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BraveUlysses posted:Reverse googled it and found this: He also had a page praising its wonderful qualities, including the recirculating ball steering that ~*lesser models*~ didn't have.
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veedubfreak posted:What I like about this one is that eventually with enough slack, the chain will rub against itself. That's brilliant design. Yep. The tensioner actually seized in my white car after sitting for a few weeks, and it ran without throwing teeth or anything nasty despite the noise (although I immediately took it to the dealership.)
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Mar 25, 2014 18:34
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DJ Commie posted:They could never package anything without insane complexity. There's an indie mechanic near me, Ferrari trained, he works on lots of weird poo poo and normal poo poo. Alfas, Lancias, Saabs, Subarus. He flat out refuses to work on Audis.
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Mar 25, 2014 19:40
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The typical GM interior quality probably helped your track time, really, slam the doors a few times and all the panels fall off. Automatic weight reduction. (you can thank Super Aggro Crag for that one)
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Mar 25, 2014 20:03
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I never had an issue with the 3400 in my '02 Monte Carlo. Kept it ten and a half years with 122k on it then sold it to my neighbor. I loved my lightweight plastic interior. You won't see any ~200" long cars today weighing that little either.
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You're missing the point. Noone has an 'issue' with 3800's. It's been repeatedly said that they're bulletproof. The problem is that they also suck balls unless your single solitary expectation of an engine is that it won't break down. They have no other redeeming qualities.KozmoNaut posted:He also had a page praising its wonderful qualities, including the recirculating ball steering that ~*lesser models*~ didn't have. Incidentally, the reason for this was that the rack and pinion couldn't fit past the M62's bulk. The M60 that it was derived from was itself designed for the e32/34 cars, which had recirculating ball on all models.
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Mar 25, 2014 22:16
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Judging by Fuzzkill's Corolla, they take to boost pretty well.
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Fucknag posted:Judging by Fuzzkill's Corolla, they take to boost pretty well. They take boost supremely well, which is why they're a popular engine for budget dragsters.
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Mar 26, 2014 00:41
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 Like the bacon vinyl wrap I guess this would be funny for a week, but after that...
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surebet posted:
If it was any other color, and it matched up between the hood and bumper, I would have liked that. Edit: and if it was on the side skirt, too.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:49
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You really need to rock some sort of bull bar for that look to work.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:53
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Combine that with a track-suit and some aviators and you have the perfect Niko Bellic cosplay.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:54
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Ulfhednar posted:It came from tumblr
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Mar 26, 2014 03:31
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Kenshin posted:See, if that was for a sequential gearbox it would be awesome. That would have to be the world's strongest toggle switch.
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Mar 26, 2014 05:42
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Das Volk posted:That would have to be the world's strongest toggle switch.
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Mar 26, 2014 17:59
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Slavvy posted:You're missing the point. Noone has an 'issue' with 3800's. It's been repeatedly said that they're bulletproof. The problem is that they also suck balls unless your single solitary expectation of an engine is that it won't break down. They have no other redeeming qualities. Except for the fact that they take to boost extremely well and can make good horsepower/torque numbers for not much money.
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Fuelslt1 posted:Except for the fact that they take to boost extremely well and can make good horsepower/torque numbers for not much money. I think you can say that about most modern engines these days. The Falcon straight six can take 1000bhp with stock internals without batting an eyelid.
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I think slightly older cast iron engines take a shitload of boost better than modern all-alloy engines, but having never seen hard data either way that would just be conjecture. Lol if you think the falcon I6 is in any way, shape or form 'modern' though. As much as I like it, ford's been milking that twin-cam re-design for about a decade now. Also the cars that attain that kind of horsepower figure are never driven regularly, on the road or in competition, without winding the tuning back a bit. A handful of dyno runs isn't the same as having that kind of power useable in the real world. This is why all those 'Ferraris/lambos/veyrons are dumb you can make that power with a supra yo' arguments are idiotic.
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Slavvy posted:I think slightly older cast iron engines take a shitload of boost better than modern all-alloy engines, but having never seen hard data either way that would just be conjecture. Lol if you think the falcon I6 is in any way, shape or form 'modern' though. As much as I like it, ford's been milking that twin-cam re-design for about a decade now. Now I want to see what sort of numbers those hypercars could make if they turned everything up to 11 like the Supra guys do...
