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Wales Grey posted:馬鹿外人 According to Google translate, that is Chinese for Red Deer outsiders.
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Darth TNT posted:According to Google translate, that is Chinese for Red Deer outsiders. It's also Japanese kanji for "baka gaijin".
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Mar 27, 2014 09:20
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Roland Jones posted:I'm still baffled by that Fantasia thing; I didn't even know there was that in it, and yet they, in their attempts to assure us it's not a big deal, put so much focus on it that, well, yeah. Basically TVT dost protest too much re: Not being creeps. I do remember noticing it last time I watched Fantasia. It sort of is a big deal - only not because 'OMG BOOBS!', but in the sense that any really good artistic decision is a big deal. That whole sequence is wild and aggressive and full of imagination and it really doesn't pull any punches, especially considering it's family viewing. (I have a vivid memory of hiding under the cinema seat when I was a child.) The fact that the harpy is naked and her body isn't smoothed over like a Barbie doll has a kind of shock value, especially since she's just a brief glimpse like a screamer; it gives it a kind of rawness that adds to the horror. But then the whole piece is full of smart, shocking decisions like that. You could probably spend paragraphs talking about every shot. Focusing in on the norks is a bit ... well, TVTropes. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 09:28
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JosephWongKS posted:It's also Japanese kanji for "baka gaijin". I know, after it suggested Chinese I set it for Japanese which translates it to stupid foreigners which my anime conditioned mind instantly translates to baka gaijin. If I had taken a right on the internet I probably would have been on the TVtropes forums, instead I ended up here. 
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Mar 27, 2014 09:34
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Darth TNT posted:According to Google translate, that is Chinese for Red Deer outsiders. Makes sense, virtually all of Japan's Kanji symbols are derived from Chinese idiograms. The word "Kanji" literally means "Chinese Character(s)", as it's a combination of "Kan" (a mondergreen of "Han", as in 'Han Dynasty') and "Ji" (character/writing). As you may expect, some symbols don't mean the same things in each language. "馬鹿" is romanized as "mǎlů" in Chinese, but is romanized as "baka" in Japanese. The former means "Red Deer", while the latter means "idiot". Interestingly, "外人" is translated as "foreigner" in both languages. Can we see more of the hilariously bad conlang that troper vomited up for their fantasy heartbreaker? I love seeing idiots trying to be Tolkien.
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Mar 27, 2014 10:00
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Lottery of Babylon posted:You get indignant when people overlook the ~true art~ of your pedophile porn animes and dismiss them as pedophile porn animes, but on the same page you turn around when David Lynch comes up and say "Nah, this time they're right, there's really nothing here except fanservice"? Oh man, gently caress these guys. Mulholland Drive is one of the best movies I've ever seen and certainly better than all their animes combined.  sweeperbravo posted:I thought you were quoting a troper who was wondering why people bother to write stories at all. It's funny because it's true. Shwoo posted:The creepy obsession with Doug Walker continues. Should I even bother analyzing why his fans latch onto all the instances of him being abused/endangered/etc. as "fanservice"? ... Here's more from the rest of the P5's Eiken debate, which for some reason continued even after Fast Eddie said "gently caress that poo poo": Sabbo posted:That said, it's not worth being cut. Being poorly written and containing the most blatant yet there's-no-way-to-mistake-this-for-hentai fanservice I've ever seen (If boobs the size of beachballs isn't blatant, I don't know what is. :P) doesn't make this too obscene for our policies. Ahahahaha. So it's obviously perverted but at the same time not "too obscene" for their Family Fri-oh who are we kidding, for Google to once again pull their ad revenue. But the best part is that this troper thinks it was probably someone abusing the site's flagging system, not someone who legitimately thought the manga was creepy. Dark Confidant posted:Hmm. When The Fast One posted some snapshots of Eiken as his reason for the initial cut, I took the liberty to go through a handful of chapters. shimaspawn posted:I've seen it. I never want to see it again. I've tried to block most of it out of my memory. It may not be true porn, but it's obvious that the main goal of it is someone's arousal. It's just so bad at it... Again, their thought process is: It sexualises children, it's nonstop fanservice and it's universally regarded as terrible from an "artistic" standpoint but hey, there's no such thing as notability so we should keep it! Catbert posted:I wouldn't mind this being cut, but I'm mildly concerned that the "Heavy fanservice = Porn" line would be used as an argument against things like Strike Witches and Agent Aika, which could use some cleanup of the pages but are legit, non-pornographic works that I don't think we need to cut. Oh no, the witch-hunt has begun! Please spare my preferred anime porn!  