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I think Dark Ritual's gone forever. Besides that sort of mana acceleration being maybe too good, that ability seems to be firmly in red at this point (off the top of my head, I know there's a Kamigawa card that gives RRR for 1R).
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dokomoy posted:When they made that cycle did they view them as all equal in power level? No, that's why they tried to balance them with rarity. The expectation was that each player would spend about $30-50 on packs and just play with what they got, so if people got the occasional piece of power it wouldn't warp the game because it just wouldn't come up that often.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:44
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dokomoy posted:When they made that cycle did they view them as all equal in power level? Ancestral Recall was a rare, so they did recognize that it was the best. Back then you didn't have SCG or the Internet, so balancing stuff like Black Lotus around the fact that nobody would have more than one in their collection was a legitimate strategy. Also whoops for some reason I thought Recall had been reprinted in a Standard-legal format more recently than 2000. I guess I was thinking of Bolt being in 2013 and got confused. vOv fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 02:45
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vOv posted:My favorite fact about Lightning Bolt is that it's part of a cycle: pay 1 mana, get 3 of something. The white one, Healing Salve, is pretty bad. The blue one, Ancestral Recall, is bugfuck amazing and is widely considered one of the best cards ever printed. The black one, Dark Ritual, is really good, but as good as Recall, so they reprint it occasionally. Bolt's the red one; they bring it out when they need to bring down the power level of creatures. The green one, Giant Growth, is considered well-balanced and is in every core set except 2012 and 2013. Ritual hasn't been reprinted since 2000, at least as far as Constructed legality is concerned. Probably not coming back, especially since the Modern ban list has a couple of rituals on it. E: Also while we're talking about Ritual, best art right here and I won't hear otherwise- 
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Mar 27, 2014 02:45
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dokomoy posted:When they made that cycle did they view them as all equal in power level? I've read before that Richard new that some of the cards like moxen etc. were powerful, but they never envisioned people getting 4x of the power cards to make constructed decks. They figured most players would spend $30-50 on cards, and so in an average playgroup one or maybe two people would have one really good card. Basically they envisioned magic being played like sealed. In a sealed pool, 1 mox is not crazy.
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I don't think they had any concept of how powerful drawing cards was. There was a story of a group trying to decide what was better: weenies, medium creatures or fatties. Turns out it was just whatever deck drew more ancestral recalls ( a four of).
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Mar 27, 2014 02:49
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Snacksmaniac posted:I don't think they had any concept of how powerful drawing cards was. Recall was a rare while the other 4 were commons. They had some idea.
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C-Euro posted:Oh I didn't know Recall was a rare. Yeah, and all ABU rares are practically mythics because rarity distribution back then was all wonky. 74 commons, 95 uncommons, and 115 rares.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:54
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Snacksmaniac posted:I don't think they had any concept of how powerful drawing cards was. They had some inkling but it'd be a long time before it was anything like costed fairly.
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vOv posted:Also whoops for some reason I thought Recall had been reprinted in a Standard-legal format more recently than 2000. I guess I was thinking of Bolt being in 2013 and got confused. Bolt wasn't in 2013, its last printing was M11.
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Nissir posted:How the hell have I never heard of the VS CCG? I don't think I have even ever seen it in a gaming store, and I have seen unopended Garbage Pail kids cards sitting next to uncracked X-Files stuff in the last week Because you lived in a deprived area. It was great because it was basically UDE going all out on a new game funded by YuGiOh profits. I was pissed when they just let it die. But shortly after, they lost the rights to print YGO, so it probably wasn't going to last long, anyway. The prize structures for the tournaments were absolutely insane. I still have my two cases of cards including extended art promos for basically everything Mutant set and prior. I even use my Hellboy life wheels to keep track of life during FNM. It's always cool when a random guy shows up and goes "  Oh poo poo! VS!" Then we  and lament playing Theros draft together.
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C-Euro posted:Ritual hasn't been reprinted since 2000, at least as far as Constructed legality is concerned. Probably not coming back, especially since the Modern ban list has a couple of rituals on it. Uh no.  
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Mar 27, 2014 03:47
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Guay Dark Ritual best Dark Ritual.
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Mar 27, 2014 04:08
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The Tempest Dark Ritual art is the best, wrap it up folks. e: lol just realized the first one posted is Urza's Saga. The power level of that block is absolutely bonkers
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Mar 27, 2014 04:25
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Samael posted:Uh no. I'm always so tempted to get these until I remember that nobody will see them for more than a fraction of a second until I blow my load with tendrils. So pretty, though.