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Fucknag posted:Now I want to see what sort of numbers those hypercars could make if they turned everything up to 11 like the Supra guys do... Isn't that what the Veyron Super Sport and Venom GT and such are?
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Mar 27, 2014 00:37
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Look at the numbers people are getting out of modded GTRs and Lambos, Relative to displacement they're pretty crazy, even if they're not as high as what people can get out of a big block. Edit: For example, this 1700 hp GTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaYTqAaPD5w
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televiper posted:Isn't that what the Veyron Super Sport and Venom GT and such are? No - those still have to adhere to emissions regulations, which make them more impressive.
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The 3800 was a good engine for the US market in its time. It's redeeming qualities include googobs of torque off the line and it's ability to cruise on the highway at idle. Which meant provided good highway gas mileage and great passing response. On the other hand, it was a low tech, heavy lump of an engine that didn't like to rev beyond its torque curve, got so-so mileage around town, and could be difficult to work on depending on which engine bay it was shoehorned into. My family has owned several 3800s of various generations, and we haven't gotten less than 200k miles of service out of them with nothing but maintenance.
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Ulfhednar posted:It came from tumblr Getting this in reverse would be quite a feat. The reverse lockout on the FR-S is that black plastic ring under the sword. You have to pull it up to get it into the reverse position.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:19
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Mine you have to push down to get it into reverse, a sword would be fine for that. Hmm... I would be too embarrassed to have that in my car.
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SierraEchoBravo posted:Mine you have to push down to get it into reverse, a sword would be fine for that. Hmm... I would be too embarrassed to have that in my car. Could always be worse...  http://i.imgur.com/Sjs2okG.jpg.
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madeintaipei posted:Could always be worse... It looks like the gear lever only goes up about half the length of the dildo. So I guess the rest just flops around at any notion of lateral force?  I can only imagine if they used a giant purple horse dildo.
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I've made it a rule of mine to only seek out 3800s (usually in series I or LN3 form) whenever looking for cheap GM beaters. Maybe a 3.3-liter (closely related). Those engines usually last longer than the cars they're shoved in.animeliker posted:The Mitsubishi 3.0L V6 in the Chrysler Vans (and some other cars) is another example of a tough (but not good, uh, at all) engine. They start burn oil and ticking around 50,000km but will run for the next 300,000. Bizarrely, most of the 80s Chrysler Vans I see running around seem to all have that V6, despite the Mitsubishi engines generally bad reputation. It's been a while since I've seen any V6-powereed Mitsubishi, Mazda or Acura trail blue smoke. That used to be one of the hallmarks of owning a Japanese beater. Now it's just "JDM" body kits and these loving things: 
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DJ Commie posted:They could never package anything without insane complexity.  
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Goober Peas posted:The 3800 was a good engine for the US market in its time. It's redeeming qualities include googobs of torque off the line and it's ability to cruise on the highway at idle. Which meant provided good highway gas mileage and great passing response. You ain't kidding there. Mom had an Olds Intrigue with the 3800 - she was the 2nd owner (a cousin of mine was the original owner; her dad owned the dealer that sold the car when it was brand new, always dealer serviced from day one). The car itself was a massive pile of poo poo that constantly found new ways to break and empty her bank account, but 70 on the highway had it loping along not far above idle (definitely below 1500 RPM). It got much better highway mileage than the Avalon she has now (which has a 3.0), and had a shitload more power off the line. Actually, more usable power all around; the 1MZ-FE in the Avalon likes to be wound up a bit before it throws you back in the seat. Avalon's a bit heavier though.. That car's only redeeming quality was the engine. And even that was questionable at times, it shat out its first water pump before 40k (followed immediately by head gaskets, but that's more because she doesn't look at the dash until something is very obviously wrong, and when the "check gages" light came on, the temp gauge was pegged with nowhere to pull over for a few miles). The interior was completely falling apart when she traded it in at 50k (as in panels falling completely off every time you closed a door, ripped leather, headliner sagging, 2 windows wouldn't roll down, climate control panel was dying once again). Clear coat was already peeling too. I