Anime: Strike Witches posted:On first glance, Strike Witches appears as little more than a Fanservice-focused series. Anime: Agent Aika posted:Agent Aika (or AIKa) is both the Ultimate Panty Shot Vehicle and definitive proof that Most Writers Are Male. The discussion continues. I was going to keep quoting these creeps but this post is already long enough as it is so here's the gist: Tropers basically arguing for Eiken to be kept despite it being dogshit terrible, mainly on principle. They hilariously write about how the anime/manga is tasteless, horrible, worthless drivel, devoid of quality, the kid's version of an exploitation film, sexualizes underage teenagers/children, etc. BUT it's not literally hardcore porn so it should stay because they'd have to "bend the rules to get rid of it". Okay, two more quotes whining about how the P5 is going too far and then I'm done: Oroboro posted:I'm not familiar with the work in question in the slightest, but "This is crap" or "Nobody would miss it if it were gone" should never factor into the decision process whatsoever. animeg 3282 posted::O Huge boobs are softcore porn now. I'm going to let that sink in. Ninjasaurus fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 10:42
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Install Windows posted:نعم ما في وسعهم Eh, close enough (Google Translate gives it as "yes they can" but it's more like "yes what is in their capabilities"). Apple Tree posted:I do remember noticing it last time I watched Fantasia. It sort of is a big deal - only not because 'OMG BOOBS!', but in the sense that any really good artistic decision is a big deal. That whole sequence is wild and aggressive and full of imagination and it really doesn't pull any punches, especially considering it's family viewing. (I have a vivid memory of hiding under the cinema seat when I was a child.) The fact that the harpy is naked and her body isn't smoothed over like a Barbie doll has a kind of shock value, especially since she's just a brief glimpse like a screamer; it gives it a kind of rawness that adds to the horror. Surprised they didn't go on at length about the topless centaurettes or the animal transformation or the "furries" or whatever else they latched onto. The Fantasia page itself is comparatively not that bad. TVTropes posted:Getting Crap Past the Radar: See Explosive Breeder in the Fantasia 2000 section. And in the "Night On Bald Mountain" sequence, naked women can be seen several times — most blatantly in the form of three flickering flames. Of course, they're so artfully drawn that no actual naughty bits can be discerned, but it's the thought that counts. Naked women! Nipples!
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Mar 27, 2014 15:37
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Tardigrade posted:Naked women! Nipples! So do tropers stop and masturbate every time they see a naked woman anywhere. Like, were they watching True Detective, and then the HBO tits come out for ten seconds, and right that moment they have to whack it? Cause' that's what I'm getting from all this. I don't know how easy it is to find straight porn on the internet, but I'm pretty sure it's not hard, if gay porn is anything to go by. You'd think if they wanted to see breasts, it wouldn't be that hard to do. Maybe it would mellow them out a little bit, so that they didn't freak out every time their favorite harem anime showed tits on screen. E: Actually let's see what hey say about True Detective. Of course, to begin with: quote:Drop Dead Gorgeous: The initial victim, Dora Lange, is found naked. The detectives link the murder to a variety of other cases involving naked women. But hen, there are these ones, which just seem stupid as tropes: quote:Blatant Lies which just seem stupid in how generic they are. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 16:53
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Maybe it's not the tits themselves but talking about them that gets tropers off.
Gimnbo fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 16:57
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Take off safe search and google just about anything, you'll see some tits. It ain't hard. I really think it's just the "thrill" of seeing tits in something meant for children that gets them going. Or talking about them, like Gimnbo said.
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Mar 27, 2014 16:59
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"my fetish is small sideboobs seen briefly in children's entertainment, that's not weird"
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Mar 27, 2014 17:01
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Inspector Zenigata fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 17:05
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So this isn't weird or creepy or gross but it's just dumb and pointless. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/DarkSouls Fridge Stupidity posted:Have you wondered why the Bells Of Awakening are called that? Fridge Stupidity posted:At first, it seems to be just for dramatic effect or maybe metaphorical, like their ringing awakens you to your destiny. Fridge Stupidity posted:But no, they're just Frampt's wake-up call. 