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Mar 27, 2014 04:30
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Richard Garfield has literally said that his original plan for Magic was that if Magic ever got popular enough that people would own more than 1 piece of power in their entire collection that Wizards would be raking in so much money that they'd have the resources to take care of it. That's why certain Alpha cards are so overpowered.
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Ultima66 posted:Richard Garfield has literally said that his original plan for Magic was that if Magic ever got popular enough that people would own more than 1 piece of power in their entire collection that Wizards would be raking in so much money that they'd have the resources to take care of it. That's why certain Alpha cards are so overpowered. I'm imagining roving gangs of thugs in pointy hats going "That's a nice set of Lotuses ya got there, pal. Why don't ya let us hold onto 'em for safekeeping?"
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Mar 27, 2014 04:50
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I will always love the Ice Age Dark Ritual.
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Mar 27, 2014 05:10
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jassi007 posted:I've read before that Richard new that some of the cards like moxen etc. were powerful, but they never envisioned people getting 4x of the power cards to make constructed decks. They figured most players would spend $30-50 on cards, and so in an average playgroup one or maybe two people would have one really good card. Basically they envisioned magic being played like sealed. In a sealed pool, 1 mox is not crazy. Cards were originally not limited to 4 per deck. C-Euro posted:E: Also while we're talking about Ritual, best art right here and I won't hear otherwise- You could not be more wrong if you tried. 
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Mar 27, 2014 05:23
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AgentSythe posted:The Tempest Dark Ritual art is the best, wrap it up folks. It's actually a really fun limited format, even if black is the best color (mainly because Pestilence and Corrupt were both common). Toshimo posted:Cards were originally not limited to 4 per deck. Yup. I cherish my memories of the 10x Taiga, 30x Kird Ape deck.
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Mar 27, 2014 05:34
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Hey guys, I'm pretty sure all Dark Ritual art owns.  What now?
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Mar 27, 2014 05:47
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Argue like a pedant or 
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Mar 27, 2014 05:57
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bhsman posted:Hey guys, I'm pretty sure all Dark Ritual art owns. And yet... 
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Mar 27, 2014 06:00
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Lightning Strike: death knell of the Lightning Bolt or no?
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Mar 27, 2014 06:32
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First Bass posted:Lightning Strike: death knell of the Lightning Bolt or no?
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Mar 27, 2014 06:40
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Bring back fireblast.
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Mar 27, 2014 08:54
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Toshimo posted:And yet... ...what the hell is even being depicted here?
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Mar 27, 2014 13:40
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Toshimo posted:And yet... Not seeing the problem?
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:...what the hell is even being depicted here?
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Mar 27, 2014 14:04
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Toshimo posted:And yet... Guy looks like the skull kid from Majora's Mask, the art owns.
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Mar 27, 2014 14:24
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Other possible interpretation is a really spiky Metroid.
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Mar 27, 2014 14:25
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Has anyone seen the BW Midgrange list that BBD ran at Cincinnati last weekend somewhere? Or will I need to get SCG premium? I saw a video of him playing a BW deck against Vanmeter a week or so back but I'd like to know if he's made changes, since that list influenced me into taking Brimaz in my own deck.
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Mar 27, 2014 14:25
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:...what the hell is even being depicted here? A very dark ritual
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PSA: Within 15 miles of the center of town, Baltimore has 20 (Twenty) stores at FNM level or higher, most of which stock singles. This doesn't even count the stores around DC that are 45 minutes or less away. Welcome to the Wizard Poker Mecca.
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Toshimo posted:PSA: Within 15 miles of the center of town, Baltimore has 20 (Twenty) stores at FNM level or higher, most of which stock singles. If you are feeling froggy you can hit up dream wizards (will always be my flgs no matter where I am) they have some really skilled players and a very competitive environment if that is your thing. The owner there is also really cool and if you; love cranky goths Doug is your guy. MD really is a wizard poker state.
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It's weird, whenever I picture Baltimore, I picture pretty much The Wire, so it's kind of strange to imagine that right next to that there's a bunch of people playing wizard poker with $3000 decks.
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PleasantDirge posted:If you are feeling froggy you can hit up dream wizards (will always be my flgs no matter where I am) they have some really skilled players and a very competitive environment if that is your thing. The owner there is also really cool and if you; love cranky goths Doug is your guy. MD really is a wizard poker state. This is a piece of poo poo store run by piece of poo poo people.
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Mar 27, 2014 15:08
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What a Judas posted:This is a piece of poo poo store run by piece of poo poo people. Do tell!
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What a Judas posted:This is a piece of poo poo store run by piece of poo poo people. This right here is the God's Honest Truth. I'd chop my own dick off before I went to that hellhole again.
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