, you'll need to go through GMG if you bought the wrong region. Really sorry for all this confusion, we're still trying to sort out everything as quickly as possible and wanted to make sure this got out there quickly. EDIT: I am dumb and just made things more confusing. GMG is selling BOTH, just check which page you're on before you order. Pryce fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 20:59
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Pryce posted:Hey all, just realized there's been mixed messaging and wanted to make sure those of you who took advantage of this don't get screwed at launch: Well that explains all the germans when I was playing.
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Mar 26, 2014 21:00
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MuffinMan posted:Well that explains all the germans when I was playing. Nah, we don't have separate EU/NA realms yet. THAT's why you see a bunch of Germans right now.
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Pryce posted:Nah, we don't have separate EU/NA realms yet. THAT's why you see a bunch of Germans right now. So do you guys have this listed anywhere officially? I can't exactly link back to a post on the something awful forums. The item page and receipt from GMG clearly say (NA) so this is kind of awkward.
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Pryce posted:Hey all, just realized there's been mixed messaging and wanted to make sure those of you who took advantage of this don't get screwed at launch: Wow. What a PR nightmare that's going to be for Carbine when customers get told by support that they're SOL. I was about to pull the trigger this morning before my 25% voucher expired. So glad I didn't.
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MuffinMan posted:So do you guys have this listed anywhere officially? I can't exactly link back to a post on the something awful forums. EDIT: I am dumb. So sorry. They sell both, just double check which you're purchasing before you buy it (it says NA or EU at the top of their page). Pryce fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 21:09
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EDIT: DOUBLE POST JESUS WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME TODAY
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Mar 26, 2014 21:12
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I bought it directly from the NCSoft site, do activate the key now or wait until release?
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Sweet, now get my account beta-level cap removed for giving me a brief heart attack.
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MuffinMan posted:So do you guys have this listed anywhere officially? I can't exactly link back to a post on the something awful forums. For me it clearly says gently caress all other than the legal mention saying "copyright ncsoft europe" in the lower right corner of the page, and the fact that they charged me in €. I assume they use geolocalization based on your ip to figure out your region but they should state it explicitly to avoid any doubt. Pryce, I think the wildstar account page on the official site and on the ncsoft account page should explicitly says whether it's the EU or NA version, it would avoid a lot of headache.
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Pryce posted:EDIT: DOUBLE POST JESUS WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME TODAY Way to go Pryce, pre-order cancelled!!!
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Zlodo posted:
While they're at it they should also change the support site where the ticket submission form asks you to enter a 25 digit code, which almost gave me a heart attack since it wouldn't accept my 20 digit code and the reason I was writing in the first place was issues activating the code.
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The forums are just teaming with elitism. There was a thread asking for keyboard turning speed increase slider and basically the entire thread was "Quit playing the game wrong, we don't care if you have one hand." I understand they want to get the hardcore crowd with this game, but jesus. People telling people they're playing the game wrong when they only have one hand?!
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SlayVus posted:The forums are just teaming with elitism. There was a thread asking for keyboard turning speed increase slider and basically the entire thread was "Quit playing the game wrong, we don't care if you have one hand." Well it is a game targetted on the (poo poo)lords of 2005 era WoW raid scene...
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Arzachel posted:I find that GCD, cast time and channeling skills accomplish the same thing without the stiffness. There is a lot less player and combat design flexibility taking that approach. It is a very different experience even if some of the purposes are the same. Xavier434 fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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SlayVus posted:The forums are just teaming with elitism. There was a thread asking for keyboard turning speed increase slider and basically the entire thread was "Quit playing the game wrong, we don't care if you have one hand." If he were a dedicated hardcore gamer he never would have lost that hand. He needs to go play with the other casuals. 
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Mar 27, 2014 14:29
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The forums same to have the same awful tone of every other MMO forum I've ever read.
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Why would people even be lovely about that? Sure it's not going to be a priority for 95% of players, but it's not like carbine would have to divert their entire raid team to implementing that or anything. Also The forums seemed pretty civil when they were private.
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Deki posted:Also The forums seemed pretty civil when they were private. Uh...they were definitely not. I stopped posting feedback because I was called something in the vein of a filthy idiot casual on multiple occasions. This game's community is foul.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Uh...they were definitely not. I stopped posting feedback because I was called something in the vein of a filthy idiot casual on multiple occasions. Be honest. It's quite disingenuous to state it that way. ALL game communities are foul. Even the GW2 public forums are rife with this kind of poo poo. In my opinion, havnig a poo poo community on the forums does not effect my enjoyment of the game itself. I know for a fact that we often point and laugh at some sperglord's 10 page diatribe about Scarlet Briar or how he can relate to Logan's friendzone situation with the queen, or even how the game is going down in flames ever since they added server transfers for pvp that ruined his precious jewel of a server by allowing all the pubbies to switch over to the server he rightfully switched over to WEEKS ago!
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I really wish I could have somehow not heard about the 40 man raiding in this game and maybe I'd still have a small amount of hope that it wasn't going to turn into a shitheap of insufferable aspies.
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Wet Fifty posted:Be honest. It's quite disingenuous to state it that way. ALL game communities are foul. Even the GW2 public forums are rife with this kind of poo poo. In my opinion, havnig a poo poo community on the forums does not effect my enjoyment of the game itself. I know for a fact that we often point and laugh at some sperglord's 10 page diatribe about Scarlet Briar or how he can relate to Logan's friendzone situation with the queen, or even how the game is going down in flames ever since they added server transfers for pvp that ruined his precious jewel of a server by allowing all the pubbies to switch over to the server he rightfully switched over to WEEKS ago! What? I am being honest? And I never mentioned other games communities, I'm talking about this one.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What? I am being honest? And I never mentioned other games communities, I'm talking about this one. Sorry, it just came off as "This game's community is foul." as This game is the only community this bad. But that is entirely me reading too much into it. Sorry. You're fat.
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Wet Fifty posted:Sorry, it just came off as "This game's community is foul." as This game is the only community this bad. But that is entirely me reading too much into it. Sorry. Oh god no, most game communities are foul, I just had a lovely experience in this one especially over the last 10 months. I usually avoid pubbie communities, but didn't have a choice for this beta 
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CLAM DOWN posted:Oh god no, most game communities are foul, I just had a lovely experience in this one especially over the last 10 months. I usually avoid pubbie communities, but didn't have a choice for this beta When I was on this weekend everyone was pretty nice v  v
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All games have poo poo forums. The only thing that matters is how often the devs post there, and how open they are about what's going on. Rift was really good about this, and Path of exile too.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:All games have poo poo forums. The only thing that matters is how often the devs post there, and how open they are about what's going on. Rift was really good about this, and Path of exile too. The irony here is that ever since official forums required linking in game account with forum profile, devs have had the ability to see how forum posts correlate with in game behavior: the most negative posters spend the most time/money on the game, which they rage so hard against
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