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Mar 27, 2014 18:02
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While we're on that topic, guess what I found in their worldbuilding forum (always good for stupid poo poo): http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13953178420A34023300&page=0 I don't understand much of it, but it seems really dumb. The conlang thread there seems to have got some new posts, too. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13576925190A41280100&page=0 Go nuts, goons.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:13
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The only thing I don't understand is how it's an "antithesis" of Dark Souls. It literally seems exactly like Dark Souls with a few name changes.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:23
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Inspector Zenigata posted:MY fetish is the Deep Characterization and (literal) Elemental Powers that are in my favorite Harem Anime. Sure, there's SOME sexualization of children, but I assure you that I'm 100% in it for the Strong Characters. I've always wondered what kind of "Deep Characterization", "Deep Plot", and what not these anime fans are always chanting about. They never get into too much detail other than mentioning "It has plot and characterization, stop judging it!" If it did have some deep characterization or plot No it doesn't, then why is it covered in such pedoshit?. Is it because their fans are such jacking manbabies who think this is San Diego? Also, Kill La Kill A weeaboo posted:Troperiffic: Like you wouldn't believe. A Hot-Blooded loner who fights against an established rule to avenge her father along with her wacky best friend, and gains a rival who's her complete opposite in every way. And that's just the beginning of the series; as it continues, it pours on even more tropes on top of the ones already established. Considering the works the directors have previously worked on, this was more than likely intentional.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:33
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Byde posted:Also, Kill La Kill Even though I've read through several of these TVT threads, what you just quoted makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:51
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Ninjasaurus posted:Even though I've read through several of these TVT threads, what you just quoted makes no sense to me whatsoever. Basically, they have a lot of words for something that has a stupidly large amount of cliches, I think.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:55
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...do they seriously have an entry for "a TV show with multiple seasons has lots of things happen in it"? Because that's all I can parse out of that poo poo.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:59
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Inspector Zenigata fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 19:11
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Ninjasaurus posted:Even though I've read through several of these TVT threads, what you just quoted makes no sense to me whatsoever. That's why it's troperific!
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Mar 27, 2014 19:12
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SodomyGoat101 posted:Take off safe search and google just about anything, you'll see some tits. It ain't hard. I really think it's just the "thrill" of seeing tits in something meant for children that gets them going. Or talking about them, like Gimnbo said. I think this is correct. Going to actually look for blatant porn is too mundane for their tastes. The hidden porns that exist in the world all around us  AND PREVAILINGLY IN CHILDREN'S MEDIA are much more rewarding!!
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Mar 27, 2014 19:40
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Inspector Zenigata posted:MY fetish is the Deep Characterization and (literal) Elemental Powers that are in my favorite Harem Anime. Sure, there's SOME sexualization of children, but I assure you that I'm 100% in it for the Strong Characters.
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Mar 27, 2014 19:41
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Apple Tree posted:I do remember noticing it last time I watched Fantasia. It sort of is a big deal - only not because 'OMG BOOBS!', but in the sense that any really good artistic decision is a big deal. That whole sequence is wild and aggressive and full of imagination and it really doesn't pull any punches, especially considering it's family viewing. (I have a vivid memory of hiding under the cinema seat when I was a child.) The fact that the harpy is naked and her body isn't smoothed over like a Barbie doll has a kind of shock value, especially since she's just a brief glimpse like a screamer; it gives it a kind of rawness that adds to the horror. That's what I'm talking about, really. There are so many things to talk about, but TV Tropes always focuses on things like that. If it's creepy perv media, they talk about it and then try to assure us it's not as creepy as it sounds and is totally awesome. If it's not creepy perv media, they talk about those things anyway and focus on them disproportionately, like the above Spice & Wolf thing where they made it sound like some sort of porn anime in their attempts to assure us it wasn't. Or the Fantasia thing, where they seem to be operating under the assumption that everyone else only knows about it because of demon nipple. They can't not be creepy about these things, and it reveals a lot more about them than they intend.
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Mar 27, 2014 19:53
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quote:Considering the works the directors have previously worked on, this was more than likely intentional Take note, goons: this is how you construct a sentence.
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Mar 27, 2014 20:07
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Nerdy teenagers. That's the explanation for most questions in this thread.
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Mar 27, 2014 20:26
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So if you have a few minutes to kill and want to see how much this hellhole has changed check out the wayback machine. Ghost busters went from 8 tropes to more tropes then I was willing to count in three categories. A dedicated team of freaks diligently looking for a way to assign every trope to every work so they can finally rest.