want to say it was a 99, can't remember for sure - but she traded it in late 2002 for her Avalon. The Intrigue broke constantly, but it was usually cheapish stuff (except for the ac compressor... followed by the blower motor... followed by the climate control panel.. followed by another blower motor.. followed by another climate control panel.. then, yup, you guessed it, another climate control panel... it was also fun when it threw the serpentine belt with 35k on a road trip), and most of the stuff that broke was just annoying instead of requiring a tow. The Avalon has seen a shop for repairs (outside of normal maintenance) 4 times in its life (one of those was warranty for a previous repair though); in addition to that I've done minor stuff on it twice (window regulator overextended and got stuck once; exterior door handle snapped off once). The only thing to ever sideline it is its appetite for batteries every 2.5 years; it's yet to see a tow truck. I've ridden in/driven tons of other W body GMs; I've never seen one that fell apart like the Intrigue. For that matter, my cousin has a 99 or 00 Impala (same chassis, but base model with the 3.4 V6 instead of the 3800) with close to 200k. His dad bought it brand new, then handed it down to him; it's never given them any real trouble, though it needed the LIM gaskets at one point (like every GM V6). My cousin was 16 when he got that car; 16 year olds aren't exactly gentle on their cars. I think he's... 24? 25? now, still drives it every day. It's been driven between Texas and Northern California (he lives just outside of Monterey) at least a couple of dozen times by now. GM build quality is just a little hit and miss 
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Today I had to work on a 2000 holden commodore with an LS1. It was a 'calais' model which means only the fanciest lovely leather, auto headlights, cruise control etc The headlight switch is a dial on the dashboard to the right of the steering column. I laughed aloud at the cliche GM-ness when I discovered that the transitions between switch positions are open circuit. So every time you go from lights off to park, from park to low and from low to auto, all the interior illumination very briefly flicks off before lighting back up again. You could even hold the switch in a halfway position and have all the instrument cluster completely dark. Never change GM
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Every car I've owned, including Honda, Acura, Nissan, Saturn, Chevy, Olds, Cadillac, and Ford, has been like that.  The lesson is don't hold the switch between positions?
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Rotary switches are generally designed to connect a common pole to exactly one of N contacts. If you completely eliminated the dead zones between detents you'd get a switch which created momentary shorts between adjacent contacts, which is Not A Good Thing.
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Everyday Lurker posted:I've made it a rule of mine to only seek out 3800s (usually in series I or LN3 form) whenever looking for cheap GM beaters. Maybe a 3.3-liter (closely related). Those engines usually last longer than the cars they're shoved in. You can still occasionally follow a 626 V6 or 3.2L Acura onto the freeway and remember the smell of the mid 2000s.
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BobHoward posted:Rotary switches are generally designed to connect a common pole to exactly one of N contacts. If you completely eliminated the dead zones between detents you'd get a switch which created momentary shorts between adjacent contacts, which is Not A Good Thing. This is true, but in general automotive usage there's no reason for a break-before-make, so many of them are make-before-break. In fact a lot of automotive switches are just custom stamped metal contact patterns molded into the back half of the switch and a set of spring loaded wipers that run along them on the rotor. The metal is stamped to shape with bridges connecting the different circuits for mechanical integrity, stuck into the mold, injection molded, then the bridges are cut to separate the circuits. Depending on how the design is done, certain sets of contacts and even certain individual positions on a certain pole of the switch can be either break before make or make before break.
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I'm going to guess this guy doesn't ever actually get to touch a woman he hasn't paid for
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A Melted Tarp posted:You can still occasionally follow a 626 V6 or 3.2L Acura onto the freeway and remember the smell of the mid 2000s. Is there any way to shorten this so it fits in the thread title?
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CommieGIR posted:I'm going to guess this guy doesn't ever actually get to touch a woman he hasn't paid for Probably still gets turned down, even hookers have standards.
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I don't think I've never seen/driven a car that loses its dash lights when going between headlight switch positions ( not that I've driven a huge range of cars, or really paid attention ). Tried it on mine this morning and there was no interruption between parking lights and headlights.
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