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Mar 27, 2014 22:20
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Eryc Bwaune's base of operations is Bwaune Mansion; this gothic looking house seems out of place in the center of Mega-city, a three story Victorian mansion surrounded by towering skyscrapers made of glass and steel. Many new-comers assume this home was built centuries ago and the city then grew around it. The truth, however, is that Eryc purchased a large military R+D company, destroyed their main building, and built his mansion smack dab on the property in the center of Mega-City. Below the mansion is the original building's massive underground facilities that Eryc has turned into the Wraith-Cave. Eric Bwaune's suite, along with his private library and dojo, are all on the top floor. Maids have individual bedrooms (and a large, communal bathroom) on the second floor, and the ground floor has the kitchen, dining room, and other public areas. Game day: 1 Time: 6:00 AM Life (or something like it, for the mansion's undead residents) is stirring in the Bwaune Mansion. Breakfast must be cooked, the Master must be awoken, and an announcement made that will forever change life in the mansion (or at least, change it for the next few days). But even the Master doesn't know that the League of Darkness, the cult he abandoned in order to become Mega-City's Darkest Beacon of Hope (TM), is stirring; once more planning to be the Gallager's Hammer that smashes Mega-City to juicy red pulp and have their deadly murderous vengence upon Eryc Bwaune. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!! (Note: Six exclamation marks. Sure sign of deranged villainry. That or villainous derangery, I can't keep track.) OOC: Maids should begin in their bedrooms. If your character sleeps, you will be in your nightgowns or other sleeping outfits and should change before doing anything else. No roll needed to change clothes, but since the maids all share one communal bathroom, there may be some competition for who gets to use the shower first.
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Mar 27, 2014 22:23
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corn in the bible posted:communal bathroom
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corn in the bible posted:Eryc Bwaune's base of operations is Bwaune Mansion; this gothic looking house seems out of place in the center of Mega-city, a three story Victorian mansion surrounded by towering skyscrapers made of glass and steel. Many new-comers assume this home was built centuries ago and the city then grew around it. The truth, however, is that Eryc purchased a large military R+D company, destroyed their main building, and built his mansion smack dab on the property in the center of Mega-City. Below the mansion is the original building's massive underground facilities that Eryc has turned into the Wraith-Cave. Oh god, he even used an anagram of "Bruce Wayne" for the Batman rip-off's name.
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Stottie Kyek posted:Oh god, he even used an anagram of "Bruce Wayne" for the Batman rip-off's name. It's so forced too. Eric with a Y and a confusing to pronounce name like Bwaune. There's no care at all for the actual character, it's just someone pushing a reference in with all their might.
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Mar 28, 2014 00:21
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Bwaune sounds like a 4 year old with a speech impediment trying to say Brown. Spooky!
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Mar 28, 2014 00:24
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Sounds like the noise Harbinger makes in Mass Effect. BWAAAAAAAUUUUUUUNNNNNNNE
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Mar 28, 2014 00:49
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Sounds like Hank Hill yelling.
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Mar 28, 2014 00:49
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Sounds like Hank Hill yelling. Gat Dangit Bobbeh! Stop looking at that pornography and help me move the propane! "But Dad, this story about little girls turning into wolves has all this amazing characterization! It makes all the times you see them naked more poignant!" BWAAAAAHHHHHH
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Ninjasaurus posted:Should I even bother analyzing why his fans latch onto all the instances of him being abused/endangered/etc. as "fanservice"? The human brain is a weird thing. I once read an article about a dominatrix, one of whom's clients was into extreme humiliation as his kink. Specifically, he was black, and his particular thing was being racially degraded. You'd think that that sort of thing would be the last thing he'd want in his 'pleasure buttons' or whatever you want to call them, but somehow for him it had become a turn on. Our wiring can go into some very unusual places. With tropers though, again, I just think it's overstimulation. They've whacked off to porn so many times it's not doing it for them, they can't move on to the real thing because they're so socially screwed up, and they still have urges, so they start seeing porn in EVERYTHING, and it's a greater turn on because it's HIDDEN and FORBIDDEN and all that stuff.
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Has anybody who talks about these animes ever mentioned any specific examples of why these things are god's gift to storytelling and not just say "I dunno, it's deep, metaphor against fascism, it's dark and people die which is real-lifey even though real-life is secretly filled with the guys from V/Terminators/Thought Police/Illuminati/Bydo/Animorphs/etc while we basement dwellers are the real champions of human life and anyone sane is the real subhuman trash." EDIT: Also every anime argument ever from some site long ago: quote:Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete Byde fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Mar 28, 2014 01:31
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Byde posted:Has anybody who talks about these animes ever mentioned any specific examples of why these things are god's gift to storytelling and not just say "I dunno, it's deep, metaphor against fascism, it's dark and people die which is real-lifey even though real-life is secretly filled with the guys from V/Terminators/Thought Police/Illuminati/Bydo/Animorphs/etc while we basement dwellers are the real champions of human life and anyone sane is the real subhuman trash." I've never heard anyone say that. Except maybe /pol/
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Mar 28, 2014 01:32
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Also weeaboos tend to like Mario. It's whatever FPS is currently popular that they hate.
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I'm OK with "X is well written" when the person who likes X justifies why they feel that way, and it seems like a sane justification. From what I can tell people on TVTropes rarely actually do this.
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